If Cuomo voters snake the election from Mamdani I hope Cuomo has his rapey fingers crushed in a subway.

The US has been putting migrants in camps since the Obama days. Democrats are just better at pretending they don’t do it

And it seems to me like the main reason the dems are unhappy with his win is that even though he won a primary, he is not very likely to win the election given American fear of socialism.

Thanks for showing everyone here how the invalid Neoliberal strategy of blaming voters keeps failing.

At least a communist can goddamn read

I wouldn’t say that looking at all these tankies and illiterates in Russia and China.

You call this “talking to”?

I meant like if everyone in the Independent group voted D, for clarity

s/fascists/capitalists/gic;

also the same people parrot third party almost never follow through and actually vote, thats why Rs win most elections, they all vote the same way, or the most part are consistent in thier beliefs, eventhough they are terrible ones.

The reason was because honestly Biden didn’t do a lot of good. He is obviously much better than trump which is why I voted for Harris in the most recent election but he and therefore Harris were essentially gay Republicans. They wanted to do the same shit on the border as Trump they were just the watered down version of the Republicans. They wouldn’t have been as awful as Trump is now but they would still have been bad. If you don’t give a left voter base a left candidate they won’t vote for them. It is not the fault of the voters but instead the fault of the party and awful candidate choice.

You being incapable of understanding the reasons people choose not to vote isn’t going to make more people vote.

You will never shame people into voting for you lol. It’s a fool’s dream.

I also saw some folks claiming they voted Trump to “provoke revolutionary situation”. So there’s also that.

Because you’re lying. Progressives hold their nose and vote for centrists, but that loyalty only goes one way. Centrists sabotage progressive candidates. Centrists would rather lose to a Republican than see a Progressive win.

The problem is you’re lying. Progressives hold their nose and vote for Centrists, but Centrists never return the favor. “Vote Blue No Matter Who” is a cudgel used by traitors to the party who just want to silence Progressive voices. Those same people then turn around and fight against Progressives every time they manage to win a primary. How can you see what’s going on with Mamdani and learn nothing from it?

This is way more convincing than electoral data.

The one guy who says he voted third party spoiled Harris’ victory?

Show me the numbers.

Even this thread seems to be packed with third party voters trying to defend their support for fascism with the excuse “It’s not my fault I voted third party, I don’t understand American politics”

Could you link them? Because I only see one person even saying they didn’t vote Democrat.

You mean Russian bots and 50-cent PLA agents? I don’t think they vote in the US. Or at all.

Do you have, you know, any numbers showing that third parties spoiled it for democrats?

I remember having arguments with these Blue MAGA muppets during the election. I kept trying to explain to them why it was insanity to pretend the economy was fine. But they were morons with a 1984 streak that would make Orwell blush, and thought they could just manifest their way to an election victory. They kept citing CPI data, saying, “but inflation adjusted wages have never been higher!” When you pointed out that inflation purposefully leaves out a lot of the volatility in prices people were reeling from, and how not all income groups experience inflation equally? They didn’t want to hear it.

Remember the absolutely insulting, just disgustingly condescending term “vibession?” I do. That term alone probably cost Kamala the election. The only thing that makes people angrier than having to deal with a rotten economy is to have their leaders gaslight them and pretend nothing is wrong.

These morons didn’t want to hear it. They have a three monkeys belief system. Just ignore all problems, pretend everything is fine, and just try to bluff your way to victory on election day. You point out the suicidally stupid policies that were killing the Kamala campaign, and they just acted like three year olds saying, “harumf, I guess you want Trump to win!”

This is exactly what people are referring to when they describe liberal arrogance. Criticism is unacceptable. Shut up and tow the line. Vote Blue No Matter Who (unless there’s a progressive on the ticket.)

we need to be honest with ourselves.

Being angry at republicans for blowing up the government is reasonable.

It’s also reasonable to be angry at the democrats, who sat around watching them work towards blowing up the government for fifty years and being like “hurrdurr FAIRNESS!” while doing nothing to stop it.

I cast my vote and played your stupid game. What have you done besides lick blue boot?

You’re right. Republicans are awful. Trump is awful. The Republicans handed the election to Democrats on a silver platter, and the DNC still managed to fuck it up.

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what about the former statement makes yours occur?

You know I’ve had a DNC member admit to me that they intentionally kill primary campaigns, right?

Lose rigged primaries

And it worked out great for Gaza!

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That poll says nothing about non-voters

But also:

The Democratic Party needs to come to terms with the real reasons it lost the presidency in November, including that after over a year of unprecedented protests and calls for Biden to stop sending weapons to Israel, party leadership failed to listen to its own voters who overwhelmingly want their government to end its complicity in Israel’s genocide in Gaza.

Okay and? When you have numbers nearly reaching 40%, what you’re looking at isn’t hyper-radical moral purity leftists; the majority of these people are almost certainly everyday people who also happen to have something resembling a conscience. There’s still no evidence to support a crusade against radical commies who ruined everything, which are clearly the people being addressed/mocked here.

It’s all she had to do: promise to not send a single dime to genocidal fascists. she had years of opportunity to fight her own president for that kind of change too.

Even just staying silent on the issue would be enough to differentiate her from Biden for many. She couldn’t even avoid talking about how much she hated college students, but yet people act surprised those demographics didn’t go out to vote. Weird how insulting potential voters and explicitly telling them you don’t care about their vote leads to not getting their vote.

the democrat party

Propaganda.

(for the unaware: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet))

Definitely true; I’m only quoting the data.

Hmm, maybe, it is always hard to prove an effect like that. Best one could do is exit polling with specific questions of what influenced the decision, and other polls in general. I was interested what polling was available there, most I found was just non-voters as a larger group, which seems to be predominately non-politically engaged and mostly centrist. One article I have found seems to indicate the non-voting Democrats don’t really fit the narrative of being swayed by radical left influencers and agitprop either.

I am also unsure how visible those kind of influencers were on mainstream social media, as I am not active there at all. I always had the feeling they were mostly visible in their own bubbles and by people who got angry at them, thus also getting them served by the algorithms. Their effect on motivating people to stay home, I’d be genuinely interested in seeing in polling numbers, but I sadly could not find any polls with questions like “who influenced your decision to not vote”.

In general, psychology-wise, I think motivating people to stay home that would have voted otherwise is I believe a much lower effect, than the failure in motivating people to get up and vote, who would have stayed home otherwise. Which was not the responsibility of those commie influencers the way I estimate it. However - I admit there may have been an effect: By inducing fatigue in activists that had to argue with them, taking away time and resources for trying to reach and motivate properly undecided non-voters.

Ah, thank you, my search-fu did not provide me good numbers like that.

However, unless I am misreading them heavily, those numbers don’t seem to lay out what you mention. They are exclusively about “Biden 2020 Voters Who Cast A Ballot For Someone Besides Harris”. Again - I don’t think that group is large enough, because even combined, all the left-of-Democrats third party votes seem to be negligible. That is “29% of voters nationally who voted for Biden in 2020 and cast a ballot for someone besides Kamala Harris in 2024”. So, again, if I combine Jill Stein, Cornell West, and Claudia De la Cruz, that is 0.72% of the popular vote. Even with a naive calculation of taking all 29% of those that would then be commies like that, that seems like not enough to put Trump into office, unless highly concentrated in very embattled swing states.

EDIT: OK, I forgot, that means also people voting Trump, not just third party. So the influence could theoretically be more. But I doubt commie agitprop pushed a lot of people to outright voting Trump.