funny how you never hear from the “cold dead hands” guys when tyranny actually happens
that’s what my ex wife called me
“good morning cold dead hands 😘”
that’s what my ex wife called me
Thats strange, she called me “warm lively hands”
You can be certain that a lot of concealed carry leftist will actively respond if something like this happens near/to them.
Lol
Lmao even
Rofls4realz
i hope so, but the people I’m referring to aren’t leftists. they’re the people who oppose any and all regulation and cite being able to defend against tyranny as the ostensible reason.
yet when this shit happens they’re awfully quiet. because they’re full of shit and fucking love tyranny.
I generally agree. I had one neighbor that always voted straight ticket and was a gun nut with a screw loose. Not a fan of tyranny though. I think losing his brother in Vietnam put a fire in his soul.
For real! People are just so fucking stupid.
Is it legal in the US to shoot people who are trying to kidnap you?
I mean, anyone can go around claiming to be law enforcement or ICE or whatever, but with no badge or ID, how are people supposed to know that this isn’t a gang trying to trafic them?
In vast majority of states there is a stand-your-ground law in place, which means you’re explicitly allowed to use deadly force if you reasonably believe that you’re defending yourself from a violent crime, and in minority there is a duty to retreat while outside of your home or workplace, which means that you still are allowed to use deadly force, but you have to try to retreat first, and only use force if you are reasonably sure that you can’t run away.
Kidnapping by a group of people in plain clothes in an unmarked van is explicitly stated as an example of a case where use of deadly force is permitted by law.you’re almost there
I think that would count as self defence.
but would the court?
I’m pretty sure self defence doesn’t apply against law enforcement, even if you don’t know they are law enforcement.
There have been cases where firing upon law enforcement who failed to adequately identify as such has counted as self defence
It may not, but imo you do what you have to do to protect yourself against aggravated kidnapping, and then hope you/your lawyer can articulate how/why you did what you did later in court.
Third term? I’d be glad if we came to terms with it by his 6th term.
I am fully prepared for writing off this entire fucking generation.
We’re going to enter dictatorship, tyranny, wars without end, mass waves of poverty, degradation of all our comforts and rights, and techno-feudalism and the average American literally- Does. Not. Care.
This is the way the pendulum swings sometimes. A massive group of people have to literally fucking rot in misery for no reason before their kids grow up and start anew with renewed energy and drive. I know this generation certainly doesn’t have it. Let’s not be fooled by millions of people turning out for celebratory marches on a single weekend. We all know that won’t do anything and it will be a miracle if we can muster up enough group momentum to even get that again.
You may be prepared to give up, but the rest of us aren’t. I hope you find your hope before it’s too late.
going on a half-century and seeing everyone make the same stupid mistakes over and over, seeing generations not only not pass down wisdom but actively abandon the next generation over and over, it makes it hard to have hope.
I respect and support anyone trying to make change, I will continue to do what I can in my situation, but I don’t have expectations anymore. At a point I’ll be retreating to the woods with my loved ones to close out the world and spend more time gardening than scrolling.
and seeing everyone make the same stupid mistakes over and over
Propaganda has improved. People don’t have communities. It’s worse. People have to be more clever than before to compensate.
Who’s the rest of us? As far as I can tell, there isn’t anybody actually doing shit. Well, maybe one or two people. And a misguided and toothless protest isn’t going to achieve anything, no matter how many people show up. I hope you find your rest of us before it’s too late.
The top 10% with an absolute absurd amount of the wealth are the ones that don’t care. Their miney, therefore their lifestyle seems safe.
The poorest idiots care deeply but think Trump is on their side and will come down to sweep them up right before it gets really miserable cause he needs to break standards of living for all the rich for them to rise up.
What will get people to finally pivot is unknowable. It will be when there is nothing left to lose, probably. If that ever happens without help from the outside, I dunno. It’s not like Germans could Stop Germany from the inside or Japan it’s fascism, or any other group.
But I think it’s wrong to say the average American doesn’t care. The over represented, as always, dont care, which includes out government. The average American agrees deeply we just don’t have much power and all disagree on the solution.The average American agrees deeply we just don’t have much power and all disagree on the solution.
And this has been a manufactured outcome. The average american is a victim of several different competing and collaborating forces who used the KGB playbook to amplify all the worst takes on both sides of every social issue in America. This isn’t wild conspiracy talk, it was exposed, we
havehad a CIA department developed just to combat this tactic. It’s been done in other places to great success as well. It’s part of the recipe for taking down entire nations.What happens is when every social issue, no matter how small or benign or silly, gets amplified on social media to absurd levels of contention and confusion and then boosted to national news outlets, it leaves citizens tired, confused and checked out on literally everything. Nobody cares about making their world better because they don’t know how to take cues from others anymore. So now when the state delivers messages, people default to agreeing with it. It’s why we have people believing the silliest nonsense that the Trump administration pushes out, it’s why people elected him and the rest didn’t even care enough to vote.
