Windows: would you like to
collect your datapersonalize your system?Options are: Yes, or Ask In 3 days
Where’s the fuck off option M$ ?
You must be shit at setting up your computer… I’ve never had that happen once. Yes it can restart once or twice in the process of updating, but it finishes up with a full shutdown nicely.
turn off and touch gass
Windows update fucked up my dual boot. It managed to somehow through a RAM error from the BIOS on every boot. Fuck Windows. I don’t want updates which I don’t even notice.
Might as well add regular “shutdown” as an “option” too
I wanted to make this meme for the nth time my Lenovo rebooted (and left at the login screen) when I chose update and shutdown
It’s not just me?! I thought my PC was buggered
Windows is so full of stupid little shit that should have been fixed years - if not decades - ago. Sleep mode broken, folder customize options don’t apply to subfolders despite offering that choice, the OP. Sigh.
Microsoft should be responsible for when I close my laptop and then it starts a fucking fire in my backpack. that shit should have been fixed YEARS ago.
Set it to hibernate when you close the lid. It’s a full shutdown so the sleep timers don’t run, but the ram contents are kept, so it’s only slightly slower than starting from sleep.
That should be the default, but OEMs are weird.
Unpopular opinion: The most-used operating system in the world must automatically apply security updates, eventually even overriding user preference if people never restart.
Right now it’s Windows. If someday it’s Ubuntu, they should do it too. If they don’t, we’d see giant botnets of every computer that people don’t want to update, all compromised by exploits.
To be clear, this doesn’t excuse MS for abusing this update cycle to push shitty products or AI features.
I’m using windows. Istg every update I get fucks something up. and no matter how hard I try to disable windows updates, even forcibly, they keep coming back
The meme isn’t complaining about auto-updates. The meme is complaining that “Update and Shutdown” doesn’t actually turn off the PC when it’s done updating.
Ohhh, I didn’t even realize that was a thing. Makes more sense now. I should probably shut down my PC more often…
Has that ever helped with massive Windows botnets?
for me, a good test of whether i own something or not is to see if your device forces you to update. I’m sure 90% people using computers understand the security implications of not updating and not rebooting, they just have work they need to do now and rebooting the computer would make it go away.
we really need to stop babying users. If they fuck their own system up, it’s on them. give them warnings, sure. Give them heads up. but don’t take it into your own hands to protect someone who doesn’t want protecting.
I think you have far too much faith in the average user. The average user just uses their computer for email, social media, and YouTube. The average user panics when their Google Chrome shortcut disappears from their desktop, because they don’t know how to open it otherwise. The average user doesn’t even know what a botnet is, or why updating would help prevent them.
And the bigger problem is that a compromised device doesn’t only affect the compromised device. It can potentially spread to other devices on a network, steal info from anyone who interacts with the user, or become part of a botnet which is used in attacks elsewhere. Forcing the average user to update is like requiring vaccinations. We do it because it helps protect everyone; not just the one person who was inoculated.
If users cared about security or privacy, even in the slightest, they’d be using Linux. That’s the other few percent. Ubuntu Livepatch solves any problem from automatic updates, I think Linux will eventually support this and then automatic updates by default. But on Windows? Not a chance.
You cannot live patch everything and also linux doesn’t run everything
I mean, it’s the same situation as vaccine mandates. You’re hoping that it’s a perfect system of karma that reflects upon the user, but it’s not. Someone practices bad security or bad personal health, and it might not necessarily be them that suffers the most. (Botnet victims come in wide varieties)
I think owning your own device is a great ideology and I want to promote it however possible; I just don’t feel comfortable pushing that over general worldwide computer safety.
I’m sure 90% people using computers understand the security implications of not updating and not rebooting,
Deranged. 9% is probably higher than reality. 0.9% maybe.
Also you’re responding to a comment about widespread collective damage as though only a few individuals would be hurt.
Every single yearly security training at work talks about keeping devices up to date. We get quizzed on it. Every place i’ve been at has talked about keeping your device up to date. I’m talking since school up to my degree at university (~10 years).
if at this point people don’t know that you should update, it’s on them for being ignorant about it or on them for not doing so.
Story time. I used to work for an IT service for businesses. We also offered such basic security trainings (how to not get fished by mails, keeping workstations up to date, do not insert USB drives some stranger handed you, that stuff). We had one customer, big company, several branches all over the country, even some abroad. They booked our training once a year for each branch office in our local region, six offices and a couple dozen office workers attending each time.
