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I prefer Vivaldi - despite letting you install Adblock extensions (sicnce it’s a Chromium browser), I really like how it has a built-in ad-and-tracker-blocker. Seriously!
But why should i use proprietary software in the first place, when a perfectly fine free alternative exists?
I like to suck cock of corporations that spy and profit from my data?
IIRC it’s not exactly open source, but you can still view the source code.
I’m confused what the differentiation is. Ipen source means the code is open to be viewed
Open source typically means that the code is public and comes with extensive freedoms to use, modify, and distribute (the degree to which these are allowed is governed by the software license).
Source available, on the other hand, generally means that the code is publicly available for review but is otherwise proprietary and/or restricts the freedoms that an open source project provides.
The differences are more nuanced than the above summary might suggest, as they come from different philosophies on what open source should mean and how people should be able to interact with and use open source projects.
thank you for doing the work
Open Source ultimately means the code can be sold without modification. But then you can get tricky so for instance if you use this (particularly licensed) open source code, all other code you use in conjunction with this open source code also has to be open source.
Here is a fun thing:
Linksys (Cisco) and the GPL Enforcement (Early 2000s): Context: Linksys used Linux, which is licensed under the GNU General Public License (GPL), for the firmware of the WRT54G wireless router. The Force: The Free Software Foundation (FSF) and the open-source community discovered Linksys was not sharing its modified code, which is required by the GPL. Outcome: After legal pressure and a lawsuit in 2003, Cisco agreed to release the source code. This led to the creation of popular third-party firmware like OpenWrt and DD-WRT. (ai overview)
You can view part of the source code, outdated. They leave out the source of some UI features iirc. So you cant verify that the binary you installed was actually made from that source code (because, again, they only publish part of the source code).
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Because there are a lot of people who are way smarter than me who will verify it, and then sound the alarm when they find something.
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Recompiling doesnt really take much human effort. Its an easy verification
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Verification is a group effort, which has value in building trust in software and its devs. If i do it by myself or not is not that important.
I think a lot of people don’t know any of the controversy related to brave and just use it because they know it as the most private chromium browser
There is so much controversy with every browser and people working on them that I find is better just not to read anything about any browser anymore.
Maybe, if you’ve only heard of like 5 browsers.
I mean, yeah. I’m not a computer person, so
fivesix browsers seems like a lot to just know off hand. I don’t know as many cola brands or Russian Czars without looking them up (I clearly don’t know what a normal comparison would be). People do talk mad shit about Firefox, chrome, opera, brave, safari, and edge though, which have got to make up the vast majority of the browser market.Having to cross out 5 and make it 6 because you actually could name more than 5 off-hand really seems to undercut that point.
But people talk shit about all of them. Plus, does edge really count? Also, wasn’t that really your point? I can think of more than five and people are still shit talking them.
From a non techie perspective, I don’t know why one is better than another.
Maybe. I tried a lot and my personal experience is that Chrome is at least a level above all else in UX for general use. So chrome with some privacy features out of the box seems a good way to go.
Not sure what that has to do with your claim that “every” browser has “so much controversy”, but okay.
In conversations humans don’t talk like robots or like they are writing a code. People often use lose expressions, colorful language, exaggerations and everything else that I have no idea about.
I didn’t think I’d need to explain that when I said every browser before, I didn’t really think every single browser. Yet here we are. That’s why I didn’t actually think you will call me out on it and just continued with other stuff. 😀
So yeah, not every browser 😁. Only a few. Although with so many new questionable ai ones, the percentage is going up for sure.
So by “every browser has so much controversy”, you meant, “maybe a few browsers have some controversy”.
Apparently it’s robotic to point out gigantic overstatements.
🥱
that’s so sad
Privacy features? Google harvests your data regardless of your settings. It also furthers Google’s monopoly on the web. I’m sure anyone can see the problem with an advertising giant hungry for data being able to dictate how you access the internet, and what the internet even looks like. Google has power over all of that, split between their influence in the W3C, their Chrome browser, their Android OS, and Google Search.
