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Not gonna stop doing it though. In fact, my brain is broken in such a way that. If I see someone else not tipping, then I have to tip even more to make up the difference.
the ignorance of calling this “people pleasing” behavior is crazy to me. Its not people pleasing to want somebody to have food on there table at night, or to pay their bills. its the awareness that its a fucked system and that were doing our part to support people. the amount of privilege in this tweet is jaw dropping.
its the equivalent of supporting women’s rights and calling it “people pleasing” behavior. get fucked dude
well yeah, that’s why donations don’t work either, somehow. consider:
if you’re the person always donating to charity, and nobody else does, you’re essentially providing the community service that should be provided by the community taxes. instead, you pay it all yourself. that’s why taxes have to be enforced by the community: the first one to donate suffers a disadvantage, but if a general rule says everybody must pay taxes/donate at the same time, nobody loses.
But what if I’m Self-Made™? I earned that money and definitely didn’t use anything that taxes paid for, and if I did I’d be happy to pay for it but only it and also I’m sure that wouldn’t cause a paperwork nightmare as everyone tries to be way to specific about what they’re paying for and what they aren’t.
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Tip your waitstaff. Don’t be a pos.
This comment section is all people missing the point.
The point of the post is that a particular job will generally stabilize at a particular pay. If it’s a tipped position, then the employer will pay less, so that the overall income is roughly at that stable income for that position, including the overall average tip.
So people who tip less than the average are free riding off of the people who tip more than average, where that worker will make an average tip overall, which comes more from the generous tippers than the stingy tippers. Thus, it effectively transfers money from generous tippers to stingy tippers, on net, in the long run.
The merits of this system, whether servers deserve to be paid more, whether we should push for reforms so that this isn’t the system, is besides the point. The post is making an observation of how things actually are, not advocating for how things should be.
No worker should depend on tips. Problem solved
And yet, people do.
Should we just ignore the dynamics of that system, and pretend it doesn’t exist? Or can we make observations about that system, and analyze its effects?
We should change it
change is meaningless without prior analysis.
what the fuck does this even mean
Yeah, well, it is Not that difficult.
It goes both ways. We do want families and kids to come in and eat. Some people don’t tip well because they don’t have the means and that’s okay! It’s socialized service. You can look at it like you’re supporting the people who are working and those who want their kids to have experiences they otherwise couldn’t. Just like the guy who orders 3 cocktails subsidies the water and sandwhich guy. Or the 4 kids meals and fries guy. You can look at it a lot of ways.
Tipping is one of the only reasons to carry cash
I like to pay by card and hand the waiter a bill or two so they aren’t giving half of their tip to management
Tipping is basically donating money to the waiting staff (in a broader sense, to the management of the restaurant).
I think there are more people in need of donations than the ones who move your food 10 steps.
I would 10000% pick my own food and cary it to the table, as I often do in many “”“lower class”“” restaurants (diners?)
That, or add a flat service charge, add it to the check and pay fucking taxes (this is directed to the management).
I don’t tip. But I don’t live in the US.
The major problem is the ethics of tipping. In the U.S. tipping puts (all if not most) jobs into a category which employers now pay a sub-minimum wage. Legally the employer isn’t responsible for a federal minimum wage anymore because it is assumed tips will cover the rest of it. In actuality with taxes, many people don’t get a paycheck because of how little they earn. It just went to taxes.
EDIT: Imagine working full time (40 hours) and getting a piece of paper that says “THIS IS NOT A CHECK” telling you how little you earned.
Unless you’re talking about somewhere other than the US or you have some crazy locality, this doesn’t sound right.
In the US, the employer is legally obligated to make up the difference between what the employee earned (wage plus claimed tips) and minimum wage. In fairness to your point, that’s not a big help since the federal minimum wage is a joke. If they’re failing to do that, they’re breaking the law.
Additionally, taxes should be a percentage of their earnings. How would they be ending up with zero dollar paychecks after 40 hours?
I adjusted my tip to 10%. Yep they don’t pay tax, so I adjusted accordingly
This is how a greedy person thinks. It’s morbid, but fascinating.
