Wonder if these could be armoured enough to withstand small arms fire but light enough to be able to move around and last any decent amount of time on a charge.
Not really no, you can stop small rounds with light armor, but heavier rounds require extensive armor. Several inches of plate quickly adds up. The amount of energy it requires to move silently, and fast is pretty high. Batteries aren’t really capable of even just the motion for more then a few minutes. Gasoline engines are load and leave traces in the atmosphere that make them easy to track. The computer systems needed to run the AI are also quite extensive and using radio signals will leave locate them immediately. There are a ton of barriers. No pun intended. There is also just the fact that your 200,000 robot can be taken out by a round that cost a few dollars by a human who is 1000 to a 1,000,000x more energy efficient and harder to detect with some basic gear, like an IR blocking poncho. Humans are made by nature to be stealthy and efficient and excellent killing machines, robots or otherwise.
This is why the AI doomsayers annoy me so much, we are far away from that being a reality anytime soon, while the real dangers if AI are already here and being abused. Propaganda, fake news, vote manipulation, automated harassment, and artificial intelligence for politicians to learn about things they never could learn with their own miserable little brains. AI is being used for censorship, to brainwash people, and has been for many years and yet we are flooded with the endless distractions about an AI apocalypse to stear the conversation away from the actual bad that is being done today with them.
All that is required is reflexes faster than ours to make them insanely difficult to hit.
Better aim, stabilization while moving, incredible hivemind-esque team coordination.
It’s not even going to be fair.
Humans can also train too. You also can’t shoot what you don’t know is there which I guess is one of humanity’s greatest strengths. Our body’s create very little heat, are electrically neutral, and leave very little chemical trace. We can live out of a backpack for weeks or months. Not everyone is suited for that or has the knowledge but many do.
There is also just the fact that your 200,000 robot can be taken out by a round
I know you were answering the question as posed, so I’m not disputing that. But sadly that’s not the direction things are going in. We’re not going to be put down by an army of a few thousand $200,000 robots, it’ll be by an army of a billion $100 robots.
Doubtful in the beginning, but when enough cash is lost. They will develop a way to armor them against the common citizen. Then we have to move to more heavy arms fire or join an organized resistance.
Either way, fighting machines fucking sucks. They dont sleep, have emotions or get tired.
Iirc, the newer dogs are already water, emp, and small arms resistant. These are all old models. Even the newer BD project is much more advanced than these Atlas’
Iirc, the newer dogs are already water, emp, and small arms resistant.
Sure. But from what I’ve heard, they have something on the order of a 10-30 minute battery life in anything but “stand their and do surveillance” mode. From a pure calorie perspective, animatronics are still painfully inefficient compared to - say - a human with a belly full of oatmeal on a bicycle.
Even beyond that, a lot of the Elon Musk brand of robots are primarily human-operated. They need to carry around high end receivers to get far from their home base and they require a talented technician to keep them pointed in the right direction.
There’s a reason you don’t see many of these devices in the field, particularly unattended. Given the high end components that are involved in their construction, anyone with an eye for salvage will just see a walking pile of dollar signs.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
I mean, I continue to be far more worried about the human with the gun, as they’ve done a great job of terrorizing the country on their own.
Military is already giving the dogs guns and AI sight to solve that problem for you. No need to worry about some random guy shooting you. A robot drone dog will do it now if you move too suspiciously
Military is already giving the dogs guns and AI sight to solve that problem for you.
When see one outside of a Boston Dynamics sponsored museum exhibit, six feet away from it’s base station, I’ll be more worried
The police in my town use them for basic patrols. No need to be sponsored when they have gov contracts. Your taxes sponsor them
The EMP bomb that i just throw:
Why not use them to build a desalination plant?
Once a fully-automated economy comes to fruition (or at least the perception of one), billionaires think they are the only individuals enlightened and valuable enough to be worthy of its boons. Once they no longer need our labor or our consumption, we are just chaff.
Power is no fun without someone to wield it over.
They need resistance to feel powerful. God mode is boring.
Imagine killing off the poor essentially making the billionaires middle class.
Profit motives.
The desalination plant will be there and produce just enough water that only some people will die of thirst so that the rest are incentivised to toil endlessly in said desalination plant for example.
This is how our economy works.
Bcs that’s not how you maintain power, just how you maintain supply.
Supply/scarcity isn’t the issue. It’s that the bots aren’t owned by ‘the people’ who coincidentally desperately need drinking water. Increasing supply just makes them less desperate, which is bad for fair negotiations.
Why doesn’t the larger class simply eat the smaller one?
Idk.
I really don’t.
pff i got a bag of sand. it’ll fuck their joints, just gotta be patient.
Possibly, but I’ll bet it’s too coarse to get into things. Middle-east environments are likely to be well within the operating requirements for any military-hardened versions. So think: dust, dirt, dry clay, and sand.
