This seems… unnecessarily gendered. I think these are things you can wish for everyone.
I think the main thing that is unnecessarily gendered is they are trying to push the “blue is the only manly color” thing in this image.
Point of this is to rise awareness that June used to be men’s mental health awareness month, to be able to live in harmony with men, but all changed when the LGBTQ community attacked.
No it fits. Men’s mental health month should be gay pride because we all know it’s homoerotic to seek therapy as men.
Fellas is it gay to have healthy thoughts about your own self worth?
Finally someone gets the joke. Bill burr did a whole bit on this way back in the 90s and it’s as true as ever 30 years later.
Maybe if you guys were better at gender bending you wouldn’t have lost the sexuality wars.
Was that supposed to be funny?
Only the last part, yes. First part is here https://www.nami.org/get-involved/awareness-events/mens-health-month/
The point here is the same as with „Black lives matter“. Of course all lifes matter, but blacks are underrepresented, as are men in mental health topics.
Fair enough. I never felt it that way even as a man, but it might be cultural difference. This just felt to me like a “Bic For Her”-moment. But of course I do think mental health is important for men as well.
Why have black history month or black lives matter, don’t all lives matter? Why have feminism, don’t all genders matter? Why aren’t cishets included in pride, can’t they be proud?!
These things exist to call out specific issues that exist for specific groups. Other groups might experience the same problem, but that doesn’t matter. This is for men and their specific issues. As a man we’re always told to just suck it up and keep going. To be strong. It was way tools late that I realized that I was allowed to seek help and feel emotions.
In principle, I do agree; but sometimes we have to explicitly highlight that men (or any other group) are included, because it’s often implied that some group is not.
It could be helpful to look into stereotypes people of both genders face that stop them, in this case, from seeking therapy. One can call out issues women AND men (and nonbinary folks) face on the topic, thereby both being very explicit that everyone’s involved, but maintaining a balanced message.
Something like “Men, you deserve support. You don’t have to be tough”, and then “Women, you don’t have to be a neverending source of care. You might need help too” etc.
Seems like an all lives matter approach
Let’s walk back and compare to a social cause that I think most people agree on.
Police violence is a problem. It’s a problem for all races, but black people have been disproportionately targeted for a long time, and are in all forms at greater risk. So, it’s fair to organize social movements around supporting that demographic to show they’re recognized and they matter; Black Lives Matter.
Male social isolation is also a problem. It’s been a problem for everyone, and loneliness affects all genders under modern social technological trends; but men are overwhelmingly gathering to movements that target their demographic and give them a sense of identity association. (Women and trans communities also gather to their exclusive groups to help identify their unique problems). Even if you don’t agree men are really victims, they can be warped into becoming perpetrators, creating more victims, if their mental health needs are not addressed.
And so, it’s fair to organize social movements around supporting that demographic to show they’re recognized and they matter; Men’s mental health matters. This of course does not need to detract from any other social causes happening.
I agree.
The internet could benefit by being more inclusive ; especially around (mental) health.
#PRIDEMONTH happy pride, happy fight
Yuck. This is a shitty post.
Take this crap back to your support group.Yeah u’re right👍
While I agree that Men’s mental health is important, I have to ask - why the fuck is this posted here? Like what even is this community anymore? I thought it was supposed to be for memes, but instead all I see is political bullshit, actual troll posts, AI slop, and this off-topic stuff…
Why don’t the mods here care about the community?
And why is the blue heart an AfD symbol while there are “multiple” Germans running around upvoting each other, ignoring that fact, and calling feminists the real sexists while OP’s name is literally Pepe?
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Wait, that’s a thing? Pfft what mental health?
It’s the thing stoping you realizing there is more of you than of them and tgat if you all realized this, you could just seize it and be free of their leverage. Free of the occupying invaders of your soul.
Goes well with the men who think they’re women. And vice versa.
Thank you for this. I have been struggling the last few days more than ever before. Someday I’ll get through it. But that day isn’t today.
