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I think MTG is going to die soon.
Lucidity often occurs before death.
God a couple years ago when she was in the midst of all of her heavy maga rants I saw this bitch on vacation out in Colorado at a Costco you can bet I flipped her right the fuck off and so did several other people that were there. Needless to say it’s throwing me off that she’s actually being sane and reasonable in this time. I think it finally got to the point because of Trump going against her that she realized she wasn’t going to make as much money and she hit that retirement or she now gets a pension from the Senate and so she didn’t give a shit anymore cuz she’s now going to be making money the rest of her life from the government.
Are you mixing her up with Lauren Boebert? MTG is a Georgia rep. Not that I blame you for mixing them up, these MAGA women all go for the Stepford wife look.
Nope you know people can travel out of the state they live in right? I was out off of my state, at the Costco up in Gypsum.
Considering Boebert is from CO, you can kinda understand their confusion tho. Especially if you don’t realize how much tourism happens there.
I’d prefer Laura Boebert’s porn doppelganger to be in Congress. She’s probably a significantly better person
MTG had a brain tumor, and her immune system caught up with it in 2025 and killed it.
Makes as much sense as anything else.
Don’t be fooled, she sees the trump ship sinking and got off early, shell probably run for MAGA type positions, possibly even president, with the “cred” she built up defying Trump, while still supporting 95%+ of his policies and culture.
Yeah she is still garbage in most ways I’m sure.
The brain tumor is winning. It’s smarter than her.
I’m sure her outrage has everything to do with the situation alone and nothing to do with her getting canned.
Still a transphobe
If she thinks she can face turn and get support from non-MAGA voters just by making the right noises, she’s in for a nasty awakening. We don’t fall in line the way right wing voters do, it’s literally our biggest weakness electorally.
If you think you can take the country back with just your allies here on the left, rejecting everyone for lack of purity as if you already won which by the way you lost for that fucking reason and are currently being played like a fiddle by fucking Israel played off against people we agree with on issues then it is you that is lacking in understanding my friend. Sweet dreams genius.
So your big plan is… Side with any cynical opportunist who flatters you.
Perfect. I’ll watch from a safe distance.
Also, MTG is not cynical, she was a True Believer.
Cooperate on what you agree on.
Or reject everyone except for the 10 percent that have not offended your delicate sensibilities yet. Because that’s working so fucking well for us. Isn’t it? Isn’t it? Answer me.
You’re talking to me like we’ve spoken before. I don’t recall anything between us that would justify your characterization of me, nor the mildly amusing abuse.
In any case, looking over your other comments I surmise that we agree more than we don’t. It would be hilarious to speak to one another like bitter enemies then, wouldn’t it? But I don’t have the energy.
We do disagree about what’s to be done about Greene, but since I can’t vote in her district you needn’t concern yourself. Sorry, I trust neither the truly evil nor the easily deluded.
Don’t I know it. Yet preventing fascists from seizing absolute power is more important than our feelings. We are almost there, we have like one more chance to stop them and you motherfuckers are blowing it, not so much you as the ones that are going to shout down everybody not supporting Gavin Newsom, nevertheless, we’ve precious little time to organize and act together instead of being played off each other as we are in this situation. They are bringing Israel to America. It’s been a long time coming.
But it does matter, we need to be able to work with people we agree on issues with even if we don’t agree with them on every single thing. Because that is how they play us off each other in case you haven’t noticed. Israel and the US government is directly involved then turning us against people we agree with on some issues because we disagree with them on other issues. Why do you think that is?
Well, I emigrated. I still do vote and I can’t look away, but that’s the extent of my involvement. My family and my wife’s was only born and raised American for about one generation each.
Once I understood the country well enough in a historical context, I couldn’t bear to be there for what I think is next. I don’t think you’re wrong that there’s a chance, but I don’t love the odds.
I know how to be civil with people I disagree with. I worked next to a Trumper for nine years, and was able to be civil almost every day. She loved to talk about how her dad was in the Klan. I rather think my problem is I’m too civil.
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If she’s cast out from maga is she an Overton widow?
The only rational thing she’s doing is trying to con the Dem for a seat at their table thinking people will forget the unhinged shit she have said
She wants to be the next Dick Cheney. I can’t wait to hear all the takes of, “What’s wrong with Gavin Newsom campaigning with MTG?”
She has also stated elsewhere that she is surprised by the sexism that exists in the Republician party. I wouldn’t necessarily trust her mental faculties.
That’s an excessively nice way of saying that she’s an absolute fucking moron.