Diatomaceous earth, and any super-fine starch that can absorb lubricants would be my best bet here. A very, very finely pulverized sand or glass might also do the job. It might also be worthwhile to see what solvents and chemicals can penetrate sealed bearings, eat wire insulation, and corrode water-resistant alloys. Heh, maybe just a jar of brake cleaner would work.
Bag of flour, then?
Don’t underestimate sand. It’s course, rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere!
Light weight means aluminum and aluminum, probably keep some galium on hand for debuff.
Just get some nitric acid, problem solved.
Middle-east environments are likely to be well within the operating requirements for any military-hardened versions.
Military shit breaks constantly. The army and navy are choke full of technicians working round the clock to maintain and repair all the high end machines we have doing our dirty work.
That some of these abominations of engineering work at all is a minor miracle. Military contractors are notorious for turning out hardware that falls apart on delivery, weighs too much to operate, and sucks up fuel like a sponge.
A very, very finely pulverized sand
i got a bag of sand
how dare you cast aspersions that i not get the good sand. i challenge you to a duel
You just know these things will get cracked and end up sitting around in teenage chavs’ back yards.
We could reprogram them to wrassle each other for the YouTubes
Why wouldn’t you have a bigger better cleaner meaner robot?
I’m too small and poor to make a robot the bigger robots will eat me
These will be protecting water from people so their server rooms get cooled down and keep feeding them commands. We’re just started building their living place. These will be looked by future robots as ancestors. We will be dinosaurs if we keep doing what we’re doing.
Imminent? This is why Sudan went to war decades ago.
The very first “real” water war is going to break out in Central Asia within the next few years. Iran, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Pakistan, and Turkmenistan are ALL having major water scarcity issues, they all rely on water intensive crops and industries to fuel their economies, they’re all trying to ramp up production despite being on the brink, they’ve all had decades of mismanagement, and a lot of their water sources are shared. In other words, these countries are so authoritarian, so corrupt, and their water resources are so horribly mismanaged that things are actually looking really bleak over there. If I was a betting man I would bet that the next major war is going to start there.
Nestle is probably already planning to steal their water and sell it to idiots as rare asian water
I only drink artisinal waters.
Notice that no engineer hangs around when these robots are walking.
I think you mean Horizon: Zero Dawn is imminent.
You mean Light of Motiram, right?
Black Mirror - Metalhead.
I could totally see a mod replacing fallow bots with these.
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“Thank you for creating soon irl content.”
MATA acquired Boston Dynamics in 2142
Are they waterproof?
Aim for the battery!
You can also shine high power lasers in their eyes. Without some mechanism to quickly block sudden brightness (tech which exists as I understand) it will burn out the camera. Battery removal is the last resort shut down procedure so the battery has to be somewhat exposed in case of emergencies. Their joints are also vulnerable, and could be gummed up.
Signal jamming, drone hacking, there’s so much potential. They scare people, but they are pretty vulnerable.
There’s nothing about a drone with a gun mounted to it that doesn’t scream “free gun”
Ah, finally, a message of hope.
if you need to get close hammers or other blunt weapons would be very effective on fragile joints and battery compartments. nice way to disable them after you fry the optics
That’s true, it would be impossible to fix.
It would cost an arm or a leg to replace it
…Dad?
Possibly!
Absolutely nothing a human can do will defend you from weaponized robots with existing technology let alone any future improvements.
Have you seen the crowd dispersal microwave guns? They point at you from meters away, you’re now getting so hot if you don’t move you’ll get burns. All they need to change them from “crowd dispersal” to “kill you” is a few extra watts or a narrower beam.
Slap one of these bad boys on top of any bad robot that can move towards targets and you’re good.
And power it how, run it from an extension cord?
You know why the drones in Ukraine are on super long fibre optic cables? Because it turns out it’s really easy to jam them and the only way you’re actually able to get a clean signal is through a cable. Either these robots are gonna be easy to jam, or you can cut the wires leading back to their handler and they’d just stop working.
There are already diy heat shields that can be made for a few dollars and have been proven against microwave emitters. You act like ppl aren’t already fighting drones and high tech weapons.
There are already diy heat shields that can be made for a few dollars and have been proven against microwave emitters. You act like ppl aren’t already fighting drones and high tech weapons.
Sure, go ahead walking around with reflective tinfoil in this scenario. The robot’s microwave gun will hate it… the automatic turret that uses a regular RGB camera will love how easy it is to track you instead.
So somehow this tiny little robot has 40 tons of equipment for every possible scenario but is able to hop around like it’s nothing but plastic and wires.
Sure…
I’m not talking about an isolated individual Rambo, I’m talking about well coordinated, disciplined guerrilla warfare.
I’m not saying the tech isn’t effective, I’m saying it’s vulnerable, and I think that the right tactics could give us an advantage.
Just the way you seem to think about these things is very silly
I’m not talking about an isolated individual Rambo, I’m talking about well coordinated, disciplined guerrilla warfare.
Unless you’re a military, you’re not fighting a hypothetical scenario where robots are being used to attack civilians, no matter what kind of power fantasy you hallucinate before sleeping.
