australia: $30 product, free shipping to north america, $20 shipping to australia… guess i’m subsidising y’all’s shipping while also getting fucked aye?!
Tried to buy a shirt the other day. I realized it was an Australian company when I got to checkout and shipping had $23 USD stacked on the total price to cover for duties. So it was like a $34 shirt, with $75 for shipping + duties. Oof. Did not buy.
But I’ve been assured the dirty foreigners would have to pay all the republican’s tariffs?
Or $30 product, and “sorry we don’t ship to your location”
Or the fairly regular $30 product with $75 shipping.
De Minimus got dropped last Friday in the US. This means that goods valued at less than $800US can no longer be shipped duty free. And the rules of how to go about who assesses and collects the import taxes is not clear. So many postal services around the world are now refusing to ship to the US.
And Australia is one. So you are now down to fucking yourself…
but i was already doing that
shipping TO the US though… when shipping from a lot of places in the US that say free shipping for north america and incorporating that into their product cost, we subsidise your shipping and our own exorbitant rate
Product $5 shipping $20…
Also, 20$ meal, 5$ tip VS 25$ meal, 0$ tip
Kind of different since the tip is going directly to the worker.
It isn’t though, because they still have to rip out the dishwashers, cooks, busboys etc. At that point it’s part of all those people’s wages and the price is just a deceptive lie.
I guess I was thinking delivery since the OP was about shipping. With delivery apps, the full tip goes to the driver so I always tip well.
It’s a more fair way to compare prices including comparing to buying it in a physical store.
When you buy something online, they can ship it directly from the warehouse, so they save on shelf space and the shipping to the store.
Depends on how many I’m buying and if shipping is cheaper for multiple items.
25+25+5 is cheaper than 30+30+0.
Some places don’t charge tax on the shipping so you’re paying less if you don’t choose free shipping.
In most places the tax is included in the price and often mandatory because nearly every country in the world can figure out a way to do exactly that.
Some States have exemptions on shipping charges. So you pay less sales tax if you pay $25/$5 over $30/free.
States and localities have different ways of handling sales taxes.
Not everything is about the US though
Plus, if they sell to people in the EU they need to charge VAT anyway on the shipping. Some exception apply, but you as a person will not run into them.
That’s assuming meme math.
Practically speaking, I can buy from Amazon for the same or less than a storefront. So if you’re charging me $30 at Target and $25+$5 at Amazon, its still no loss to order off my phone rather than fight the crowd at a Big Box.
That’s before the time savings of never having to leave my house to shop. For some reason, Lemmyites understand working from home as a cost savings but stumble on shopping from home.
wait what does free shipping have to do with going to the store. why are they shipping it if you’re going to the store
wait what does free shipping have to do with going to the store.
If something is shipped to you then you don’t need to spend time traveling and shopping in a big building
I’m talking about sales taxes on shipping charges.
eBay:
Item $5
Shipping $25
Makes a difference when asking for a refund. No one refunds delivery charges.
We have to buy school uniforms online. This one place shipped two pairs of pants, $20 each, same size, but one didn’t pair fit. Cost us $10 to return them. Return pricing on clothes is bullshit
Actually, in Germany shops have to also refund shipping cost. There may be exceptions for large or heavy goods that require delivery by fre8ght forwarding companies, but general parcel delivery via DHL or similar services definetly have to be refunded.
What shops are you referring to? Nothing I ever ordered refunded my delivery fee upon return. This includes but is not limited to Amazon, Ikea, Zalando, Otto, Roller, Kaufland, Lidl, Yarn Shops, DM, Mediamarkt.
Maybe you’re thinking of the shipping cost to return the product? That isn’t covered.
Also the sellers are only obligated to return the cost of the cheapest delivery option they provided.
No, that’s not it. Often there is free shipping to begin with; sometimes there isn’t.
Sometimes the shipping costs to return the product are covered, sometimes they aren’t; but when they are covered, that still doesn’t reimburse the original shipping costs if it wasn’t free shipping [to me].
I bought patches via amazon a couple of weeks ago - from a German company - with shipping costs since they weren’t part of prime. I had to send everything back and pay for the return too, was absolutely a loss on my end but the quality was too shit to keep them. None of the shipping, neither to me nor back, was refunded.
When I buy directly from companies, be it DMC, Rosie Wool (RIP), Otto - when I pay for the shipping to me I have not been refunded the cost.
§ 357 II S.1 BGB the company has to return the shipping cost. S.2 just the cheapest option though.
§ 357 V S.1 BGB the consumer has to pay for the return if the company has informed him of this fact The company may chose to pay for the return themselves.
BGB is the German civil code. This particular was derived as a national implementation of the EU law for the protection of the consumer and should be implemented in a similar way in all of the EU.
All shops I ever had something to return to with refunding instead of replacements. I always had the full price refunded without hassle including shipping costs. But iirc in those cases I returned the purchase completely.
Wzf, it’s true. Brudi, I thought I was on top of my rights as a consumer.
Thinking about it, I think I’ve only ever returned partial shipments - which seems to be one of the cases where the law isn’t clear.
Super nice to know in any case!
A lot of webshops in The Netherlands refund the full purchase price including shipping and the bigger once also pay for the return shipment.
When you get a refund if doesn’t include shipping. So yep.
Under EU consumer law, it’s a requirement for the seller to refund you the shipping cost as well, unless you paid for extras like faster delivery. I understand that’s not a thing in the States, though.
