I feel like it’s more bleeding into, ok x-er now.
Not to say that all of Gen X’s like this, but I’m definitely seeing some of the older ranks falling into this sort of behavior
Im GenX, and Ill say it. You are all moaning gits, too stupid to get out for your own way because the upvotes from saying “popular thing” are just too good. Every comment I read, goes into this issue like they want to buy a forever home right off the bat in the fancy part of town. Its no wonder people cant afford anything with that mentality.
In 2003, I bought a 25% share of a single bedroom flat in the shitty part of town. It was 8k. I was earning around £4.50 an hour, before tax and national insurance. This was me getting on the ladder. As the cost of housing increased, so did my investment, and I kept on saving. So ten years later, I was able to sell and get into a bigger house in a less shit part of town. Another 10 years later, same thing, only now Im in a pretty OK part of town in a 3 bedroom detached, and it all it took was not being a fucking idiot with my money. And before you accuse me of being rich, I have never once earned more than 30k a year.
So what are people pissing their money away on that I didnt? Well, I cant speak to avocado toast, but I can point to cigarettes and drinking as some of the main reasons why I own a home and no one else I grew up with does.
The Average smoker smokes 10 a day, thats 1 20 deck very 2 days. The average cost of a 20 deck is around 15 quid. So on cigarettes along, thats already 225 quid a month. The average person in the UK has at least one night out a week. The average night out costs around 60 quid. Thats 240 quid. Thats a total of 465 quid per month on just smoking and drinking. Or 5,580 quid a year. Over 10 years thats 55,800 quid. And if you are telling me, that THAT is not enough to get a deposit for a house? Im sorry, Im calling bullshit.
Things might not be as easy as they once were, and yes the prices are stupid, and yes landlords are cunts, but people keep on talking like they have no options. The average wage of a full time worker in the UK is 37k a year. There is zero reason that a person making that much cant save as I have outlined here, and get themselves a deposit for a mortgage that will allow them to be able to afford somewhere to live. But if you want to live in a major city… well, thats a YOU problem. Theres plenty of housing around cities with minimal travel times that are inside values Ive outlined here. A lot of people need to get out of their own way, and stop making excuses. If you want to be able to afford a house, you have to make some sacrifices.
What the fuck are you on about?
First your not even on topic here for this thread for this comment. Typical.
I want you to do a little mental exercise, put a pin on the shit you just said and translate all your life efforts to today’s economic situation. Example.
Your 8k in 2003 was about 14k in today’s market. That 8k was %25 of the total amount so your first buying the flat cost around $56,000 (2003) , $98,601(2025).
I want you to font a flat, house whatever that is Liviable for that price. 100k. Easy peasy right? I won’t even try to explain to you the current pay differences cause you likely wouldn’t listen anyways.
From a genX that just hit the 50s and is technically now part of this boomer group,
Ok Boomer.
Your 8k in 2003 was about 14k in today’s market. That 8k was %25 of the total amount so your first buying the flat cost around $56,000 (2003) , $98,601(2025).
£s not $s
I want you to find a flat, house whatever that is Liviable for that price. 100k. Easy peasy right?
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/168213995#%2Ffloorplan%3FactivePlan=1&channel=RES_BUY
Done. A 2 bedroom terrace 20 minutes from a major city.
Oh, and minium wage for me at the time £4.50(around £9.10 in 2025), like I said. Its now £12.21.
Is there anything else I can do for you? Perhaps, I can cut up your meat into nice little chewable squares for you??
Conversion rate doesn’t give a fuck what symbol is in front of the number.
You’re missing 2 bedrooms. Stay in the same story. Your story. Or did you shack up with your flatmates?
Now explain to me how wages has inflated commensurately with housing prices. Go on try.
By the way I’m proud of you for staying on topic.
Good job.
Keep your shity boiled meat. I’ll keep eating my flavorful bbq’d beef.
being a stupid ignorant asshole has nothing to do with age or generations.
i know tons of 20/30 somethings who think just like boomers. who are in the same total denial of reality and living in their little bubble world. they think facts, evidence, etc, is a conspiracy or it’s just straight up evil because it makes them feel bad.
and they want to feel good and think anyone who makes them feel bad should just die.
Yes. But where is the most common? I think that’s the point. That they are usually of the boomer variety.
I guess you just proved the point, mate. You dont have to be a boomer to have dumb as fuck takes…
To know what averages are is dumb? Interesting takeaway.
in my experience it’s everyone. very few people care about facts or evidence. most lemmy posters do not.
i went to college 20 years ago and a huge chunk of my peers were completely immune to facts and evidence back then.
it’s not an age thing, it’s a basic operating feature of human psychology, no matter your age.
people who able to change their views based on new information are exceedingly rare. most folks just follow the ‘party line’ because that’s what gains them social acceptance/popularity, and going against it gets you socially ostracized.