I’m not saying the tech isn’t effective, I’m saying it’s vulnerable,
Vulnerable from other tech, not you and your friends, or me and my friends, or we all combined.
Just the way you seem to think about these things is very silly
It’s called accepting the truth that technology has far surpassed our ability to fight back against it, and the normalcy we live in is vulnerable from the moment this technology exists.
Accepting the the lies of tech corpos and learned helplessness? No thank you. “Just accepting” hopelessness is the seeds of enslavement.
The irony is you wanna paint me as having fantasies, when I’ve clearly researched this topic more than you, who just repeat police press conferences and sales materials. I have faith in the people and our ingenuity, you have faith in billionaires, professional grifters, sales reps and bureaucrats.
If we didn’t have ideological overseers like yourself enforcing the word of your lords and masters, then we would be better able to defend ourselves against police repression.
If I had to choose which was the greater threat to freedom, between people like you and the copbot, I’d pick you every single time.
AI AI-powered turret mounted on the top that has machine accuracy, super-human reflexes, and sufficient strength to carry hundreds of lbs of ammo.
You’d need ambush tactics
You’d need ambush tactics
Smoke and rockets. At least until supplies run out. Then you get crafty: sticky bombs, fire traps, optical illusions, nets…
The last one is interesting since I bet they’re not dexterous enough to undo knots, let alone handle being tangled up in something. Once you know how they’re programmed, you hit them outside that envelope.
Cool, so as long as you can shoot the inhumanly fast robot with a laser, or close the distance, work out how to remove it’s battery and then do so, or gum up its joints - before it shoots you with a bullet - you’re safe from gun-wielding robots.
Of course, protective lenses can be added to robots designed for the military or security, so even the safest of those options is unlikely to be at all feasible.
So I’m not talking about going solo against a fleet of lethal bots, I’m talking about coordinated guerilla tactics that neutralize and permanently disable them. I have a copy of the tech manual for those robot dogs, eh, somewhere on my PC. The point is you wouldn’t figure out how to remove the battery, like the previous person said, you could aim for the battery to disable it, you’d already have knowledge of it.
The lens protection that I already said exists, still blinds the camera, it just protects the camera from getting burned out. It doesn’t mean its completely ineffective, but it is a way to disable one of its primary sensors. A lot of police bots also have infrared tech, I’m not sure how that works, but its just an engineering problem.
My point is there are multiple things one could to to temporarily or permanently disable a robot that wouldn’t work on a human.
I do find of funny that you stress the AI, and that is the main flaw in your argument. You assume that these systems will actually work. A fleet of military robots sold to police doesn’t have to work, it just has to work well enough to trick dumbass bureaucrats that it works. We already know how fucked up and unreliable AI is, and you just assume in your comment that the AI works as intended. AI is a buzzword scam meant to fleece the morons in control of public funding.
If you think ai police bots are anything but a scam that couldn’t be overcome through human ingenuity, I have some waterfront property I’d love for you to take a look at
The lens protection that I already said exists, still blinds the camera, it just protects the camera from getting burned out. It doesn’t mean its completely ineffective, but it is a way to disable one of its primary sensors. A lot of police bots also have infrared tech, I’m not sure how that works, but its just an engineering problem.
All the robot then has to do is move quickly and you won’t be able to keep the laser aimed at it precisely. Extra sensors would enable it to shoot at sources of light triggering this protective mechanism, and extra cameras would make it impractical to disable all of them.
I do find of funny that you stress the AI
I didn’t mention AI.
We already know how fucked up and unreliable AI is
But since you mentioned it, computers are good enough at mapping the environment and detecting people in it for Waymo to be doing very well, meaning that robots capable of doing this kind of thing are probably already possible and held back by militaries wanting a human in the loop.
We’re imagining a dystopian future here, so it’s not like the robots need to err on the side of caution - they can just shoot anything that seems like a threat.
but its just an engineering problem.
What does this even mean in this context? The situation we’re imagining is not where you have a single problem to overcome, you design a solution, then implement it, then you’re done. It’s more like an arms race. If you engineer a solution to one problem, the next iteration of the robots will make it less effective.
The original image is a joke, because the developments in legged robots is not really what’s important here; wheeled or tracked or flying robots don’t have to solve that complicated problem and can guard the drinking water easily, too.
Idk I lost the plot at some point I just started robot posting in the middle of Walmart. Pretty silly.
For the flying drones, motors that could carry anything larger than a few kilos are like crazy expensive. So spraying or shooting something that was sticky, hard setting, or corrosive could be useful.
You could also do signal jamming, this tech already exists.
You’re not fighting the bots you’re fighting whoever sends them. So anything that disables I argue would always be possible and maybe even trivial
Frankly there’s really a lot of over thinking going on in this thread. A good toss with a molotov still solves 90% of problems.
Very practical!
I’m sorry but I’m betraying y’all for robo doggie.
Where is Murderbot when you need him?
Probably out murdering people.
Only the bad people as a treat.
But mostly suspiciously un-dehydrated homeless people.
You know, the real threats & hoarders.
