• one_old_coder@piefed.social
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    4 months ago

    VB was a major pain in the ass, but why use some AI when you now can use Python, the most simple programming language on the planet?

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      4 months ago

      I think it saw A as the column header, assumed this was Hex, added everything up, and then converted back to Decimal and got 15, because off-by-one errors are unavoidable.

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        4 months ago

        There was no thinking, “assumptions”, addition, or conversions. It saw numbers and generated another number that hit it’s “this should go next” filter first.

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          4 months ago

          That’s very true, my comment was meant to be tongue in cheek but that may not have come across fully

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            All good. It’s just something I see a lot of people say without sarcasm or irony a lot, and I think it’s a dangerous assumption to have about these algorithms. The personification of them has been the biggest boon to the over-hyped adoption and investment they received these past years, so I generally make a point to clarify when I see it, if only to better inform those who might not realize.

        • o_oli@lemmy.world
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          4 months ago

          Yup…the comment above yours is giving copilot way too much credit lol. That shit needs to stay a 1000 miles away from Excel.

          Excel is already a global nightmare, with so many jank should be databases run on it, with AI on top…oh boy.

  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 months ago

    CoPilot already is a global financial crisis, in that it represents trillions of dollars of misallocated capital in the US AI craze.

  • Smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works
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    4 months ago

    Oh please can AI just fuck off for once and keep going? Surely this shit has to pop soon. Otherwise I’ll have to learn all about data center sabotage, and that seems like work.

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      4 months ago

      Otherwise I’ll have to learn all about data center sabotage, and that seems like work.

      Well, data centers usually have fairly tight security, so your first challenge is just getting access to it. There are five main approaches you could try:

      1. Infiltrate: Apply for datacenter jobs and try to get employee-level access to the facility. This is likely your best shot, but depending on your background, it may be difficult or impossible to achieve. It will also be extremely difficult to maintain your anonymity while doing this, so you’re very likely to be caught.

      2. Assault: Datacenter security is designed around keeping out a sneaky, lone, unarmed intruder. A rapid application of brute force and violence could probably break through security and gain access. But alarms will definitely be tripped, so you’ll likely only have a few minutes before police backup arrives.

      3. Long-Range Assault: Using drones, rockets, long-range rifles, artillery, trebuchets, whatever heavy weaponry you can get your hands on, attempt to damage the facility from long range, from well outside of its security perimeter. Unless you can get/build some very impressive weaponry, damage is likely to be limited and localized, but you could conceivably get away with it without getting caught if you ‘shoot and scoot’ and cover your traces well.

      4. Stealth: Try to find holes in its physical security and sneak through without being noticed (including by impersonating staff without actually getting hired). Since this is exactly what their security is designed to prevent, it will likely be the most challenging option, but it’s possible there are still vulnerabilities in their security that could be exploited. If you do manage to make it through, you could potentially cause a lot of damage and still manage to get away without being caught, so it’s a high risk/high reward strategy.

      5. Hacking: Instead of trying to get physical access to the datacenter, you could try to hack into it and gain electronic access. However, this is likely to still be fairly difficult unless you’re extremely skilled in hacking, and the damage you can do is limited because you won’t have much opportunity to cause hardware damage. This will (mostly) be limited to causing temporary outages before they restore from backup. (Though if you could manage to set off the fire suppression systems…)

      How exactly you actually go about damaging the datacenter’s systems will depend heavily on which method you’re using to gain access. Different methods open different possibilities.

      • Smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works
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        4 months ago

        I’m liking the idea of a grassroots terrestrial version of Rods From God: use utility poles (or sections thereof), launched from a pneumatic launcher hidden inside box trucks and/or trailers. Apply some good old kinetic energy to the right inputs/outputs/interconnections and we should be good.

        But it might even be easier than that - use augers to target the data lines. I will admit I’m not sure whether such lines are typically underground, but that should be a matter of public record, no?

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          If you can build the capability of launching a telephone pole that far, you could cause a lot more damage by launching an equal weight of explosives and/or incendiaries instead. If you’re going to the trouble of making a hidden pneumatic launcher in a box truck, you might as well make the payload as destructive as possible.

          But it might even be easier than that - use augers to target the data lines. I will admit I’m not sure whether such lines are typically underground, but that should be a matter of public record, no?

          Incoming power lines won’t be buried and will be easier targets. Especially the transformers – oil-cooled power transformers (as would be typical for that role) can easily be disabled by a single hit from a decently powerful rifle, which will punch a hole in the casing, allow the oil to leak out, and result in the transformer overheating and failing.