I see people on Lemmy who keep trying to paint her as some kind of opportunist who broke with Trump because she sees which way the wind is blowing. But no, she’s only broken with Trump because she only just recently finally got it through her skull that he was lying about the things she supported him for. She wasn’t in on the grift; she was among those who fell the hardest for it!
Yeah. She was a true believer. She wanted to go to Washington and expose an evil conspiracy about elite pedophiles who were puppets of Israel, and she found exactly what she was looking for. But it turned out to be the team she was playing for.
Man I hate this timeline
I mean, MTG being a true believer and getting elected is not anywhere near the worst part of this timeline.
Even Fetterman might be worse.
Aww, not AGAIN
Isn’t she a horrible person too? I think she’s just a rat, now trying to jump a sinking ship.
Of course she’s a horrible person! But that doesn’t mean she can’t also be a gullible nitwit who was duped by other horrible people.
My purpose is not to redeem MTG, but to point out how comprehensively irredeemable she truly is. She isn’t just stupid or mean; she’s both stupid and mean.
I mean…I guess at least she’s a “genuine” moron
german has a beautiful word for that:
naturblöd
(naturally stupid, but sound a lot like “naturblond”, which is just naturally blonde)
I wish they’d let her grow her fur back, and release her back into the woods.
Fuck her. Don’t forget all the hateful shit she has spouted up until she splintered from Trump, trying to start her own faction of the hateful fascists.
This is short sighted.
You can hate someone and still agree when they say something you agree with. If you dismiss a point just because of who said it, you’re showing you don’t actually care whether the point is true.”
If you just hate someone cause “oh they’re on the other side from me” does that really make you better than the other side who does the same?
If you just hate someone cause “oh they’re on the other side from me” does that really make you better than the other side who does the same?
When the other side are discount nazis, yes it does make me better than them.
It depends. If they are an obvious grifter like MTG, hell yes I’m better than her. She has shown no contrition, no growth, no regret for the horrible policies she’s pushed forth. This is not a person who wants to genuinely make the country a better place, she’s a piece of shit who senses a better deal elsewhere.
This is like seeing a person willing to cheat with you and thinking, “I should start a genuine relationship with this person; they would surely never cheat on me.”
Okay let’s remove the “are we better than her” part, do you think that her stance here is entirely null and void because of the person she is? Would you change your mind if Bernie said it?
I’m not saying you have to start a relationship with her or start pioneering her cause, but if you’re going to discount a point you might agree with because of the person, what’s the point of making policies in the first place? We might as well hit full send and send politics to where I see it going, just put the candidates on a tinder like app with no more than a tweet of what they’re about, have them put on a red or blue tie and be done with it. No need for nuance, just vote based on looks, hell, we don’t even need the blurbs at the bottom.
Who’s doing that?
You do not, under any circumstance, gotta hand it to Hitler. The nuance here is that MTG is a piece of shit. We must be intolerant of the intolerant because welcoming them and accepting them society provides an opening for them to spread their anti social beliefs. Before they are welcomed into polite society, they must show that they have changed and are compatible with polite society.
It is ok to have disagreements with others, so long as the disagreements aren’t something like, “we disagree if gay people should be allowed to get married”. People who hold such anti social beliefs must not be allowed a foothold. People like MTG use the more sane policies as cover to infiltrate and spread their actual beliefs, like Jewish Space Lasers.
You are too focused on the trees to notice that the forest is garbage. The nuance here is not that MTG has some good takes. The nuance here is that MTG will say and do anything to advance her anti social agenda.
Well, Hitler wanted every German to do sports and be fit and was against smoking. He was a monster but in those things he was on the right side.
My man, if I’m focused on the trees you’re sitting there staring at a leaf. I feel like I’ve been pretty on point about what I’m trying to say here. You can agree with something someone you hate said. If you can’t, you’re letting emotions take over logic
I am with you
I appreciate it but Im also highly aware that nobody is going to be changing their mind in this discussion. I just hate to see a smart place like Lemmy devolve into what I would call “dumb politics”
If you can’t, you’re letting emotions take over logic
MTG is a politician, not a logician, and people’s responses to her bigoted ass don’t have to be restrained to pure logic.
All you control in this life is your own response to stimuli, MTG isn’t making you be illogical, you are.
Okay let’s remove the “are we better than her” part, do you think that her stance here is entirely null and void because of the person she is?
Yes, actually. 100% I think that.
Do you not understand the fact that a grifter or opportunist saying something makes it completely meaningless?
