The really depressing thing about this, and many other “unexplained” aerial phenomena, is that it demonstrates how many people just never fucking look up at the sky.
This reminds me of the time when I was a kid and me and several of my family members went racing out into the front yard to watch the plane that was doing all kinds of aerial acrobatics over our neighbors’s field dropping whatever chemical or fertilizer was in their tanks that day so we were all basically coated in it by the time they were done and we went back inside. Except I wasn’t a kid when it happened, I was a fully informed adult who should have known better and then a few days later we found out it was some kind of potentially dangerous fungicide. But on the plus side I now have 3 penises.
This reminds me of my parents’ stories of running out to play in the clouds of DDT when the spray trucks went through the neighborhood
Mmm, tastes spicy!
This thing is real, they’re spreading dihydrogen monoxide vapours everywhere. Moreover every single dead person has the same thing in their body. Coincidence? I think /s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory
Patrick Minnis, an atmospheric scientist with NASA’s Langley Research Center, has said that logic does not dissuade most chemtrail proponents: “If you try to pin these people down and refute things, it’s, ‘Well, you’re just part of the conspiracy’”.
You can’t ration people out of positions they did not rationalize themselves into.
That or you’re just “asleep” and need to “wake up”.
But these are the same people saying things are too “Woke”
So which is it?
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Wake up, but don’t be woke, obviously.
So be half asleep
Dude on my Facebook posted a Pic of some repurposed 747 with a bunch of tubes in the cabin with a caption about the chemtrail stuff taking up space. Like, motherfucker, if it takes that much space, how is every passenger jet doing it??
Isn’t the conspiracy that some planes are doing it. Not all planes?
Depends on who you ask.
Those diagrams and pictures are a disinformation campaign. They show a system that obviously can’t function, so you dismiss the theory out of hand.
But the reality is that they mix the mind control chemicals directly into regular jet fuel. The pilots don’t even know they are involved.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray
From the page:
Between 1949 and 1969, open-air tests of biological agents were conducted 239 times.
239 open-air tests of biological agents in a 20 year period. Remind me again why people have no reason to be paranoid? This wasn’t that long ago.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States
These aren’t conspiracy theories.
Is there something real behind these people’s paranoia and suspicion? Do our government, military, and our corporations inspire trust?
These aren’t conspiracy theories.
They once were, and then they were proven to be true.
Of course, a true conspiracy unfolds because the masses are unaware. The masses are gaslit if they start catching on.
But in the absence of compelling evidence, it’s pointless to wildly speculate about from my perspective.
I try to guide people to truth, and sometimes it means finding another’s blindspots. I treat all perspectives and emotions behind them as valid.
Most people who get exposed to this sort of stuff tend to get very traumatized. They are potentially misled by people who stand to profit on them.
Maybe there is an inkling of truth to their perspective, or a very valid overarching feeling to discern and point out to them that validates their strong feelings about a subject. A critical insight that puts them at ease, that doesn’t cause flight or fight.
They think they are truly informed and they are sobered by what their known reality has turned into. You don’t help a paranoid, suspicious, and traumatized person by name-calling them or assaulting their beliefs as invalid.
A common element behind many conspiracy theories is distrust of government. Why can’t we trust the government? I was raised loosely with the idea that it is supposed to be by the people, for the people.
I want to address that distrust in my life and hopefully play my part in co-creating a true democracy here on this planet. It’s a lofty goal, but it won’t stop me from doing my best.
But in the absence of compelling evidence, it’s pointless to wildly speculate about from my perspective
I think that is lazy and naive. For example, is it really pointless to speculate about the official explanation for, say, the deadliest mass shooting by a lone gunman in American history?
There are compelling inklings and inconsistencies to that event, it’s more than fair to point out and talk about if you have specific insight and questions and an interest to do so.
Just because I may not personally be curious enough to seek out that information or dive deeper than I already have, doesn’t mean I wouldn’t approve of discussion or thought.
My disinterest lies in the fact that I don’t believe I would be able to gather or consolidate the evidence and make any meaningful conclusions - doesn’t mean someone else can’t. I don’t advocate for blind trust or faith of anything.
There are plenty of events that raise legitimate questions and concerns - like suspicious, high profile deaths that are immediately ruled as suicide. Question on, I say. There are no stupid questions and thoughts as far as I’m concerned. And all perspectives are valid, even if I may personally not see it the same way - everybody is free to hold their own positions.