I am not in a financial race against the people who do not tip. And if this guy thinks I am then he failed to factor in that people pleasers probably go a lot further socially in life and thus are likely to make more money. Maybe I tip not because I want to please, but because I have more expendable income than the average self-limiting greedy asshole.
I don’t think the richest people are the ones who want to please people the most, I think the less they want to please people, the richer they get. Then they run society with their wealth and the people pleasers are at their mercy
The richest people, yes certainly. But they didn’t get rich merely by not tipping, and the moron who wrote the tweet is certainly not that level of wealthy. I’m just talking about 99% of people, the working class.
To insure proper service. Sure tips are optional, but so is giving a fuck.
The only way you can help increase the wages is to not tip, all it does is subsidize the owners
Unfortunately as this very thread shows, a lot of Americans are mindbogglingly not in agreement about that. Which explains a lot about the current predicament of the country.
No your tips become profit for the greedy assholes who own the restaurant, you aren’t compensating for non tippers, you are compensating for greedy cunts not paying people a living wage and the fact that most Americans can’t understand this and are agreeing with the post calling people who don’t tip as rude is why tipping is never gonna leave this fucked up country
Not tipping is rude. You are not facilitating change by not tipping, because the burden of your choice is felt almost entirely by the worker you stiffed. The employer is not motivated to pay their employee more from reduced tips because they aren’t really worse off for it. Sure, maybe their employee eventually quits if they aren’t making enough, but tip industries typically have high turnover anyway, so the worker is already considered replaceable. The worker suffers from missing an expected part of their income, but they also lack the ability to make things better for themselves. So it’s just piling onto their bad situation.
If you want to get rid of tip culture, stop patronizing places that rely on tips to give their employees a living wage. That’s how capitalism works, businesses make changes in their power when something affects their bottom line. So you have to protest in a way that actually hurts the person with the power to change something, not someone caught in the crossfire. And of course, try to support reform that guarantees a living wage regardless of tips.
In Europe tipping is optional and the expectations are lower because the base wage is the full minimum, or higher.
In North America tipping has become a necessity because there is a lower minimum wage for waitstaff, which is a stupid arrangement that allows management/ownership to keep wages low and also now claim a portion of tips, for some reason.
Anyone who thinks that is a good system and that the problem is “cheapskates”, not the deeply flawed system for paying waitstaff, is not thinking things through
It works both ways. If noone tips then noone will work at restaurants where their wage consists solely of tipping. That is also how capitalism works.
Capitalism works by putting poor people is actual crossfire and then incentivise giant hulking demonic entities to engulf the planet. Sterile headless doom machines that employ sociopathic human turncoats and force them to labor or lobby in the name of profit, the final score of which global rabiate construct was the best at the game of purging tellus. You conflate the two
A tip a lot because jobs where you get tipped suck and I want to support workers in those situations.
I’m Canadian. Servers now make minimum wage. I have stopped tipping. It doesn’t make any sense that a server who is making above minimum wage has to rely on customers paying a gratuity. Where were my tips when I was a lifeguard? Or a tour guide? I didn’t get a bonus for doing a good job landscaping. I’m not angry at the servers. I’m upset at the ones who blame customers for the shady business that they help keep open.
Minimum wage isn’t a lot of money, especially of you’re living in a city like Toronto. There’s an expectation for a server that they’re getting a tip, so when you don’t do that you’re inherently guaranteed to give them a negative feeling emotion.
That’s true. On the other hand, if a server accepts my tip which helps their employer to keep underpaying them that gives me a negative feeling emotion.
So it depends on who you want to have the negative impact, yourself or the person you chose to serve you that day
Then you should focus on contacting your representatives urging them to increase the minimum wage, not perpetuate an unfair system that forces workers to depend on the generosity of random customers. I’ve worked on minimum wage restaurant gigs, your tips don’t get shared with the back of l the house staff who are busting their ass in the hot kitchen making the food you eat, while pretty stack racks all the tips taking plates from point A to B