Like, hell, do you look at stuff like JD Vance saying “If you want your kid to go and fight in some stupid globalist war, vote for Joe Biden” and not understand that he’s completely full of shit?
I understand that you think that, but I have a feeling I’m less emotionally invested in this than you
Lmao what? 😂
Secret cheat code to win any argument: just say the other person is being emotional.
Who’s trying to win? I assumed we were just debating
You can also hate someone and just give no fucks whether they are right or wrong or are in agreement with. That bitch should get cancelled already. I dunno what PR firm she hired, but they must be worth it.
If you just hate someone cause “oh they’re on the other side from me” does that really make you better than the other side who does the same?
No. OP clearly stated because ‘all the hateful shit she has said.’
I’ve seen piles of shit that are better than MTG. And occasionally I wasn’t looking I stepped in a pile of it.
Let me ask this, if she said “hitler is bad” do you write that off or agree with it? Of course this is a fictional, absurd example. But this is the best way I can just lay out my argument with an example.
I believe you should be able to take a statement like “trump is insane” and agree with it, without getting hung up on who said it, regardless of them being a piece of shit.
But I also understand these are intense times, and maybe everyone doesn’t separate the voice from the speaker like I do.
You’re assuming she’s genuine, when her entire history warns against making that assumption. If she wants to prove her worth, she can leave the Republican party, declare herself an independent, and caucus with the Democrats.
She won’t, because it’s all a grift and she’s hoping to con all the people who are ok with looking the other way at child rape, but not at rising oil prices.
If she wants to prove her worth, she can leave the Republican party, declare herself an independent, and caucus with the Democrats.
How about, if she wants to prove her worth, she can retire from politics forever, give all she has to the poor, and spend her weekends volunteering at soup kitchens.
I’m not opposed to forgiveness or giving people second chances, unless that second chance means putting them in a leadership role after they’ve already fucked up in such a role. At that point, it’s just failing to hold powerful people accountable. Are there not enough people in the country to find someone who doesn’t have a track record like hers?
Oh I’m right there with you. She’s completely untrustworthy.
She created this problem, and she’s pretending to be some voice of reason now that it suits her ambitions. She’s welcome to change sides - that’s her prerogative - but nobody owes her respect or forgiveness. She has been legitimately heinous and bares massive responsibility for the suffering the world is going through today. She wants redemption and welcome into a position of respect among reasonable people after blaming wildfires on Jewish space lasers and working against climate action. She’s not entitled to a leadership position in the fight against Trump and I refuse to acknowledge her.
If she’s going to go back to pulling maga bullshit because people remember things she said and did and hold her to account for it? Then she was never worth having as an ally in the first place.
“On the other side from me”? Oh please, she is a transphobic piece of shit whose “side” wants me dead or worse. I do not give a shit what she says. She is not, has never been, and never will be a leftist just because she said some mean shit about trump once.
Whose talking about switching sides? Sir or madam, i keep repeating this point. You can acknowledge you agree with something someone said even if you hate them. If you can’t, you’re prioritizing thinking emotionally instead of logically
You are also going to lose if you reject allies, with your enemies whispering whom to reject.
Israel is the devil, and the ledt lets them play us like a fiddle. Off of each other.
‘Allies’ is an interesting word choice considering what an over the top anti-queer bigot MTG is.
Israel is the devil.
Fuck all to do with whether the American politician this post is about is a piece of shit.
I think she is already in a relationship.
I understand she’s absolutely disingenuous but I don’t think she reaching out to the left, she’s reach out to the never Trump republicans.
I don’t think she’s disingenuous. I think all her crazy beliefs are actual beliefs. We’re all just amazed because a tiny sliver of truth managed to penetrate her defences.
As for the never-Trump Republicans. This is a case where the enemy of my enemy is still most definitely my enemy. I’m sure that the never-Trump GOP feels the same way. If a rabid dog starts biting its Nazi owner, we might cheer it on. But, that doesn’t mean we’re going to let that rabid dog get any closer to us.
Another day, another time I don’t understand why Magic the Gathering has to do with Trump.
You ain’t agreeing with her, she’s angling for her next grift.
Probably going to try to run as a Democrat.
Goes to show these fuckers know exactly how fucking dumb their positions are and that they know exactly what they are doing when gaslighting and radicalizing the American people. MTG didn’t suddenly become smarter. She found it convenient to have a contrary position.
Their evil is deliberate. Never forget this.
That’s the true story. It’s not a change of heart, it’s a change of angle for trying to grift. But I don’t mind her making more cracks in magass and splitting their party votes… maybe some lost cult members will ACTUALLY have a change of heart