For me, I’m just not interested in dredging up the past unless it’s absolutely necessary. I like pointing out facts that have been buried or hidden to the vast majority of people. If I was older, I feel that I’d be more confident to speak with authority about various events that are still relevant to learn from today - it’s just difficult for me to discern the truth due to the sea of propaganda at times. I’m more interested with interacting and engaging with the present.
Doesn’t mean I still don’t look back to educate myself and others when necessary, no matter the difficulty - I certainly don’t shy away. I try to get an overview first, and then I dive into every detail that I can possibly find, I try to look at different perspectives and viewpoints, and then I read specific resources or accounts. Eventually I’m able to feel confident that I’m close to the truth.
And I’m fine with being called lazy or naive, I’m just focusing my energy in a particular way that others may not approve of - and I’m not specifically looking for approval. I’m interested in truth and I’m interested in progress.
Is there something real behind these people’s paranoia and suspicion? Do our government, military, and our corporations inspire trust?
No, the US government, as with every government, does not deserve trust. They are not your friend. They will lie to you, directly or by omission.
However, all governments are bad at coverups. Chem trails would need to have entire leagues and fields paid off and prohibited from investigating it. Not just in America, but world wide. If America was doing Chem trails, there’s nothing really prohibiting China or Russia from calling it out. They have zero reasons to agree to deals to limit their scientists, as it would be a major shake up in geopolitics. America in that instance could not be trusted with any claims of its scientific achievements.
I don’t really buy into a moon landing hoax or a JFK cover up. By now, everything and everyone involved would have had to been paid off, including families, scientists, historians, and more.
You don’t need to be mad at a vague shadow government, you can be mad at the actual government for what they are actually doing. Be mad at Tuskegee and Gulf of Tonkin, not 9/11 with wire bombs and plane holograms.
I’m not making an argument for chemtrails. It’s pointless to speculate about, there is no evidence or smoking gun.
I’m just suggesting that we be kind and empathetic towards individuals that do believe these sorts of things. Is it out of character for the US government? Nah, not really.
Many of these people probably were living in or around 1969. In their lived reality, the US government was doing shit like this. Have things really gotten better?
EDIT: Sorry for the essay LOL.
I really appreciate your take and efforts to be compassionate about the loads of people who simply were let down by a lack of, or sometimes learned cultural opposition to, education. We’re paying for it so hard right now.
I mean, yeah, MK-Ultra was a very real program, for instance. The Cold War Era was loaded with shadowy nonsense conducted by spooks, all over the place! Real conspiracies totally happened!
But people on the whole crave sensation and don’t have the logic or education to discern between whistleblowers and grifters.
I think the part that is so painful is that there’s just so much noise.
It feels like conspiracy theories generally used to be…More harmless? More often the stuff of kooky neighbors and not always dangerously deluded basement militants and chart-topping podcasts.
Now it’s a carefully engineered, algorithmically driven pipeline from the former to the latter.
Now, thanks to social media, they’re politically weaponized psy-ops: Get the masses all riled up about aliens, mind-control vaccines, and satanic child-farming underground pizza delivery chain networks…
…And they won’t bother to focus their energy any real and “boring” conspiracies, like monopoly-forming, price fixing, shrinkflation, planned obsolescence, cop unions, the insurance industry, manufacturing consent, stock market manipulation, wage theft, billionaire bunkers, car-required civic planning, surveillance normalization, gerrymandering, Cambridge Analytica, McKinsey, class warfare, too-much-to-list about Boeing…
Because those are very real problems perpetuated by very bad powerful people, and they take a ton of very risky work to fix.
And those conspiracies are so very boring and predictable, because it’s a massive shell game with a million little nodes that all lead to countless instances of “Someone is doing these bad things to amass more money or influence.”
Last note: It’s also really odd and telling how the ones who are SO adamant about government conspiracies don’t tend to care much about corporations.
Government mind control chips in water (to make us more… subservient or something?) Totes!
But ad companies listening to your devices to figure out when you’re at your weakest to push ads for foolish purchases?
Naaaaah!
Thanks for the response, I enjoyed reading it and we largely agree.
Understanding is cemented in one’s original source of information about the world. Shaping a pre-existing understand requires not just accuracy but volume, because you’re not competing against faulty logic. You’re competing against accumulated memories.
If someone is deep into the conspiracy theory rabbit hole, what is shaping their opinion is the consistent repetition of orthodoxy over time. Similarly, if someone is highly educated in a particular scientific field, their opinion is shaped by the persistent need to reaffirm fundamental truths in order to succeed and progress. We are not computers. We are not creatures of pure logic. We are the accumulation of our prior experiences and exposures.