We had to automate reboots. First, you get an information there’s a necessary update pending that needed a reboot. You could push that reboot a week down, then it got enforced. We had several tickets each month about that. We also had to restore systems twice in the two and a half years I worked there from backups due to ransomware, and other, mostly minor security incidents about once a month.firstly, you’re assuming everyone works in an office.
then, that those lessons stick.
then, that malware only affects those who essentially opt into it.
All of these are beyond-stupid assumptions.
PS. not one security training I’ve had did more than just mention in passing updating your device, if even that. Because guess what, IT departments don’t give a choice. They manage that and force-install updates.
Your other weak-ass assumption is that work lessons (if even applied at work) also come home.
Yeah dude, you’re just wrong in your thinking. Top to bottom.
maybe this is a xkcd 2501 moment and if it is, it makes me feel very depressed that people can be this stupid
just looked that # up. Yes, it is. People are very stupid, but in this case it’s more of 1) a case of needing to know. many people do not need to know how to maintain a computer; many don’t even own a desktop these days and other systems do many auto-updates. and 2) again, these bad practices affect other people who do properly update their machine. We don’t live in a vacuum.
Update and Shutdown -> go and make tea -> Linux lock screen -> 😐
Windows really dosn’t want to be on my system.
Well, that’s a first. The usual way is for Windows to break the Linux install every time it does anything.
Somehow I learned how to install my systems without windows doing that.
I’m guessing you have different drives, instead of using partitions. Windows only breaks bootloaders when it’s sharing a drive.
Nope.
- Install windows on clean disk
- Install Linux with custom partitions
Add 3 new partitions (/boot, /, swap) - Enable os-prober for grub
- Set grub as boot in BIOS
Never had problem with windows nuking the bootloader. It never knows it exists.
- Windows update intentionally bricks GRUB.
- Delete Windows.
Well, it is at least in part how many linux distros configure Grub, it can be set up to boot the last selected OS, which I think should be the default… I changed it on all of my dual boot systems, though I haven’t been using Windows all that much lately, so it hasn’t been all that big of a deal for me.
I just wish that Windows hadn’t changed the default update config to restart no matter which option is selected, since it makes that situation soooo much more annoying.
Every time! Then the next time you boot windows for some reason, it will finish the updates and then fucking shuts down.
Then you should obey its wishes.
Lucky you
Idk how it’s working for you guys, but I’ve not once had it actually shut down after clicking update and shut down. It always restarts myb once or twice and finishes at the lock screen, it just doesn’t shut down. I always have to manually turn it off after it finishes.
Dunno what to tell you, man. Update and shut down always works perfectly for me. It updates, restarts to finish the update, then shuts down. Works every time.
The only thing I can think of is that you’re being impatient and manually shutting he machine down after the restart, instead just letting the OS do its thing.
I’ve found that if I click “update and shutdown” and hold the power button it shuts down, the update process is even quicker this way /S
But for real, I’ve been doing this for almost a year now I. Will. Not. Wait. I am going home now
Yep my work laptop is win11, this happens every time. I just wait till the end of the day, click update and shut down, let the dog out and then give her breakfast (I work nights) then go back and shut down from lock screen.
Meanwhile on my Linux laptop, “downloading critical system files” SUDO shut down, “whatever you say boss” and 10 seconds later it’s off.
That’s always so annoying, because Windows isn’t my default boot entry, so I need to babysit its “totally not a reboot” update.
I somewhat get it - end as much processes as possible, apply everything that is possible, then restart and apply the remainder. My pet peeve is just that it should automatically shut down after applying the updates instead of staying at the lock screen, when I say install and shutdown…
it should automatically shut down after applying the updates
Okay, that part it does for me though. That’s extra annoying for you then.
apply everything that is possible, then restart and apply the remainder
Yeah on one hand I get the concept, on the other macOS and Linux manage without, and I don’t really remember older Windows doing this either, so I wonder if there is a real reason why it’s needed, or they just engineered themselves into a bad corner…
And update and shutdown actually reboots your system in the end anyway. This shit drives me crazy whenever I need to use Windows.
ah yes i remember this frustration before i changed operating systems. now i have a whole bunch of new frustrations but this ain’t one of them 😎 i use debian btw
Frustrated with debian? I cannot imagine…
I have been frustrated with myself tho, when i have learned how easy something i was struggeling with was.
i click shut down, close my laptop, then the next day it turns out it never shut down because my pdf viewer was still open
I don’t make it to the next day. I hear the fan running full blast in my bag while it commits seppuku.
mine goes into sleep mode so it doesn’t really make any sound
It’s a corporate laptop, so no telling what it’s trying to do.
probably collecting data about your daily routine