Gen X here, sadly can confirm :( I see what used to be friends turn into selfish people, ignorant derps or conspiracy/russia shills. Or a combination thereof. It’s depressing to watch this process up close and have no antidote.
Let me Tell you a story from a whippersnapper if you care to listen. When I was young and roaming the digital wild West, there’s one thing I kept seeing from my peers. People saying “as a millennial/ gen. Z, I’m sorry for my generation” This is always stuck with me as something that was depressing in and of itself, but that also gave me pause for the idea that we needed to be sorry for something in the first place. They were apologizing for stupid things like memes or childish behavior, but I had seen them do these things in the past and have a great time doing it.
The main thing this taught me is that people are a product of their time and the current time. It’s usually not worth it to just write these people off as lost souls, but rather to reach out and try to peel back that layer of societal contempt. There’s still a human under there and they still have some of the old ideals you used to know, just under a layer of dust. When I see my peers changing nowadays, I don’t let that affect my perception of them, I still remember them as the Goofy 14-year-olds shouting swag in the hallways. Now, whenever I meet up with them, I make the effort to brush off whatever nonsense they’re going on about now and peel back that layer to see the version of them that I know and grew up with.
It’s easier than you might think, just takes a few well placed laughs and you’ve got your friends back
I agree with StarvingMartist, it really is much easier to be an enabler than it is to give a shit about values. It’s easier than you might think.
Sure if you want to belittle my point and make a joke, be my guest! Ultimately I can’t change your mind so I’m not going to bother trying, just like with my friends and family, I’m going to brush off the dust and keep navigating this complex spiderweb we call life.
I just know I won’t be doing it alone and isolated from people just because they have a different viewpoint.
Ironically, you and people who speak like this are the truly belittling ones. It’s much harder and more courageous to hold values and stick to them than it is to delude yourself and others into believing bad things really aren’t that bad, and that we can all hold hands and laugh it away like anime characters if we just try hard enough.
These things are not mutually exclusive, either. You can absolutely cry laugh over something with an evil nazi boomer. It won’t change who they are, though - they need to do that themselves, and comforting platitudes are what they count on people endlessly giving them in order for them never to have a reason to do so.
You and I have very different definitions of sticking to your values.
Even assuming your observation was universally true (which I doubt, I firmly believe people can irreversibly deteriorate) - there are circumstances that can prevent you from reaching people. To name the immediate two that come to mind:
- lack of “alone” time that they will spend with you due to family / spouses / jobs
- you simply do not find the key (again, assuming it exists) to “peel back” their layer of anger and frustration that clouds their objectivity
My GenX dad sure did shut the fuck up about the job market and economy once he had to find a new one. He gave up and retired after working a handful of shitty ones after he got laid off the good job.
My GenX dad calling me and complaining about how much Indeed sucked for finding jobs was extremely validating.
Indeed fucking sucks 😡
It does, but wtf else do we have? The other options might have one better feature and then several that are worse.
he gave up and retired
I wish i could do that.
i did, and im only 35. thanks mental health disorders!
Same.
I feel like “having it easier” can be relative. I definitely have it easier than my grandmother who is a black woman born in the late 1930s who only has a high school education. I’ve even had an easier life than my parents in many ways, even if they did achieve the “American Dream”. I may not be able to afford a house right now, but everything else has been easier as a whole so far. I’m in the USA, so we’ll see how the rest of it goes.
ETA: spelling
don’t let context and subtly of reality get in the way of your intergenerational rage narrative!
my parents were stupid ignorant fucks… but the sad fact is their life circumstances meant they were never going to be anything but that.
and plenty of people think stupid and ignorant merely because I dont agree with their extremist political ideology or their doomer mindset or chasing whatever trend is popular on social media that month.
Yes, but it has nothing to do with generations, or age. I prefer “MAGA” to boomer, because I think that’s the group most people have a problem with. MAGA does not correlate well with age. MAGA comes in all ages, and even cuts across class. With the rich class supporting it because it’s to their advantage, and the bigots of the poor class supporting it because they are bigots and ignorant.
MAGA is a group of people in the US. This phenomenon however is worldwide, and nobody in other countries is going to use a US reference for it.
Boomers are a US generation though. Where I live, boomers would’ve been born in the early 90s. Thats when we had the baby boom.
MAGAs and boomers are different groups (that’s why the words are spelt differently)
Maybe using MAGA as a slur will work better than calling them weird.
maggats
But, also, they’re old, so millennials misuse phrases from the yooths
Ok, zoomer and/or alpha.