What? I had no idea? So that should be automatic, but I don’t recall this being offered last time I considered a refund for something I paid shipping on. How would one refer to that to have the company accept those terms?
Edit: wait, you mean just the shipping of how the product got to you? Or also the shipping to send back the product for a refund?
Yep it’s the return shipping that gets you. I order from REI but the closest store is 2 hours so I go 1-2x a year. Often my orders have free shipping but return shipping is prohibitively expensive. This keeps me from buying some things from their online store, either waiting to go in person or ordering it somewhere else. Or most likely, paying a bit more to get something similar locally.
Contact your CC company. My wife recently had to return a box to France and it cost her $75 of her $200 refund. She later found out her credit card would have covered the shipping if she had called them first.
This is fine by me as it makes comparing prices cheaper when I’m trying to avoid Amazon. I remember once recently I tried to avoid Amazon and found some website where it was a couple of quid cheaper so I went with it. First I had to create an account, then I had to let them save my payment details, then they added tax to the item, then they added delivery, then they added tax on the delivery, then I remember some other arbitrary admin fee or something, and at the end it was nearly twice the price. So I told them to delete my account and I went with Amazon.
I frequently have the impression that kind of behavior is just a front for harvesting data.
$30 and a $5 discount when picking up at the shop
Literally a good tip if you sell on ebay.
If you’re selling an instrument on reverb, absolutely do this. People balk at shopping price concerns. Say you cover it, raise your ask.
I buy on reverb quite a bit and with expensive music grear I’m suspicious of free shipping. I’d much rather pay for shipping to ensure they actually package and ship it with care.
With free shipping, if it’s packed like shit I can’t really complain, if I spend $30, on shipping and it’s packed like shit, I’m gonna question it
Yeah, as a buyer I’d agree.
But your average buyer is dumb.
$2500 vintage guitar would not sell
$2600 vintage guitar shipping included sold within a week.
Yea, people don’t wanna see the + shipping. Higher price with free shipping sells more.
Buying on Ali Express:
- Buy for $2
- Click on item
- $75 shipping cost
- No way to sort by total cost
Buying on Ali Express/Temu/Ebay
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Item I want is listed for $20
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Click item
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It’s actually a 15cm USB-C cable for $20, the actual item which is ‘color B’ is $75
Time to build an alternative Aliexpress client that shows all that right in the search overview.
In brazil: 400 reais item clicks it Actually 700 with taxes.
Same in Europe when buying from North America stores. Listed price is 100 USD so I assume it will be 100 EUR, by the time I received the item I have paid close to 160 EUR and often you need to spend going through filling in your information before it gives you that total price and sometimes they unfairly compete with their prices before tax with other stores with prices after tax. Which is illegal, but hey/
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This has not been my experience at all, delivery is almost always free for purchases over something like $20.
You can forget entirely about returns though, zero chance to get one of those to work
We must be shopping for different kinds of things, though I have exaggerated the shipping costs, I find it hard to work out what the cheapest item is. I have also commonly found what someone else mentioned, that they have different items for each “colour”, and have something cheap on one colour and the thing you actually want for a lot more on another colour. You search for the thing you want, and it comes up in the search showing the price for the thing you don’t want because the system things they are different colours of the same thing when it’s not.
The color-thing is a bit of a gotcha, yeah.
I’ve never had a single issue with returns on Aliexpress
I’ve never bothered since I rarely buy expensive stuff there. It’s not worth the bother.
There’s not even anything-close to a 100% chance you will even get your items.
If you don’t get your stuff, AliExpress will return your money, in my experience
No way to sort by total cost
But you can filter by free shipping.
Anyway, yeah, what an irrational decision the OP discovered.
I’ve found the Lowe’s site/app is even worse, you can sort by cost but it will “categorize” them so it shows the more expensive items first then lists the next set in cost order. I would rather just not have the option.
That sounds terrible 😐
Imagine, some website developer got asked to spend hours designing a complicated sort that made for a worse experience than a basic search.
On sites where people tend to sort by low price, keep shipping separate.
On sites where people buy based on emotion, give free shipping to improve conversion rates and close the deal.
Or don’t hack peoples brains and just say hey here is product, you want it? Click here.
It’s a rat race. If you don’t, someone will and you lose.
Lose what?
Edit: I ask that because I work for a company (very small) as a software engineer and we would never treat our clients like this. We are fair and quite for work, if the client changes what they want halfway then guess what, we are fair and just do the work.
Never lost a client and don’t need to advertise for new business because shocking as it seems doing good work actually gets you more work.
I don’t know if an software engineering company’s relationship to clients is very fitting to this example of non-commercial end-user consumerism of physical products. I mean, I agree with you, but I don’t get the feeling your company does many physically shipped sales and your company probably mostly works other small companies.
people buy based on emotion
Not me. I ask the AI to do all my shopping, because it is perfectly logical and always performs the optimal action.
Oh, hey, incidentally I now have an order of 265 dozen eggs on my front porch.
How in Lemmy hell you managed to make an “AI = Bad” post in this thread is beyond me.
Spoken like a man who doesn’t eat enough eggs
Ordering on aliexpress:
$5 item, free shipping but it crosses the ocean on the back of the next available sea turtle, and if you have any issues they’ll send you a replacement component and a loose guide on how to desolder the old component and solder the new component.