Google decides what you see, how you see it, and how the underlying technology functions; that’s literally their business model.
That’s the real problem with Chrome and any Chromium based browser.
Yes, it’s a big concern. Unfortunately I have a lot of those. I will have to leave it to other people to spearhead a better fairer freer alternative. One that will not only attract a select crowd, but a wider audience.
Chrome is the worst, there is no privacy with Chrome. The UX is also trash, it’s only good if you haven’t tried anything else.
Also Sergey Brin is in the Epstein files.
Well i respect your personal experience, but it doesn’t at all correspond with mine.
You can prefer the UX of Chrome, especially since so much of the web is designed for it. But it’s not a subjective personal experience that it is not private. Google exists to harvest your data. And the fact that everyone just accepts it is why the internet is so shitty.
We are taking about brave, not chrome. I don’t think you get any more harvested than you do with Firefox.
Marketing has really worked for Brave.
That is the sad state of the world. Mass manipulating sentiment like some commercial psyop is a built in “feature” of the system.
Catering to convenience too.
we live in an era where you can make a puke like prime the most desired drink in the world, so yeah.
Which it isn’t, and also Chromium sucks, so they’re really just mag dumping into their foot
The web sucks, because of Google’s EEE approach with Chromium; there just isn’t a good way to use the web anymore. I use librewolf, it’s okay.
Librewolf breaks some site and other FF features, I don’t think if it’s usable enough for day by day.
Google really needs to be kicked out of the W3C and have Chrome taken from them.
Yup librewolf for all the stuff I can. Google Meet has all kinds of wierd problems on firefox, especially in Linux. Whne you’re hosting you can’t share just one tab with sound and in linux getting the video/mic to authorize is hit or miss and takes a good 20 seconds on my boxes to authorize even when it works.
Chromium sucks? chromium is objectively more secure and performant AND compatible than gecko could be.
Based on what?
GrapheneOS cites security issues with Firefox.
Citation
Avoid Gecko-based browsers like Firefox as they’re currently much more vulnerable to exploitation and inherently add a huge amount of attack surface. Gecko doesn’t have a WebView implementation (GeckoView is not a WebView implementation), so it has to be used alongside the Chromium-based WebView rather than instead of Chromium, which means having the remote attack surface of two separate browser engines instead of only one. Firefox / Gecko also bypass or cripple a fair bit of the upstream and GrapheneOS hardening work for apps. Worst of all, Firefox does not have internal sandboxing on Android. This is despite the fact that Chromium semantic sandbox layer on Android is implemented via the OS isolatedProcess feature, which is a very easy to use boolean property for app service processes to provide strong isolation with only the ability to communicate with the app running them via the standard service API. Even in the desktop version, Firefox’s sandbox is still substantially weaker (especially on Linux) and lacks full support for isolating sites from each other rather than only containing content as a whole. The sandbox has been gradually improving on the desktop but it isn’t happening for their Android browser yet.
In terms of performance, it’s well known that Blink is faster and it can be tested by just trying both. Firefox stutters and lags while Chromium maintains a smooth framerate.
I disagree with compatibility however. Chromium’s wayland support is iffy and it barely integrates with XDG or VAAPI
GrapheneOS’s objections are irrelevant because you should be using security extensions if you’re old enough to get online without parental supervision. JavaScript has not run on my web browser since Bush Jr was in office. Considering Graphene is made by weirdos who get hysterical if you start asking questions about the difference between admin permissions on a big device that lives on your desk versus a small device that lives in your pocket, they’re pretty firmly relegated to being unserious.
you should be using security extensions
Do you really think extensions are sufficient to manage proper process isolation in the browser engine itself?