This has all been the product of people with the wealth to hire farms of trolls and influencing agents spread through every level of our society in ways both subtle and overt. If you can break a society you can then reshape it into whatever you want.
Yeah, pretty depressing huh?
Hopefully effort becomes cool again.
Hopefully effort becomes cool again.
This is a succinct line about the state of things.
I talk to a lot of young men who are being pulled right towards people like Andrew Tate and his spawn, because they’re confused and angry that they can’t get dates and don’t have friends, meanwhile they don’t talk with any level of passion or pride about anything in their lives, make no effort to take care of themselves or have pride in their clothes, their presentation or their way of speaking, when they’re around other guys it’s the Sarcasm Olympics, and anyone who talks frankly about their feelings gets mocked… and then these guys will go on to scream how they deserve more from others and how they’re victims.
“We did not know, but even if we could what could we do?”
Sigh
The guys so old, I’m not sure hell make it through this term. He’s clearly not well, but that’s what makes this all crazier. Dems at least knew to kick out their senile old man, how the Republicans are okay with this is wild.
They’re okay with it bc Trump has a cult and many of his cult members are the ones voting the other republicans into office. If they kick out trump, they kick out a bunch of their voter base. Because unfortunately there’s a larger amount of non-cultist republicans that will still vote republican but just not for trump bc “there’s a difference” between the guy doing the bad things and all his best friends “begrudging” helping him do the bad things apparently. Basically they’re delusional about how politics actually work
Cracks me the fuck up the rest of the world thinks this now.
This has been the case since Bush passed Citizens United and it was even happening before that. RIP Rosenbergs.
Not every bad law is fascism.
I would say only in a vacuum.
I thought Citizens United was an Obama thing. Are you sure you don’t mean the Patriot Act?
I thought it was a Supreme Court thing? What did Obama do?
It happened during the Obama administration but it was in response to shit under Bush from people being critical of him/his admin. Obama did not support Citizens United.
If you see Ice agents covering their faces, call 911 and report a masked man with a gun.
Please forgive my ignorance but isn’t the police force in USA known for its violence and profiling? Wouldn’t they be “in” on it, too?
ICE isn’t alerting local law enforcement of what’s happening. They get a call about a masked gunman and they’ll show up.
Can the police do anything when they show up? Aren’t ICE federal agents and above the local police’s jurisdiction?
From what I’ve seen (admittedly completely online anecdotes), the ICE agents flee before the local pd show up because theyre cowards
When local police show up, they’ll make the ICE agents identify themselves.
Shoot first, ask questions later
Finally, some thing they are good for!
Doubt. Lotta local pd at some of these raids.
And get hauled away anyway.
You don’t have to be the one being targeted to act against them. If I see gestapo going after someone, I’ll make the call even though I don’t fit the profile of who they’re targeting today.
Cops are there in minutes when seconds count.
You must live in a nice neighborhood. In my experience when seconds count cops show up in hours.
Lie and say they looked black so police show up faster and use their guns before asking to identify.
Police are more likely to show up and open fire on the civilians
What pic are they referencing?
All of them. Every picture of ICE agents and many law-enforcement personnel in the US are now hiding their faces as standard practice and we all just kinda shrugged and took it as given, because the dudes on the cover of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 83 wear face masks so it’s just what badass dudes do, right??
It’s called “disappearing someone” and it was something that was supposedly done by dictators and tyrants.
Like today’s USA.
Apt
There’s gotta be
criminalsnon-ICE who exploit this. Like it must be so easy now for ransomers to kidnap somebody.Thanks. Google was serving me nothing but slop
as if by design…
Thanks. Since moving from Reddit to Lemmy, I’ve become way more aware of what I’m clicking on. I’m pretty sure the amp project links are just for mobile phones n stuff, but it’s good to be aware
Did you not see the security company guy who dressed as a cop and murdered a state senator, her husband, and shot another state senator?
But see, it was the other team, so it’s okay.
What may have been the largest organized protests in American history were just a few days back, the president has record-breakingly low approval, even his own party’s talking heads are turning against him. If you’re not going to be satisfied by anything short of armed uprising then at least be brave enough to say as much, but pretending that Americans just don’t see anything wrong and aren’t doing anything is an act of wilful and blatant ignorance.
You know what Hitler did when he had low approval? He made disapproving illegal.
Just wait for it.