You should not be surprised if an individual - when confronted with a narrow band of contrary information - does not immediately jettison all their prior information. Because ask yourself - would you? I mean, if a single guy showed up with a stack of papers insisting he’s proved without a shadow of a doubt that chemtrails are real and the entire professional weather reporting community is lying to you, is there anything they could show you that you wouldn’t greet with skepticism proportional to your exposure to professional weather science?
Because, if the answer is “No”, then why would you expect someone immersed in hundreds of hours of conspiracy theory podcasts and think pieces and social media conversations to behave any differently?
Because even if chemtrails were a thing they’re logistically impractical. There are multiple unlikely leaps of logic
There are multiple steps of logic here
- can aircraft spray chemicals? Sure, we have ag planes and fire fighting planes. In Vietnamese War we sprayed defoliant
- is there a mind control chemical that can be sprayed?
- if there was, could someone benefit from widespread dispersion?
- can you spread it through jet engine exhaust within it destroying it?
- is it possible to include with regularly scheduled air service without passengers or crew noticing?
- how many people would have to be in on the conspiracy and what are the chances of keeping it secret so long?
So the current examples of spraying from plane do so all at once through special equipment. You’d notice plus can’t really be widespread. It’s extremely unlikely a chemical could be mixed into jet fuel, survive the combustion process, and be spread with enough concentration to be useful. There’s no way such a large program would go unnoticed, could possibly be kept secret. Most importantly, for what purpose? If someone were trying to mind control the whole country what does it benefit to dose a random person in a field with no special skill or access and where there’s no one around to control them?
Nah, plane exhaust is real and killing the planet. Just because the contrails are science and not doing mind control doesn’t mean they’re not still bad.
Well, it’s not jet exhaust you’re seeing, though. It’s water vapor in air that’s been compressed in a jet engine and then quickly decompressed out of the back, which causes the air to cool thus condensing the water vapor into droplets similar to those in a cloud.
And those clouds, being too thin to reflect sunlight but able to trap heat, form a kind of blanket around earth, greatly contributing to global warming.
If I understand it correctly, you could magic away the exhaust and have perfectly clean contrails, and they would still warm the planet.
Incorrect. The condensation you are seeing in the air is a product of combustion. If no water was added to the air, then compressing it and decompressing it would not create a cloud or vapor trail.
Edit: Fine. It’s mostly incorrect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail
Yes, the lower pressure can create a very temporary contrail, and in rare situations where the engine exhaust also cools down below freezing before it reaches ambient pressure, ice crystals can form and create a longer more visible contrails. Realistically, what you are seeing in a contrail is water vapor from combustion. Seriously, H2O and water are the largest products of combustion, and it’s like 99% of what you are seeing behind aircraft.
I think it might be more about temperature differences than pressure differences. That is to say hot exhaust cools rapidly and any water vapor condenses. Some aircraft leave no contrails, depending on atmospheric conditions.
Here is a chart to predict contrails on a high-bypass jet engine
And here are aircraft leaving contrails without any jet engines
And some more leaving no contrails at all
The temperature difference is caused by the pressure difference. Airplanes have always caused pressure differentials. Jet engines just cause more pressure than wings and propellers do.
It has next to nothing to do with pressure, let alone temperature drop due to expansion. There are 2 things:
- When each one quantity of cold and warm air mix, the temperature of the mixture is almost exactly the midpoint (average), as the heat capacity is almost a constant.
- Vapor pressure of the water is a function of temperature and scales FAR more than linear.
So now when the hot, humid (burned hydrocarbon) air of the exhaust mixes with cold air the temperature drops a bit, but the vapor pressure drops massively. When conditions are right, the vapor pressure is now below the amount of vapor pressure that is actually present -> condensation.
vapor pressure over temperature data, note how it changes more than 2 orders of magnitude over only 100 K.
Just found this from NASA.
Just because the contrails are science
I understand that part, doesn’t stop them from containing the plane exhaust which is directly contributing to global warming
Well, it’s not jet exhaust you’re seeing, though.
I did acknowledge that, by the way. Jet fumes certainly contribute to global warming. I wasn’t intending to imply they don’t. Simply that it’s not jet fumes you’re seeing in contrails.
I got back in touch with a friend of mine who who graduated in the same class as me with a B.S. in Physics. When they learned that I’m an atmospheric scientist, their first question was “What’s the deal with Chem trails?”
Point being, conspiracy theories also infect the educated sometimes.