JavaScript has not run on my web browser since Bush Jr was in office
Are we serious? You can’t claim that security is irrelevant for everyone because you cripple your web browser to be functionally equivalent to
curl https://website.com/.made by weirdos who get hysterical if you start asking questions about the difference between admin permissions…
There’s little difference. I’m pretty sure they’d agree the traditional desktop security model (especially Linux) is extremely weak.
Okay kid
Omg this idiot saying no one should use javascript… This is un realistic unpractical and stupid.
Okay boomer
Skill issue detected
I know of the controversies, I just don’t think they’re all that big when you actually examine them.
Homophobia
I’m part of the LGBT community and I just think there are bigger fish to fry. One of the guys involved made a $1k donation to an anti-prop 8 campaign like 15 years ago. That’s it. That’s the controversy. Like, yea it’s shitty, but there was a lot more hate toward the community back then. People have grown and changed their views a lot in the years since. If we boycott every single company or individual who ever did anything even remotely homophobic, no matter their actions since, we’d essentially have to be living in a commune growing and making literally everything ourselves. Btw, this same guy is the one who developed JavaScript and I don’t see even remotely the same level of hate for that, so it really feels like people are just being selectively upset.
Cryptocurrency
It’s opt-in. It asks you once, and then never again. It was developed at a time when crypto was popular and was a feature people wanted. It was seen as a good thing when it first came out. Public opinion on crypto has soured, but plenty of people who wanted it still use the feature on brave. They have no good reason to scrap it. Especially because, again, it’s opt-in only. Don’t like it? Cool, don’t use it. They aren’t pushing it on you. But people hear the word crypto and immediately break out the pitchforks.
Do you even know what the goal of their cryptocurrency was? I think it’s safe to say its failed at this point, but the goal was to completely rework how ads function on the internet. It would have killed the modern advertisement methods where ads are shoved in your face and you get nothing for it. Instead, it would have directly paid you a tiny amount any time you saw an ad, with you being able to choose how many you saw, or even if you saw any at all. Then you’d either be able to either keep the money for yourself, or donate it to websites/content creators of your choice. Take away the crypto part of it, and that’s actually a pretty admirable goal in my book.
Ad affiliate links
Brave’s biggest, actual, controversy is that they replaced some affiliate links with their own. Specifically links to binance.us, which is a crypto market. When it was found, Brave changed their code extremely quickly and claimed it was a bug. Now, companies have often lied through their teeth and claimed malicious actions were a “mistake” or a “bug”, so maybe that is the same case here. But considering it was one site only, it was fixed almost immediately, and when you look at how it was actually replacing links (suggested auto fill in the address bar, pulled from browsing history) I am leaning toward it actually being unintentional.
Conclusion
I think people just like to hate things, and will find any reason to continue to do so as long as their little corner of the internet tells them they should hate it. People most vocal with their complaints rarely take the time to dig into the facts and see if it’s really as bad as they claim; or they fully know it’s not as bad, but never want to let the truth get in the way of a good ol’ fashion, hate-boner, circle-jerk.
Is Brave the best browser? Hahahaha no. It’s still a chromium fork and has been a little too eager to integrate AI in my opinion. But it’s FAR from the worst and is the probably the best privacy focused browser for those that don’t understand technology and struggle to use third-party ad-ons. It’s just a little ridiculous that while there are legitimate things to complain about, most people’s arguments seem to always stem from the 3 topics above.
Now cue the downvotes because I’m clearly some crypto fascist boot-licker for daring to believe “nuance” isn’t a made up word.
Dude you are the most logical and coherent person in this thread, congrats. I should add that most of the bloat Brave has can be disabled via policies, even IA things.
Calm down with this logical and thought-out response.
That’s really well said.
In the end they are just browsers. It’s great to have people that inform others and lead them to better alternatives and Firefox has many of them who are very passionate. But then many of them are way too passionate.
I agree with you on all these. The only problem I have with Brave is they choose to exclusively shit on Firefox recently as their marketing strategy, while there are apparently much much bigger fish to fry. I thought their whole mission is to stop people from using Chrome, not another way more privacy focused browser.