What do you think “boomer” means, kid?
Old fucker.
Here’s a hint.
Okay boomer
a case of someone acting like a boomer (not caring “about facts, evidence, or reality”) saying
Okay boomer
Ah, something’s never change. Like children thinking they understand something and choosing to display their ignorance in an unnecessarily aggressive fashion.
Ok boomer
I was waiting for you
Lol, such an easy Uno Reverse, kid. Try harder.
out of touch
no longer conversant with facts; not aware or realistic
Smells like ignorance, which isn’t ageist
Slurs, contrary to popular belief, do have some utility
slurs used on people for things you cant control ❌️ slurs used on people for things 100% in their control ✅️
Great point fatty.
If you dont like being called “fatty”, dont be fat…
Why didn’t I think of that‽
Yes! So much this!!
well now I’m just gonna downvote for being a cringy Rick and Morty fan.
Well now im gonna creampie youre mom for being hot & easy
No, so much no. Weight isn’t always under people’s control. I’d even argue it’s not even under our control most of the time.
As soon as my PCOS got treated (metformin) I lost 20 pounds. Looking back, it should have been caught decades ago. It pisses me off how much “you just need diet and exercise!” bullshit I swallowed when all I needed to do to lose weightwas take a stupid pill to treat the underlying condition.
Caveat: I believe treating the underlying condition has had a bigger impact on my health than weight loss.
Generally speaking though, most overweight people are fat because they eat too much. Thats it. And then they look to stupid fads and cheats to lose the weight without actually changing their relationship to food. Its not you, and thats cool. Glad you got your issue sorted out. But I cant help but wonder, how many people are right now reading your experience while eating their 2nd large pizza, and thinking “I must have that!”…
So many people are never will to take responsibility for their life choices. And most of them are on social media hammering downvote buttons telling that they should be looking after themselves better.
Yeah I hate when food and drink gets teleported into my mouth
Because that’s how psychology and physiology works, obviously.
You should try reading or at least watching the video.
I did watch the video, it’s pretty good. He’s discussing the motivators behind overeating. He points out in the beginning that CICO is something that cannot be violated due to thermodynamics (incorrectly saying it’s the second law when he means first), but where the CICO approach fails is in addressing the obesity epidemic.
Ultimately, it is a personal decision to consume food. The genetic difference is in how hard this is. Genetics does not affect the physics at play. If you consume fewer calories than you expend, you will lose weight. There are no genetics that will permit you to derive more calories from food than what is consumed. Period.
Sometimes you just have to embrace the ascetic part of dieting and just suffer. Life is suffering anyhow, so you might as well make peace with it. It’s okay to be hungry, just like it’s okay to be bored. We’re not supposed to be satiated 24/7.
Please note I’m not saying over or under weight people are somehow worse people than those who are fit because they have poor willpower or something like that. We all have our problems, and everyone deserves respect as we navigate this fucked up life.
The thing is, nobody is going to be able to solve your problems except you. There is no pill that will fix your diet, and it’s not your genetics that put the food in your mouth. Genetics can make you want to eat, but you can choose not to act on this impulse. It can be trained just like anything else. The only lasting solution lies within, whether that’s learning how to deal with not giving into your hunger pangs, or forcing yourself to eat when you’re not hungry, or just learning to love yourself as you are.
oskibi doomer
I’m 45, so not a boomer but already too old to get any respect from people in their 30’s (90% of my colleagues for example). Simply speaking about something they didn’t experience (reading a map, installing an OS, meeting the love of your life without a dating app…) gets me a “Ok Boomer” each time so what do I do? I just shut the fuck up. I’m not worried, they’ll be in my position very quickly.
Send them this. I’m sure they will get it.
Bro, I’m 28 and I feel this way. It’s like I became uncool overnight
I mean, I’m going to invite everyone of every age to strip bottomless, take any “back in my day we didn’t have your fancy [whatever]” bitching an moaning you have to do, dip it in honey, roll it in sand, and cram it up your exposed ass.
I’m 38. In my mid-20s, I taught flight school, mainly to people twice my age, and this included a fairly large section on reading Sectional Aeronautical Charts. I’ve got zero fucks to give for someone 7 years my senior pulling “back in my day we had maps” shit.
They have it backwards. Young people think old people had it easy. This is their justification for not trying. Truth is every generation has it’s challenges. Rather than turn to social media for validation, look for information. There’s no one-size-fits-all solution for everyone but if you’re facing a challenge, someone before you faced the same. Don’t listen to those who tell you not to try. Listen to folks who succeeded, what worked, what didn’t.