And in a country with dogshit standards for HS science. And math. And reading. And history.
Which country is that?
We’ll need to include geography too.
Meanwhile space x makes a flare and has falling debris , MAGA: gotta buy a cybertruck and drive it into ocean to show support
“It’s chemicals!”
“It’s spider webs of chemicals!”
“It’s microchips!”
“It’s sun blocking special metallic smoke!”
“It’s cancer seeds!”
- My Mom, an expert on chemtrails
What kind of cancer will those seeds grow into?
Yes
Do they also grow into lobsters, or do they believe in crab superiority.
I sea what you did there.
“It’s chemicals!”
Technically correct, I guess.
Dihydrogen Monoxide kills thousands of people every year. It should be banned! /s
I know people who believe all the BS about the chemtrails, and I have started telling them that yes, those are chemtrails.
And, like a good person I tell that it is Dihydrogen Monoxide.
Then we go from there.
H2O
The most scary of chemicals
Well, and “it causes cancer” is as well. But not like… It’s raining down cancer on you. More like jet fuel contains known carcinogens.
It’s more the direct effects. According to my mom, the chemtrails should have…I don’t know, but done whatever it was supposed to be doing by now. A 30+ year timeline for something causing cancer? So less bad than smoking? That’s the metric?
At least some nutters have the decency to say that it’s mind controlling chemicals, not the “you’ll be dead soon” kind.
Kind of like the covid vaccine. I should have been dead in
368 monthsa year2 years3 years4 yearsI’ll be dead in 5 years!Do they say what purpisebtheyee being mind controlled? How about the impracticality of mind controlling millions of random people with no special access or skills, and you’re not even there to tell them what to do?
Can’t we at least inject some logic into the chemtrails conspiracy, like it’s a mild sedative to keep you from worry what they’re doing and to keep you from standing up for your rights?
All those second amendment types talk about how they would repel an unjust government, but they never actually do. It must be the chrmtrsils making them docile
The fourth one of those is unfortunately an almost plausible theory. Plenty of people are seriously advocating for studies into Stratospheric Aerosol Injection (SAI) in order to mitigate climate change so that the almighty free market would have more time to fix the problem without any need for systemic change.
But that wouldn’t be visible to the naked eye :D
Funnily enough, contrails like all other clouds composed of ice crystals actually warm the planet up by letting shortwave radiation from the sun through while reflecting longwave (infrared), effectively trapping heat. Thcker and lower clouds are more effective at reflecting shortwave radiation.
Yes, but the conspiracy theory version is that it’s a scam to further the scam that is climate change. It doesn’t make any sense.
doesn’t make any sense.
My theory?
The real conspiracy: It always goes back to the desires of capital.
Why is it always that climate change is a huge con job and it’s all a secret control plan that we…need to stop burning and breathing known carcinogens?
Oh, because the evil shadow government orgs like the EPA and OSHA want to take all our good ol’ jobs (tey derk er jurbz!) with their “regulations” and “standards” and “penalties for pollution” right?
And they’re trying to make America “less great” by no longer being a mass-polluting post-war economic powerhouse! Think of the lost profits! Think of the widespread misery and poverty wrought by a secret New World Order of…(Paper flip) corporate regulation! What’s next? Unions?!
Yes, chem trails are ultimately a path to such horrors as a less wealthy C-suite and not putting clean air on the commodities exchange market. (gasp)
…And all these conspiracies are seeded and peddled by the very sources that told people to take veterinary dewormers or inject sanitizer to cure a virus, have brought us the highest unemployment rates seen in a century, dismantled and fired safety regulation and watchdog agencies (deh DERK-A-DURRBS!), are trying to bring back child labor and company towns, and conveniently rail against taxation which they dodge anyway.
Sure, but I think the cultural component of Agent Orange had a lot to do with it as well. That’s why it’s always sprayed by planes.
They’re just researching ChemRail™s
Meanwhile, the government: “That’s fucking stupid. We don’t poison you with the air, that would be inefficient. We have to breathe that, too. We just poison the water and the soil, and if you’re a target we will just pick you up off of the street like a stray cat, we’ve always been very up front about that.”
So true. I have a classmate who is an anti-vaxxer, even though we did biology.
D’s get Degrees too
More like elementary school. We learned about water vapor in 3rd grade.
Google has conquered the skies. You can no longer do any nefarious shit in the atmosphere without invoking the wrath of one of the biggest companies in Earth.
I literally put it together in highschool when someone mentioned it to me after learning about how clouds form from nuclei.