Appreciate the write up!
Wow this is so… sane.
Being childish and reductive I wanted to downvote anything supporting Brave, but I find you’ve challenged my views on this.
That said, I think I’m just going to re-frame my dislike for Brave users by assuming they’re all crypto-weirdos.
A couple points: Brendan Eich, the one that made the prop-8 donation, is the current CEO of Brave, not just “one of the guys involved”. In a related problem, I find it a little difficult to believe that someone who doesn’t still hold their anti-gay views would be quite so eager to take cash from Peter Thiel (via his Firm Founder Fund) and I especially do not want to be involved with a browser supported by Thiel when the terms of his investment are private (like, does he have access to brave’s user data? We’d like to think no, but boy are they shaking hands with the devil while asking us to trust them.)
Another big piece of criticism that was excluded: Brave created a bunch of profiles for content creators without telling them then used those to solicit donations on behalf of those content creators, then not only refused to refund users who were deceived they kept all the money.
I think people just like to hate things, and will find any reason to continue to do so as long as their little corner of the internet tells them they should hate it.
Trying to present aspects of this as overblown is possibly true - their affiliate link scam was just to binance.us and that gets left out of a lot of this, but at the same time that’s a damned difficult thing to sell as just having been a mistake when it was auto-replacing the links to something they were the beneficiaries of.
Btw, this same guy is the one who developed JavaScript and I don’t see even remotely the same level of hate for that, so it really feels like people are just being selectively upset.
Well sure, but he’s not actively the CEO of javascript, and as far as I’m aware hasn’t ever been involved with javascript since it was rolled into the OpenJS Foundation.
(Also: Brendan Eich shared a bunch of covid conspiracy theory / misinformation stuff. Sure that’s a minor point, absolutely everyone sure was doing that back then and why should we judge, but still it’s not a great look.)
Trying to present aspects of this as overblown is possibly true - their affiliate link scam was just to binance.us and that gets left out of a lot of this, but at the same time that’s a damned difficult thing to sell as just having been a mistake when it was auto-replacing the links to something they were the beneficiaries of.
And this is why an Open Source browser is so important. Because we can audit it. You are saying like it is a bad thing to audit it.
(like, does he have access to brave’s user data? We’d like to think no, but boy are they shaking hands with the devil while asking us to trust them.)
You can audit it. actually there is this video doing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JNg4Ox2Hvc
A wireshark audit isn’t relevant to their reasons for having included the link redirect in the first place, and even a full code audit wouldn’t turn up a user datasharing agreement with Thiel? Obviously auditing OS software is a good thing, I never made any claims about that being bad or presented like it wasn’t possible?
I’m really not sure what you’re trying to say here, none of that refutes any of the points I made.
datasharing agreement What kind of data they could be collecting if they just connect for checking the version and 1 or 2 connections more, as shown in the wireshark scan? Really, oh a computer downloaded Brave, big deal. Even assuming the worst that everything goes to Thiel it just doesn’t matter because it is not relevant for tracking.
What?
Now the 3-year-old strat: Lalalala, I can’t hear you!
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Can anyone reccomend good options fo browsers?
These are all the browsers I personally think are good and privacy-respecting. Sorry if I accidentally included too many options.
Desktop
Firefox-Based
Firefox
The standard for browsers where you aren’t the product. For maximum privacy it does require tweaking settings, but it is reasonably privacy-friendly out of the box. It has light customization options including a sidebar and customizable button placement, and can be much more heavily customized with user themes.
Librewolf (Most reccomended for privacy)
A custom version of Firefox with enhanced privacy by default. Comes with Ublock Origin installed.
Waterfox
A Firefox-based browser with some additional privacy features, enhanced speed, and additional features.
