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Also known as pwnin n00bs.
Git gud nub lmao ezpz
It would be really easy to simply ‘skill match’ players by the amount of time they’ve spent actively playing a live match of the game.
But that would do 2 things:
Make Pay2Win players exceedingly obvious
Make people who’ve been playing a long time but do infact just suck… it would make them very mad.
Oh! A third thing!
It would make it too obvious which games actually reward and encourage things like teamwork and coordination via well designed gameplay, and which do not.
Don’t yell ‘but smurfs!’ … come on, every big online game has you log in first, you think they can’t grab your MAC address and hardware ids with their anti-cheat?
Most competitive video games skill match players using a system based on ELO, which is basically just the number of games you have played vs the number you have won. But then they slightly tweak that to give a really bad player like 1 win outta every 10 games or so just to keep them from quitting.
It would also hurt their best customers while helping the people who only buy games on sale, which isn’t great for their bottom line.
What game are we talking? AFAIK some games’ matchmaking is just that bad.
Super Mario Wonder
It’s crazy out there
Play a game with a proper ELO system. You shouldn’t be in a game where the sweaties play against the noobs. That’s not fun for either person.
Sometimes people stay low because they are inconsistent, often because they have an attitude problem. It’s kind of ironic that people that rage against their teammates for being bad are actively causing their teammates to be bad.
There was an actual study that demonstrated, with data, that bad players are more likely to be misogynistic towards female players.
Relatedly, I would bet all the money I own that bad players are the most likely to scream at their teammates and make wild accusations about who’s ruining their game. That’s been my anecdotal experience playing MOBAs recently.
I see you also play Rocket League.
Games with elo matchmaking are rife with smurfs.
Meanwhile we had consistent lobbies of varied skills on Counter Strike decades ago. It let us build communities, weed out cheaters ourselves, and provided a far healthier social environment.
Sure that one dude on the server could actually 360 noscope you (sometimes) but you also had people who couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn still joining lobbies for years.
I have great memories of throwing together maps and even small mods for my buddy’s cs 1.6 server, what do 9 year olds have to do the equivalent today? Roblox? Minecraft isn’t exactly mod friendly, but I guess you can build stuff?
How is Minecraft not mod friendly, that’s like where most people I know started with mods
What do you mean Minecraft isn’t mod?friendly?
It has support for adding mods, but you have to know java to make mods for it, last I knew.
Okay yeah, that’s fair.
Minecraft has a dedicated mod menu on the title screen. What are you talking about
elo matchmaking
Is that like a speed dating event to the tune of Electric Light Orchestra?
Yeah, smurfs there would really kill the vibe…
i found your first match
No it’s a ratings system invented by Dr. Arpad Elo
During Covid I played planetside after trying it in 2018 briefly, then putting it up in 2024/25, the game gasping for air begging for daybreak to pull the plug allowing the sweet embrace of death to take it.
Anyways my point is it was pretty fun when I was into PvP games as there were so many people my skill level, the salty vets leading squads of dumbasses, and getting that
cheaplucky drop on the guy who’s been playing since 2012 felt so sweat. Basically I think mixed skill games are fun with the right conditionsuntil you get sniped by the heavy 400m away or an air to ground mosquito cus some vets need arbitrary number that doesn’t matter to them to up, holy shit are vet shitters capitalists
Yeah, I try, but unevitably the ELO just gets wider and wider as the game sheds players becsuse the devs refuse to hardware ban smurf cheaters.
How do you expect the noobs to learn? From other noobs?
Haha. Noob.
It’s Elo fyi, named after its inventor Dr. Arpad Elo
Look at this tryhard smacking down a poor guy on Lemmy!!!
P.s. just kidding, acting a interesting fact.
I see you have never played CS or rocket league before 😂
Either very clear smurfs or literally one team full of low silvers against the enemy team with 1 silver and the rest high gold or EMG full 5 man squad.
This is the main reason why I don’t pick up FPS games, even when they’re on a crazy sale. Back in the day, when they had proper campaigns, rather than barebones tutorials for online matches, I could at least enjoy working through a campaign at my own pace. Now that everything seems to be just about multiplayer, by the time the games get down to a price that seems reasonable for something I’ll only play on occasion, the only people left are the ones who seem bent on making a career out of playing that game. It’s just no fun, but there’s also no chance I’d be willing to drop the stupid amount of money those games cost at release to be able to play against others at my level.
Oh well, these days, I also haven’t really got time to be playing a bunch of games at once, so my limited gaming time goes towards other genres, anyway.
Most competitive multiplayer games are free nowadays: cs2, fortnite, apex, warzone, pubg, rainbow six siege are all free. You are not forced to buy any skins to be any better in the game. Unfortunately for the ones that haven’t gamed that much over the years, the skill level is insanely high in most. But there’s a thing called skill-based matchmaking in most anyways. Free games adds the downside of people smurfing/ cheating. But I would say most of those games try to combat it even though it ain’t easy to do that (except for cs2). Singleplayers from indie devs are king rn and usually the cost is around 30$, or just don’t buy on release and wait a year or 2 for insane price drops.
I don’t really understand the complaint tbh. The only game that fits your complaint is CoD multiplayer.
you feel bad because you had a shitty day
I feel bad because my life is worthless
we are not the same
I played Enlisted for a few hours a day up until last year. It stopped being fun when I realised I was getting frustrated at topping the scoreboard in most games because my perception was that my teammates were bad or weren’t trying hard enough. The problem was me playing too much and having end game gear which gave me a huge advantage.
I just stick to singleplayer games now.
I also have a personal rule against playing team-based multiplayer games - losing because the other team was more skilled was tolerable, but losing because half of my team was goofing around and not even trying to win (or winning because the other team was doing that) was just a frustrating waste of my time.
