I’ve been in both camps over the years and it’s only the assholes that you remember.
was this study made by cyclists?
Look, as long as they’re not right in front of me slowing me down, there won’t be a problem, I either got shit to do or I really have to use the bathroom in those instances
What happened to the old stuy?
This “new” study is from 2018?
Well, then that would still mean cyclists endanger a lot less people than car drivers.
I think it depends on definitions. I treat stops like yields as do many cyclists I know and many places have codified it into law but many have not.
This is counterbalanced in the tally by most drivers speeding all the time.
In my area of London, I’d say 80-90% of cyclists think red lights don’t apply to them. I’ve even been sworn at by another cyclist for stopping at a traffic light.
The illegal ebike users are the worst. My ex saw one hit a woman with two kids, because he just zoomed past a red when it was green man at the crossing.
Cyclists are the reason I’ve gone back to public transport. I actually felt safer on my cycle commute on the high road with cars, than I did on dedicated cycle lanes 😞
I still prefer walking over biking over transit with cars being only if no other option but yeah I have had the cyclist who is annoyed at me for following the law but to be fair I have also gotten that with cars. I was hit from behind by a guy who accelerated as I breaked as the light turned yellow. Then when he came out he said. Oh well I did not expect you to stop short like that. WTF!
Sure, but most car drivers also fail to come to a complete stop as well.
True and that is why I do the yield sign thing. Im pretty much not slowing down but not accelerating. Just coasting through while I keep an eye on if I need to stop. Bikes moves so slowly relative to cars that most cars “stop” is not much slower than my coast.
At lights? I constantly see cyclists go through reds because no car is coming.
At stop signs, or right turns at lights, most vehicles roll through slowly instead of coming to a complete stop, basically the exact same action a bike takes. At least where I live it’s perfectly legal for bikes to run stop signs, so long as it wouldn’t be anyone else’s right of way. But it’s not legal for cars to do it, yet they mostly do.
Edit: passing through a red on a bicycle or motorcycle is also legal pretty much everywhere so long as no one else has the right of way. Many lights have proximity sensors that fail to detect bikes, so they have to let it happen or you could be stuck at a light until a car comes.
I call bull shit that motorcycles can go through red lights.
Do you think motorcycles are required to just sit at a light all day long? Some lights these days are only triggered by large metal objects, motorcycles are often not detected. The light will never change if a car or truck doesn’t come.
https://legalclarity.org/when-can-motorcycles-legally-run-red-lights/
This article only lists some states, but I know it’s legal in Minnesota since 2002, so it’s definitely not an exhaustive list.
Surely you can see that this is literally the worst possible thread to come and bitch about cyclists NOT FUCKING HURTING ANYONE.
Fuck off.
Not surprising that the rate of driver compliance was found to be 15% – because that is the number traffic engineers shoot for. For example, when a traffic survey finds more than 15% drivers are exceeding the speed limit then the speed limit gets raised. Similarly, if enough drivers are observed running a red light, then the yellow time gets extended. Or if drivers aren’t yielding at a crosswalk, then the crosswalk is removed.
By contrast, if a large number of cyclists are observed running a stop sign on a quiet street then the local police conducts a sting operation…
Well if you almost clip me on your bike as a pedestrian because you refuse to stop at any stop signs, I’m gonna kick your rear tire. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Fair. If someone almost clips you in their car because they ran a stop sign, you’re lucky to be alive lmao
not a high bar to pass though
How could they? There are WAY more traffic laws for cars.
Not really. The only car-specific parts traffic laws are about keeping the car in working order and behaviour on car-only roads.
On the other hand, bike-specific parts of traffic laws are about keeping the bike in working order and behaviour on cycling lanes.
But for the most part car-laws also apply to cyclists going on the road.
Fuck cars and up with cycling and bike infrastructure and all that but unless this study is more specific than the article states, it’s useless. And if it is more specific this article may be misleading.
It just gives a percentage of “in compliance with traffic laws” and doesn’t give a breakdown of what laws. Since most drivers speed at least a little quite often, and most cyclists are incapable of speeding anywhere near as much, what laws are the cyclists breaking to get them as low on compliance as drivers? If it’s stop signs and red lights, that is right in line with the stereotype of them being dangerous scofflaws the article is saying this study shows is incorrect.
The only time I’ve seen a cyclist stop for a red light is when I stare them down while crossing the bike lane with my small child. Rest of the time it’s tally ho motherfuckers. NYC specifically
Some biker flipped me off just because I honked at him and flipped him off for running a red in a busy intersection. Pisses me off.
But i love bikes, and hate cars. Still want nore bike infrastructure
I drive and cycle.