Floorp
A browser based on Firefox with much more advanced customization options and many additional features, like workspaces and web panels. Doesn’t add any additional privacy-focused features. They recently also added support for chrome extensions. This is my personal choice of browser (with the Natsumi modification).
Zen Browser
A Firefox-based browser with a sidebar+workspace workflow, and lots of stylistic changes and customizations that help put the focus on the webpage. Very nice and usable for productivity, but doesn’t add any additional privacy-focused features.
Chromium-Based
Ungoogled Chromium
It’s Chromium, but without Google. Pretty self-explanatory, it’s simple, and it works.
Vivaldi
An extremely customizable browser packed with a massive quantity of additional features that can be toggled and tweaked for varying needs and methods of usage. It supports MV2 extensions.
Helium
A chromium-based browser with enhanced privacy and speed. Comes with Ublock Origin pre-installed, and supports MV2 extensions. It’s a pretty new project.
Android
Firefox-Based
Firefox
The de-facto privacy-friendly browser, although for maximum privacy it does require tweaking settings. It (and its forks) are the only privacy-friendly browsers on android that support extensions.
Waterfox
A fork of Firefox with more private defaults, and extra bloat removed.
IronFox
A hardened private Firefox fork. Heavily focused on privacy and security, it sacrifices some usability for privacy.
Chromium-based
Cromite (Most reccomended for privacy)
A chromium fork with enhanced privacy and built-in ad blocking.
Vivaldi
Very customizable chromium-based browser. It does not come with an ad-blocker.
iOS
All browsers on iOS are limited to the WebKit engine which Safari is built on, so just use Safari. The benefits of other browsers on iOS are negligible.
Oh wow ya thank you. This is very helpful
While I’m sure you are right I think Brave also likely pays for maintaining opinion on social media and posting positive comments supporting it. Many others learned of doing that (for example musk has bots astroturfing its image pretty much everywhere.) Similarly for example you don’t see controversies section about Brave.
I get why it’s popular. It’s has a nice default user experience and if that’s all you care about most people will be fine with it. It’s not for me though
Whenever my coworker shares his screen and opens Brave the entire screen turns into a gigantic ad. 😭
Not everyone can co-operate a farmhouse b&b, Mose!
This is correct, but normies have the right to block ads too…
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I use “nc” and parse like a real man.
Mosaic or gtfo.
it’s still around, just renamed to seamonkey
konqueror is all i ever needed
Lynx is all the UI you need.
Or
linksif you’re all fancy like.curl, html2latex and latex are all you need.
I don’t even see the code anymore, all I see is blonde, brunette, redhead
I still can’t believe Brave is a thing. There apparently are just people out there who are like “I’m frustrated by the corporate bullshit in googles chromium chrome, so I think I’ll try this crypto scam made by a homophobe on googled chromium brave”
Fixed it, so it’s more accurate. Now with even more insanity.
Edit. Autocorrect bullshit
Time to break out the article: https://www.spacebar.news/stop-using-brave-browser/
Time to break out the narrative about chromium vs gecko:
https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.html
This article was last updated in 2022. I wonder how much of it is still true.
I need a lenticular post.
Hey! Put some (dis)respect on the man’s name! Brave is made by the (idiotic) guy that made the backbone of modern interactive web(JavaScript) , Brandon Eich! He was one of the founders of Mozilla!
Imagine what could’ve been if JavaScript never existed. It might have even been good!
JavaScript is actually a beautiful language. It’s what people have done with and to it that’s the problem.
More, what people use it for.
Even JS used had a golden period where it was generally used to make the web a bit more fun.
Corporate greed really robbed us all of a lot.
I’m missing something here. What’s the big thing people in this thread are hinting at JavaScript being used for that’s so sinister? Is it just like, tracking and stuff?
A pretty list:
https://github.com/denysdovhan/wtfjs?tab=readme-ov-file#-examples
Also, javascript is quite heavy, slow, and many other shits, but i can’t confirm them as i’m not a web programmer
Yeah there’s loads of funny little quirks to the language. I actually quite like that about it, I think it’s sort of endearing and human, even when I’m frustrated with it.