This YouTuber has created 4 astoundingly insightful videos about men. Patriarchal society fucks us up, either turning us into monsters or demanding a facade that runs so deep most of us forget it’s a facade. Even just articulating our feelings and mental health is a massive struggle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pm5gX_wgic
Worth a watch by men and anyone who cares about men. And if you don’t care about men… well, that’s pretty typical of society at large, so don’t feel too guilty, but maybe you should start caring.
In the same vein, I’d like to remind people that feminism is also for men.
As a start, I think bell hooks’ The Will to Change can be a good intro.
Bell Hooks gets quoted in the video FWIW
No it ain’t, feminism is for women only
Maybe in some circles but I’ve always felt welcomed and supported by the women around me. I’m sorry that you can’t say the same.
I want you to know that your feelings are valid but please don’t let the actions of a few reactionaries spoil the entire ideal that feminism stands on.
I’m speaking on a holistic & practical level. Oh & the reason you’re welcomed is because you’re a useful tool, the instant you criticize them, you’ll be a misogynist & will be rail-roaded
I can give practical examples as well.
I hear your frustration, and I won’t deny that some feminist spaces have blind spots or even hostility toward men’s issues. But dismissing the entire movement because of those flaws is like rejecting democracy because some politicians are corrupt it throws out the good with the bad. Feminism, at its core, is about dismantling rigid gender roles, which harms men too (e.g., stigma around male vulnerability, custody biases, conscription).
You’re right that some self-labeled feminists don’t live up to that ideal, but that doesn’t negate the millions who fight for parental leave, against male suicide stigma, or for LGBTQ+ rights. If you’ve been burned by hypocrites, I get it but I’d encourage you to judge ideas by their best advocates, not their worst.
That said, I’m open to your examples. If we agree the goal is equality, maybe we can find common ground on where movements fall short.
To my fellow men: ignore the gaslighters in here. NAMI endorses this month, and they are a highly regarded non-profit for mental health advocacy and support. I don’t think OP posted it here ironically b/c they actually posted the NAMI link outlining their support of men’s mental health.
Hope you all the best and take care of yourselves. Also, if you feel alone, NAMI has a search engine to help find support groups, meetup has a lot (just gotta expand your city search for remote meetups), always explore your insurance’s therapy coverage if you have insurance, and if all that fails, chatgpt provides some decent feedback and perspective without marginalizing your experiences like an asshole would.
what about men who struggle with finances? i am shit with money. this qualifies as a shitpost reply.
I’m scared to post this anywhere because people will interpret it as me being misogynistic. And that, IMO, is the biggest problem that men face. We’re not allowed by society to be victims.
That’s why I’m a feminist. They understand everyone suffers under the patriarchy. Especially men who are forbidden to show emotion.
Under some older meaning of feminist sure. But 90% of the people who claim to be feminist these days think of it solely as giving women more privilege, and any discussion of men’s issues is considered anti-feminist. Whatever meaning of equality that there used to be is all but lost.
Did you know that 74% of statistics are made up on the spot?
How many feminist podcasts do you consume, and when did you notice the change?
I’m not talking about feminists who actually know their stuff (such as most - but not all - who make podcasts on the subject). Those are niche subcultures. I’m talking about the self-proclaimed feminists on social media like TikTok, Instagram, or the comment sections on Reddit and Facebook. The people that the general public comes in contact with and who shape the meaning of our language. Your attempt at gatekeeping kind of underscores my point.
But yes you’re right that when I said 90% I didn’t base it on some scientific survey. It’s the general sense that I get on the internet and read what’s on my feed.
You’d get called a misogynist because you are a misogynist.
That comment was already made and most symbols mean multiple things. A German user and a Japanese user will have very different interpretations of a swastika. Whose Interpretation is correct, is depending on the situation. If you think the swastika on the tourist map in Japan stands for Nazism, you are wrong. If you think the swastika on a wall in Germany stands for good fortune, you are most probably wrong.