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            4 months ago

            Except I can get utility poles free, especially if I cut them down in the form of trees. 100% under the radar, unlike diesel and fertilizer, which will get you on a watchlist.

            I’d sooner go for the data centers that operate their own turbines or generators. They’re horrifically polluting, and that stuff is expensive as fuck. You take out a turbine, that’s a major bill and not an easy thing to replace.

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    4 months ago

    That’s exactly correct, assuming your sequence is numbers k such that phi(k) divides k+1, where phi is Euler’s totient function

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    4 months ago

    Well then maybe we shouldn’t have banked the entire global financial system on proprietary software from one of the shadiest corpos on earth, huh?

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    4 months ago

    I worked in finance for 14 years. If you think that AI is going to markedly decrease the accuracy of the Excel spreadsheets underpinning our financial system, then you’ve never seen those spreadsheets.

    I once saw a formula that ended in “+15”. Because that’s what it took to get it to balance. It was like that for years.

    And honestly I worked at one of the better banks, one of the ones that didn’t actually need to take the TARP loans.

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      There is almost always some sort of discrepancies in the figures. That’s why the auditors never say that the numbers are ”correct”, instead they ”present fairly, in all material respects, the financial position”.

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      I found that to be a turning point in my life after working a few years at a real job at a respectable place and realized holy shit even the big places are full of people that have no idea what they are doing and lots of stuff is just winging it. Its really scary when you realize it.

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        4 months ago

        I found it reassuring. It turns out winging mostly works! The systems still run in spite of flaws.

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      4 months ago

      And honestly I worked at one of the better banks, one of the ones that didn’t actually need to take the TARP loans.

      Any bank that didn’t take TARP was leaving free money on the table and was therefore a bad bank.

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        I said they didn’t need to take a TARP loan. They did take it.

        It was explained to me that this was because the government requested for them to take it, because it would help legitimize the program if all the banks took it.

        But it wasn’t free money. It was a loan that was paid back with interest. As much as I hate and disagree with the concept of “too big to fail”, the US government made a huge profit on the TARP program.

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          It was explained to me that this was because the government requested for them to take it, because it would help legitimize the program if all the banks took it.

          Sure. I’ve heard this line - “If everyone takes the loan, then nobody has a stigma for taking the loan”. But it was also an incredibly generous line of credit extended against assets that were trading at decade lows. That was part of the enticement to get more banks onboard.

          As much as I hate and disagree with the concept of “too big to fail”, the US government made a huge profit on the TARP program.

          They made a tiny gross profit off flipping equity off the post-'08 dip, booking $15.3 billion in surplus, as it earned $441.7 billion on the $426.4 billion invested.

          Although the Government arguably did not profit from the transaction considering that the program was funded by deficit spending, with an interest rate of between 2% to nearly 4% during 2008 to 2009. The cost to service the debt the Government incurred to fund the program would be at least $8 to $16+ billion a year.

          The Treasury could have made significantly more, if they’d traded the equity they held as collateral back at market rates. Finance stocks saw a 50-100% jump between the '08 lows and '10 recovery. Dividends on the preferred shares would have, similarly, produced a much bigger ROI. These loans were structured to be favorable to the businesses if they recovered and costly to the government if they followed the Lehman Bros crash out.

          But it wasn’t free money. It was a loan that was paid back with interest.

          It was a below-prime-rate loan with a number of debts written off as a loss, where the Treasury basically broke even.

          It also did nothing to provide relief for the home owners paying through the nose on double-digit sub-prime mortgage rates with property that was underwater. The end result was the 2010 Foreclosure Crisis during which banks lobbied state courts and legislatures to allow aggressive and often fraudulent repo of delinquent mortgages (many of which weren’t even delinquent, just bundled with other delinquent debts).

          So, plenty of scandal to go around for both the “bad” banks and the “good” ones.

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    4 months ago

    Me: opens a new Excel document, enters the number 7

    AI: here’s a summary of the contents of this cell: the number 7. It holds significance in several religion, is the number of days in one week, is a real number, and is a prime number.

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      cant wait for primes that are not real numbers to be discovered

      my guess is that it will have the form mc² +ai where a is a rational number, m is a natural number and c is the speed of light

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    4 months ago

    I have to use Excel for work. When I right click to paste data, now there’s a bullshit Copilot command right where Paste used to be. I swear they chose that spot just because it’s used a lot and they knew they could cram it in more people’s faces that way.