I don’t know if it’s slow necessarily, but I do know that a lot of things I build (I have to build things designed by other people, I’ve tried to push back but ultimately it’s my boss designing a lot of it) is overengineered and relies on frankly too many moving parts, which could contribute to annoying UX I guess but with all the caching we have in place I’m not sure it’s slow… I’m not a computer science guy though, I might be just too dumb to understand how slow it is
“Just tracking and stuff” is a ridiculous understatement. The web of today is primarily a surveillance tool used to cram advertisements down our throats at the cost of anything else. The big players have become so good at it that they can identify you uniquely even if you don’t use their service, because the data collected is sold everywhere else.
It has turned us all into products.
Some of us still remember the glory of the early 90’s internet. The tooling needed to surveil wasn’t there yet, and most content was about being creative, expressive, and fun. Corporations have robbed us of that and it feels like every fucking website now is just another tool to commodify you.
Hey man, I agree with everything you’re saying and I genuinely mourn the freedom of expression that the web has lost. I was using “just tracking and stuff” as a shorthand as part of a conversation, cos I was just asking specifically about what I was missing from what people were talking about.
Let’s stop calling it tracking. Tracking can be done server-side. What you are referring to is spying if we’re calling a spade a spade.
Many modern websites won’t work without JavaScript enabled. They purposefully design essential features of the site to fail without JavaScript, so that is must be enabled, so that spying can occur. This is also slow, and bloated.
Yeah, it sucks.
Sorry, I work with a marketing department so it’s just normalised to me to call it tracking despite the fact that yes, I agree with you that it’s surveillance and targeted ads are gross. What distinction are you making between tracking server-side, and spying? For me, I guess I’m talking about things like Google analytics or Google ads or hotjar or MS Carity when I say “tracking” in this context (JavaScript).
Used Fennec
Lol yeah because that’s what people think. I guess stay mad about the straw man you made up instead of digging into real people’s thoughts and feelings.
He donated to Prop 8 in California back in 2008. The bill intended to ban gay marriage in the largest state in the country. He resigned as the CEO of Mozilla after receiving a lot of backlash from the public. The man is openly against gay marriage. You don’t have to dig very deep to find that much.
You seriously expect that the average consumer digs into the personal history of the owner of an internet browser
Not really personal tbf, but still, the avarage users wouldn’t dig anyway, but honestly it wouldn’t seem too strange that someone on lemmy in a post about browsers would do that
Oh shit I didn’t know about this! I remember when Brave came out and I just instinctively knew there was something fishy about it, never used it. It’s like a sixth sense, like how you know when something is an ad.
I remember feeling the exact same when Facebook first rolled out and everyone was raving about it- I just knew it was a big scam, I couldn’t articulate it, but I knew.
It’s a good intuition to have, we should all keep our bullshitometers up to code and well maintained.
Tried it when it first came out, noticed that it had an option to allow some ads to “support the developers” or whatever, immediately noped out of there and uninstalled it. The only adblockers that do that are the shady ones who are in bed with the ad companies.
I ditched Adblock Plus for Ublock Origin many years ago over this shit; not about to use an entire browser that secretly collects data on me and sells it to the ad companies.
When tiktok came out I imagine you just fell ill due to sensory overload.
It absolutely did, and I went on a crusade trying to stop people around me from using it- to no avail.
The first time I saw it used in person was by a friend in a group of us all mid shroom trip. Sensory overload is an understatement.
Like Markiplier doubting Honey years before they were called out, something really was off about it.
Crypto? Really?
Well I like it. It does the job, just a bit better than chrome. I tried Firefox, disappointed. Brave works and I most definitely don’t have time to read and decide what everyone involved with a free software does or says.
I’m sure my opinion will do well here, 😂. I wonder if I’ll be called worse names than the last time I said I don’t like Firefox? Maybe ban?