PS The only derogatory I can say about the young generation as a whole is, where the fuck is your rock and roll? You’re listening to your grandparent’s music. Lame.
PS The only derogatory I can say about the young generation as a whole is, where the fuck is your rock and roll? You’re listening to your grandparent’s music. Lame.
I think about this all the time, actually. I think part of it is that music is so atomized into a zillion sub-genres, and there doesn’t seem to be really big zeitgeist-level types of things. Streaming vs. curating has changed the dynamics back to being more similar to what the boomers started off with, ironically, when they were buying 45’s, and before albums became a thing. :)
Anyway, the things that make the really big $$$ all seem rather nutless and uninspiring, if you ask me. Where is the music that might scare the parents?
But then, if you look back at what was charting in a given decade, you might be surprised at how schmaltzy things were way back, too. Look at the Seventies, as a for instance, and see what the top 40 was playing.
Where is the music that might scare the parents?
Phonk was fun in a 2 Fast 2 Furious kind of way. Well, the 5 phonk songs that are good, then everyone else copied those.
Hyperpop is current. It’s super-broad and I’m not sure if there is a great definition. Apparently someone called SOPHIE is like a godmother to this genre before she passed away. From my research hyperpop has become an overly broad genre, ranging from maximalist happy-breakcore (which is how I know it) to depressed autotune mumble rap.
SOPHIE might scare you. I"ve been flipping through her singles as I write this. Like hyperpop itself, her style is very varied. But generally breaks from traditional conventions of both pop and edm.
IMO a big factor is that the production quality of music (as well as movies and TV) hit a point where it no longer sounds or looks as dated. Digital remastering cleans up any flaws, now the only tip off to the age is content.
Yeah I’m hip to the schmaltzy tunes of the 70’s, I’m a big fan. Looking at you BJ Thomas.
I’m sure there is good rock going on now, it’s just not making it into the mainstream. I’m a product of 80’s punk rock. It never got mainstream attention but it did spawn acts that did in the 90’s.
Ok boomer
I always kinda wonder if they went the same experience of being misunderstood by their previous generation. Old people get inflexible and its also an indication the world is still changing alot with each generation. Still the lack of self reflection is astonishing.
Here’s the thing: They don’t need to get with the times, we don’t expect them to. But they should shut the hell up judging others. What’s screwed up is the selfishness and lack of empathy for people.
I just find these reductive generalisations a bit silly and divisive. As if anyone born between arbitrary years x and y is part of some sort of united collective that can reasonably critique everyone born between years v and w.
ok boomer.
Not saying this is wrong but sometimes you need to look in the mirror as well. It’s never just one thing. Also, throw away the boomer blame game and refocus on the rich 10%, who are more than just boomers now.
That is spot on. I have just concluded that it isn’t my responsibility to educate my parents. And since they don’t listen anyway, I also realized that since that is the case, we have not become closer through the years; but actually the opposite. And that all because they’re not willing to accept facts, because they’re lazy and entitled.
Ok millennial
There’s only two things I hate in this world: people who are intolerant of other people’s generation, and the millennials.
They were channeling their inner Gen X with that one. “Whatever.”
As a Gen X person, this is kind of my response to any sort of right-wing nonsense now. Especially that thing where you say something that’s obviously true and they ask what your source is for that so they can nit-pick it and exhaust you with irrelevant bickering until you give up.
“Society seems to be degenerating into fascism again”
“oH yEaH wHaT iS uR sOuRcE”
“Outside.”
Or I’ll just be like “no” if I even bother responding at all. You’re probably just arguing with a bot to drive up engagement that benefits some rich dickhead somehow anyway. 100% not worth it IMO.
Yeah, it’s pretty easy to pick out someone who’s genuinely asking in good faith (extremely rare) and someone who just wants to own the wokies. As you say, 99% of the time engaging is a complete waste of time.
it’s arguing in bad faith. as in you aren’t actually arguing or debating, they are just seeing to beat you down for not agreeing with them.
lemmy full of these types, despite their claims of being educated and data-driven or whatever. i had someone the other week tell me my citation of data form the USA Labor Bureau about jobs numbers was ‘lies’ because apparently statistics don’t count if Trump is in office… pointed out the data was from Biden to now and they just told me I was an idiot then cited some other source that was totally partisan nonsense.
Where are you finding conservatives like that?
Honestly question, lemmy feels like its 30% leftists, 70% center-right libs.
i am saying human beings are like that.
political belief has nothing to do with it.
people just call you whatever ‘other’ they think is bad. here on lemmy i get called a commie, MAGAt, or centrist anytime i point out facts that disagree with whatever bullshit narrative people are pushing.