I wouldn’t rest on your laurels just yet. You’ll know when you’ve begun to turn the tide because the beast will lash out. The restraint we are seeing right now just means they’ve got a whole lot more in the tank.
You dont have to look further than last October to see this same type of hubris play out. Kamala has d momentum and there was 100% a point where if the vote happend then she would have won. For what ever reason they backed off on the “weird” stuff and started rolling out the neocons. The DNC is going to fuck you and you wont even see it coming.
You’re only proving that you don’t actually have any idea what’s going on here, acting like we’re resting on our laurels because there was a big protest. Nobody here is thinking “Yeah we made ourselves heard, job’s done!” Nobody here says the fight is won, but you’re out here acting like nothing is being done at all.
No. Im pushing like I’ve been pushing for the last 8 years. Grow up.
I am pro-border in the fact that I think borders serve an important purpose and that laws surrounding immigration should exist and be enforced. That said, I think fixing immigration requires following the god damned laws and constitution, you don’t enforce the law by breaking it. Fuck! Immigration courts and the entire immigration bureaucracy needs to be beefed up to handle this, and law enforcement of any kind needs to be working under the judicial system. Warrants are needed, you can’t suspend habeas corpus, cops should never be masked and anonymous, and all law enforcement should be held to a higher standard than everyone else.
I think Trump is causing the legitimate action of enforcing our laws to look bad, and he is harming law and order for decades or longer. It should not be controversial to enforce laws, and if it is those laws need to be changed.
Despite how scofflaw this administration is, however, I do not think Trump will run for a third term. I don’t think we as a country or even the Republican party as a whole is willing to that blatantly flout the constitution, and I think that at least 60% of both parties want what is best for the country. I don’t think actual Nazis or true jackbooted fascists are more than 10% of the right (I can’t believe I now think it’s that high), but do believe 20-30% are exploited by grifters and opportunists. That might be naive, but it seems like.everyone is abandoning their faith in the fundamental good of others all across the country/world and I think that is sad.
We could spend all day throwing out numbers, making predictions, arguing over facts, and burning each other out. We could parade around our favorite talking heads and share link after link that proves our exact point. These are the mechanisms of control. These are weeds that grow faster than any one person can cut them back.
We’ve given so much of our lives to serve some cause that none of us believe in. Now your very liberty is under threat, if only you had the eyes to see it.
We could spend all day throwing out numbers, making predictions, arguing over facts
I’m with you! I hate numbers, and facts!
/s
Wow, you really understood what I was talking about. So impressed.
The only reason he wouldn’t run for a third term is if he died in office. Which he probably will either way since I’m not expecting those elections to be fair. (I know it sounds crazy but they’ve broken so much in just 5 months and we’re on the verge of war and martial law.)
And he has incentive to stay in office too: the main reason he ran was to stay out of prison. It was either prison or president.
That would require the federal election committee to violate the constitution by putting him on the ballot, then the same for every State government. This is an order of magnitude beyond the attempts to keep him off the ballots for Jan 6, as he was never convicted of or tried for it. The Supreme Court would need to destroy the constitution to rule favorably on it, and thus remove all their own power as the third branch of government.
The US is not yet as corrupt as the CCP or Russia, and Trump doesn’t have the political and personal capital of Xi or Putin to rewrite the constitution to allow more/unlimited presidential terms.
I’m not holding my breath, honestly. A Democrat was shot and killed in her home by a MAGA terrorist and the GOP is taking the piss. They might not be there yet, but the intention is loud and clear.
Now? You think this happens at the drop of a hat? The entire system is built that way since decades.
Right? The fuck these people think Vietnam was?
I think a lot of people realize that trump is increasing the power of the govt, but the word fascist means different things to different people. Everyone thinks Hitler was a fascist, that Mussolini was one, but theres tons of people who oppose trump and think he fits into a different description that doesn’t involve fascism. And ofc the people who do support him don’t think he is and the ones that do are chill with it.
Everyone thinks Hitler was a fascist, that Mussolini was one, but theres tons of people who oppose trump and think he fits into a different description that doesn’t involve fascism.
And they would be wrong and they are failing to remain vigilant
Pussy-assed liberal bitches- plenty on this site, btw- refuse to accept the responsibility of picking up a goddamn gun and swarming the streets and studios. They have NO fucking idea who they’re dealing with, and they STILL think that you can debate and reason with violent, psychotic Nazi animals.
Pussy-assed liberal bitches in Congress refuse to accept that waiting until the mid-terms- which will SURELY swing in their favor!- to do something is a VERY VERY VERY VERY BAD BAD BAD IDEA.
Yeah go ahead with your bullshit tHaT mAkEs YoU tHe rEaL nAzI! argument, you stupid fucking limpdick shitlib cucks.