For a long while the browser was mining Cryptocurrency secretly, that what they’re referring to.
If you really really need a Chromium based browser then Vivaldi is a better alternative.
FAKE.
I haven’t found any info about this, even the opposite that brave was first to have defence against it .
What thing doesn’t convince you in using firefox?
Performance, insecurity, poor Mozilla management.
https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.html
this article is 3 years old, send me something newer, maybe something wrote after firefox 138
Also, the author of that article is a die-hard chrorium user, i don’t expect him to care much
How much have changed things since this date? I bet not much. Considering how Mozilla was spending their google money on. I.E. orgies in Africa.
Go look at the update change logs yourself
A few littl things that id like to work differently, but I think the nail in the coffin was when an app I tried didn’t work on Firefox. And then there was the whole controversy with the funding, then with the ai stuff I just went back to brave and decided not to actually follow controversies like this. When I mentioned this once before, I think I was called a bunch of names including wishes that I die, so i wasn’t too motivated to make any effort into changing again anyway.
You wanted less controversy from the makers of your browser so you went for Chrome by Brave eau de toilet. I’m confused.
That’s like going from an environmental-protection group to environmental-destroying group bcs previously the latter group didn’t want to send you pamphlets anymore.I’m guessing the web app made for Chrome didn’t work in Firefox?
And that ads don’t bother you.I don’t think a comparison with environmental activism really applies here. They are just browsers.
I don’t really get this Firefox community either. Why is everybody pissed all the time at everyone who doesn’t cheer for Firefox all the time. Sometimes it looks like a cult.
I don’t think a comparison with environmental activism really applies here. They are just browsers.
The main problem is that it’s a decision between making a monopoly win (google with chrorium that take almost all the marketshare) and the possibility to overthrow it, “they are just browsers” well- yeah they are, until you notice how the kind of influence you, just look at how google want to ban adblockers so bad and want to make other shitty moves, i suggest to look further
I don’t really get this Firefox community either. Why is everybody pissed all the time at everyone who doesn’t cheer for Firefox all the time. Sometimes it looks like a cult.
It’s only a part of the community, and it’s the loud part*. Please ignore them and don’t lump everyone together.
.* i actually don’t notice them much tbh, so i don’t think that they are that loud but it could be just me being lucky
This is the same logic that people like Elon Musk use when they become more Nazi after it being pointed out they hold Nazi beliefs.
“You called me names and made me do this!”
So, you support cryptocurrency and homophobia? You support using a browser that hijacks all the tracking on the web and then uses it for itself and its own tracking network (instead of blocking it)? Because people told you that you were an idiot for doing it?
You’re a fucking child.
Haha, here we go guys!
Yeah, man. That oughta change their mind.
app I tried didn’t work on Firefox.
Well, here we can’t do much cuz those are the developers tha mess up, but sometimes it can be solved by just changing the user agent (there are countless extensions for that)
And then there was the whole controversy with the funding
Honestly - it’s just the founding, the main problem is that if google cut the tube they will die, but nothing else, it’s for sure less controversial than Brave with their crypto stuff and homophobic CEO, also, if you hate google don’t go using chrorium
Whoever called you names or told you to die is just an idiot, ignore them.
I actually knew it wasn’t really the fault of Firefox that the app didn’t work, …but the app still didn’t work even with this full realization .😀
I might check out Firefox browsers again some time in the future, if I find myself with extra time, I have other priorities in life right now than to read about that. I just need them to work and brave works really well.
Try either waterfox or librewolf
I’m hoping something happens with Ladybird eventually, but who knows ¯_(ツ)_/¯
To be fair, it’s also full of AI bullshit now.
Vivaldi said they won’t include AI.
….Buuuut, it’s still Chromium. Yay, I guess?
i wonder why after the blacklash of brave no one attempted to fork it.(ik it was forked only once).
Gorgeous.