Just play offline ez
And this gentleman is how we get cheaters.
What a weird way to excuse cheaters
This is why I don’t play PVP games these days. Either I’m bad at it, so it’s not fun, or I start to get good enough that it starts to feel like a chore to keep up with the meta.
I mean yeah but it should match you with similarly skilled players so it doesn’t matter if you’re good or bad?
This whole thread is absolutely stupid. Going PvP probably brings out the dumbest, most obvious biases and insecurities out of people.
First like you say, literally all games today match you with similar players. So you’re going to roughly win 50%. So it doesn’t matter how good you are (except the literal best/worst), you’re always gonna lose and win the same amount.
Then also, if you are playing with someone that plays 10 hours a day, then either they are really bad for how much they play or you’re really good for how little you play. Either way, the match is fair again.
Then of course it literally doesn’t matter if you win or lose, games are about having fun, and you can have fun winning or losing. Coupled with the fact that you’re basically forced to lose 50% of the time, you better have fun losing, else why would you play a game that you just straight up don’t enjoy 50% of the time?
There’s literally no reason to “keep up with the meta”, it’s just an arbitrary excuse that “sounds reasonable”. You can play literally every PvP game without ever looking at what other people do, and still be good, or just not care if you’re not in idk, the top 10%. But people can’t handle it ego-wise if they’re not in the top 10%, so an excuse to not play at all is much less painful.
And if you bring up any of these points, it’s like politics, people don’t even listen to you because their mind is already made up or their ego prevents them, it’s useless.
All true, then they act like it’s a problem they dont olay their game. It’s video games it’s to waste time, if you dont play them literally nothing of value is lost, so play them or don’t it’s just not a big deal either way we have real problems in this world unfortunately
I mean I disagree with you there, I would say it is certainly a problem that they can’t play their games. Games are not meant to waste time, they’re meant to train real life skills, just in a lower stake, more approachable, abstract manner. And they actually do that really well (depending on the game), so if you can’t even play those, how are you expected to deal with all the stuff real life throws at you? If your ego keeps you from enjoying a simple game, what real things does your ego keep you from as well?
My dude, i love video games with a passion and i benefit greatly from having been a kid who mess with .ini files and making cracked software work, but the actual playing of video games does not train you for anything besides that particular genre of video games. If you aren’t having fun then just stop, maybe find a new game.
So you don’t think playing team games teaches you real life cooperation? That playing flight simulators teaches you about flight? Strategy games about multi tasking and resource management? Manager games about how to handle spreadsheets and optimization? Impostor style games about lying effectively?
Etc etc etc
The Finals is so fkn sweaty sometimes. But it is also so fun when my team is not getting deleted in 0.2 seconds.
I tried the Finals, for like 2 weeks… I just can’t with it. It’s too chaotic, weapon balance is non-existent, everyone is playing team deathmatch because maybe only 4 people in the whole lobby know what the objective is, and those 4 people are the sweatiest, nastiest, most toxic people in gaming. I have been in several matches and heard players yelling n-slurs like it was a 2006 CoD lobby.
I wanted to like it. The character customizer is super detailed with cool stuff… but the microtransaction economy of it sucks giant donkey balls. You’ll never make enough playing for free to buy anything more than some finger nail colors… and you’d have to take out a second mortgage to buy enough “points/coins/gold?” to buy all the things you want.
Basically, fuck everything about the Finals… neat concept ruined by a greedy model, toxic playerbase, shitty balancing, and confusing gameplay. That’s why the playercount is dogshit, and it’ll be yet another games-as-a-service shutdown within the next year.
EDIT: and shit, I forgot to mention the invisible OHK stabby bullshit that no one, in any FPS game finds fun.
It’s not for everyone.
It is a heavily chaotic game with an extremely high skill ceiling. Essentially a mix of overwatch and Battlefield. Overwatch, in that if you don’t play with your team, it is highly likely you will lose. Battlefield, in that you will die a lot until you learn the game flow.
I have been playing this game since launch and I can say it is fairly rare for me to run into players slinging slurs. Maybe it is just the server I am on. It is fairly common to see racist or bigoted usernames though.
By way of the cosmetics, they are all cosmetic. There are plenty of free earnable cosmetics if you play the game consistently. When compared to other live service micro transactions, their prices are VERY affordable for what you are getting. The cosmetic bundles you can get are able to be used as multiple pieces, (I.e. pants, shirt, head gear, shoes) and can be put on every class as opposed to one character. It is a free to play live service game, so it makes sense they need money to continue improving the game.
Most live service games, aside from Warframe, don’t really make improvements to the overall game as they get money from MTXs. The Finals has changed so much from what it launched as, and it has been less than 3 years.
It has it’s cons (Like the ai voices for two in game characters), but this is the best live service PVP FPS I, personally, have ever played when it comes to character customization, gun play, and developer dedication to improving the game.
Did the ruby grind 2 seasons in a row and burnt myself out of ever playing it again. Top 500 sweat is crazy.
I’ve been playing pokemon champions lately and you can really tell when the game decides not to match you against a bot because the difficulty goes from 0 - 100 instantly.
tbh I like the idea of populating the lower ranks of the game with bots, I wish the game would be honest about it instead of trying to hide it.
I don’t play online games anymore because of this type of experience.
just play 1 of the thousands of solo games. why tf would you play with sweaty jobless nerds
In no man’s sky. They just release a pokemans game mode they call xenoSomething. I had a weak little lvl 19, and decided to do the multiplayer and battled a team of 30s. My little lvl 19 beat 2 of this guy’s lvl 30s.