He’s a German and literally calling the vast majority of feminists sexists, dip shit.
Also, we know “he” is “you” and you’re too lazy to make your alts on different instances, which makes it easy to notice when you forget to swap your sockpuppets.
Kindly follow your leader, thanks.
Go be an edgelord on Reddit, we don’t need your toxicity on Lemmy
Lol, I am not. And a lot of people who call themselves feminists are sexist. If you disagree with that, please name 1 thing that the general feminist movement is tackling in support of men. And the current patriarchy is harmful for men too. So there are things to tackle.
A German is not forced to use a symbol in an international setting in the same way, they might use it in the local setting.
Please don’t use insults.
Oh, you’re just independently using a specious argument to randomly claim modern Japanese people using a swastika is the same thing as the existence of historical examples and conflating it with this situation, while defending all his incorrect points.
An argument that, just by accident, ignores all the relevant context of his complaints.
Also, sure, here you go, the parts where feminism believes in gender equality:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism
It’s the whole fucking thing, incel.
This is the worst argument I have ever seen.
I’ve very rarely see that from feminist circles. And even then it feels like we can only have the emotions they want us to have and not the ones we do have.
I’ve had the same experience. Or if you do hear about it, it’s reluctant and only in relation to how it affects women.
I’m fine with women having their own advocacy group, I don’t think they’re equipped to take on men too.
And whenever there is a push for a male advocacy group it gets labeled as some incel shit. Which attracts alt right types and suddenly it’s yet another pro republican group.
Men can’t have advocacy groups.
Buddy they oppose & damage & hijack men’s issues (E.g: Conscription & False allegations)
What emotions do you have that you think you can’t?
You’re allowed to have anger. But if you’re like many, you conflate the anger feeling with the shouting/punching/violent actions. Toxic actions are bad, but the feelings are valid and ok. Need to find a proper way to express those emotions.
I don’t like being associated with feminism for a single reason - not everyone agrees that both women and men suffer, and the blame is often shifted on men as “carriers of patriarchy”. Besides, it is originally about women fighting for their rights, not men, and at any point in time women can note that it’s for the women and about women, effectively shaking off the very men who promoted it - and to some degree, they will be correct.
We can do better by building a wider antisexist community. At the end of the day, all we want, as long as we act in good faith, is for everyone to be equal in their rights and opportunities. Women face sexism. Men face sexism. Some of it stems from patriarchy, some of it might come from other angles. We should come together not under the banner of feminism, not under the banner of masculism, but from the neutral ground if we ever hope to achieve a society that treats men and women as equals.
No true Scotsman, amirite?
Antisexism would be great. I’m not sure that it won’t easily be coopted by toxic feminist or incels. But I’d join
It kinda exists, but I feel it is drowned in the era of outrage-based media.
And yes, it is often appropriated by various actors, even though the premise couldn’t be clearer.
I don’t like being associated with anti-racism for a single reason - not everyone agrees that both black and white people suffer, and the blame is often shifted on white people as “carriers of systemic racism”. Besides, it is originally about black people fighting for their rights, not white people, and at any point in time black people can note that it’s for and about black people, effectively shaking off the very white people who promoted it - and to some degree, they will be correct.
We can do better by building a wider anti-racist community. At the end of the day, all we want, as long as we act in good faith, is for everyone to be equal in their rights and opportunities. Black people face racism. White people face racism. Some of it stems from systemic racism, some of it might come from other angles. We should come together not under the banner of pro-black, not under the banner of pro-white, but from the neutral ground if we ever hope to achieve a society that treats #AllLives as equals.
This is how these posts come across to me.
There’s a power imbalance. Feminism is about bringing women up and redistributing the power.
Men should be able to talk about their issues. And I feel like they usually are. It’s not a problem.
It’s a problem when it’s done to hijack a conversation about women. Or when it’s done without awareness of the history of the power imbalance.