When I’m riding my bike and break traffic rules, I’m a suicidal idiot.
When I’m driving my car and break traffic rules, I’m a dangerous menace to others.
Drivers don’t get to clutch pearls when their actions directly cause death and injury to others. A cyclist riding like an idiot is like a motorcyclist without a helmet - the vast majority of the danger is on themselves.
Sometimes breaking traffic laws is literally the safer option. The laws are written for cars not people on bikes. Me sitting in the turning lane between a bunch of massive trucks hoping people notice my bike with a flag on the back and remember I’m there when the light changes. Or I ride on the sidewalk and use the crosswalk. Technically one is legal and the other is not (depending on the local laws obviously).
Seriously though. I got the flag after the first time a massive truck pulled up behind me. Realized they literally could forget I’m there their Field of view is so bad.
I really don’t know how they are legal. I mean I do. But they shouldn’t be. Only thing that big should literally require a commercial license and a valid reason for use.
they literally could forget I’m there their Field of view is so bad
I’m a school bus driver and last year we had an incident where I was behind another bus driver and we were both waiting to turn left at an intersection. While our light was still red, a cyclist rode up on the right and came to a stop right next to the bus ahead of us. I was like “that dude is gonna get hit” and sure enough when the driver ahead of me made her left turn, her tail swing clipped the cyclist and knocked him over. I had tried to warn her but our radios don’t work half the time.
The dude was unhurt but irate and after we’d pulled over I had to stand in front of the guy and physically prevent him from climbing on her bus while he yelled. I’m also an avid cyclist and I told him it was entirely his fault for creeping up next to a school bus, which is an even worse thing to do than with most trucks because of how much bus protrudes behind the rear wheels (which causes the tail swing when turning). He of course refused to see this - he cycles around our district a lot and is one of those insane people who thinks bicycling on the wrong side of the road against traffic is a smart thing to do, even around blind turns.
This honestly seems like an entirely normal, acceptable, and possibly legal thing to do. It is safer for cyclists making turns to get out ahead of traffic, so that turning traffic hasn’t accelerated by the time the encounter the cyclist. And moving to the front of traffic between lanes is the same maneuver as motorcycle filtering, which is allowed in many areas as it improves both safety and traffic flow.
Imo, fault lies on the operator of the multi-ton vehicle who went through special training to learn how to safely operate said vehicle, the government for any lack of appropriate training, the vehicle manufacturer for creating such blind spots on their vehicle, and again, the government for not recognizing these blind spots and making modifications to the vehicle to account for them.
I cycle daily and drive once or twice week.
When I’m riding a bike and break traffic rules, i do it carefully and slowly; knowing that those rules are made mostly to protect users from motorized speed (and mass that’s unnecessarily getting even bigger with each passing year)
When I’m driving a car, i never break traffic rules; knowing how dangerous a car is.
having wrote that, I see bikers and e-scooters running red lights into traffic, forcing cars to stop in order not to kill them. I don’t get it.
I used to live in center city Philadelphia and it was very common to see cyclists sailing through red lights, not only without stopping but without even looking to see if there was cross-traffic coming. I just don’t understand how they could do this without dying at incredibly high rates, given that cars there don’t pay much mind to red lights either. Bike fatalities are very common in Philly, but it’s usually some law-abiding cyclist in a bike lane getting flattened by a truck making a right turn.
I think that depends on country…
“Cyclists should give way to pedestrians on shared use cycle tracks and to horse riders on bridleways.” - nope, you hear a bell you dodge as they’re not slowing down. Happens every time I use a shared path.
“Only pedestrians may use the pavement. Pedestrians include wheelchair and mobility scooter users.” - nope, we get plenty mounting the pavement illegally; again, you hear a bell and you dodge. Happens 1–2 times a day on my trip to work.
I reckon people in a hurry just bend the rules more readily than people taking their time.
Yes. Even accounting for those idiots, car drivers still break more traffic laws. And it’s exponentially more dangerous when they do. This is what the article is getting at.
This seems right for NYC, in that I see both bikes and cars frequently running through reds and riding where they aren’t supposed to be
When I visited my friends in NYC they had a rule about 2 wheelers not stopping but 4 wheelers will stop. I was only there a few days but crossing the bike lane when I had the right of way as a pedestrian was scarier than crossing the street.
Oh 4 wheelers don’t stop half the time. You have to lock eyes with the driver and assert dominance as a pedestrian so they understand that you will sue them for everything they’re worth if they touch you.
I almost got run over once by a guy flooring it in reverse out of a side street, turning sharply because he didn’t realize it was a one way, to give you an idea or the drivers there
I see you’ve never been hit by a truck.