A lot of it isn’t to be taken personally and if it is, I think that says something about you. When I hear blame and anger towards privileged groups that I’m a part of, even if I suffer too, my gut reaction is never “but…” I understand that it’s a reaction to the power, the history, and the general picture.
It’s a problem when it’s done to hijack a conversation about women.
You’re talking about feminism in a thread started about men’s mental health.
Dearest Kettle,
I write to you on this auspicious occasion to bring into your awareness a matter which has consumed my attention as of late. It seems you bear a certain patina of the very darkest of colors, one might even go so far as to call you “black.”
Eternally yours,
Pot
I’m replying to a comment about feminism, moron.
And the entire topic of feminism was brought up to hijack a conversation about men. Moron.
The comment thread I replied to didn’t start with feminism but with fears of being seen as a misogynist when bringing up OP’s points. This naturally led to a conversation about feminism being a movement that aims to abolish this kind of thing.
Either you’re a feminist or you’re a misogynist, it’s simple.I support feminist ideas, but don’t find them fitting to look at mens’ problems.
You randomly slap misogynist labels left and right because you got so rigid you cannot even start to comprehend any view more nuanced than “feminism will save us all!”
Nothing wrong with feminism when it comes to women and their issues, by the way.
I too think in absolutes. Either you’re a Christian or a devil worshipper.
Either you’re with us, or you’re with the terrorists.
Wow, life got much easier when I eliminated nuance.
The problem is in your first remake of the quote.
I don’t like being associated with anti-racism…
I support antisexism. You just equated feminism and antisexism, and the latter is a bigger category than the former.
Nothing wrong with feminism as a fight for women’s rights, but looking at mens’ problems through the prism of feminism is the same as looking at racism against whites through the prism of BLM, or apples through bananas. That’s simply the wrong tool.
There is feminism - about women. There is masculism (which is currently heavily discredited by patriarchal shitheads, but originally comes from the same place of equality as feminism) - about men. There are also nonbinaries fighting for their place in the world. And there is antisexism combining them all.
If someone calls themselves a feminist, but they don’t acknowledge the struggles men face under patriarchy, they can hardly be called a feminist.
Source? You’re speaking with a lot of authority here and I’m not sure you fully know what you’re talking about. What you seem to be calling anti-sexism is often called intersectional feminism.
It’s…in the name?
But also sure, here’s the Cambridge Dictionary: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/anti-sexist
Stay strong, brother. You are not alone
I agree. It’s kind of a tightrope these days. As a white, cis, hereto, middle-aged, male, I pretty much clock as the poster-child for privilege. I am palpably aware that crying loudly for any support might just come off as tasteless, or even insensitive in the wrong group.
Yet, a lot of our social ills these days look an awful lot like mental illness, which is poorly compensated for through evil, perpetrated by people that resemble this description. Zero social support means you just listen to Joe Rogan instead, while projecting trauma as hate.
This poster/meme might work better if it aimed for equality and that it doesn’t exclude anyone. Or maybe if it had a quote from research or some person of note about the silent epidemic that is men’s mental/social health issues.
So can the meto movement include male victims now?
This poster/meme might work better if it aimed for equality and that it doesn’t exclude anyone.
Who does it exclude?
Technically, everyone that doesn’t identify as “men”. But it’s done in the abstract, negative space of the message by not saying it. Subtle, but without clarifying things, it’s left open to this interpretation.
It isn’t inclusive of everyone because it is about a specific group. I’m getting ‘all lives matter’ vibes from your comment.
Thanks for clarifying. I’m actually trying to argue the exact opposite of something like “all lives matter”.
Do you also complain that gay pride and black history month aren’t inclusive of everyone?
Hardly. I added some clarification to my argument.
I don’t see how your argument is anything other than “Memes about men aren’t inclusive. What about everyone else?”
The fact that men are privileged overall doesn’t mean they don’t have issues. Acknowledging those issues but requiring an additional acknowledgement that other groups exist and have issues is the same thing as ‘all lives matter’.
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