NRA been quiet right
So if you shoot someone acting on a no knock warrant, are you in the wrong? What if you live in a state with a castle law?
It helps a lot if there’s only one side to the story. Because the other guys in a body bag.
I feel like I would run out of ammo before they stopped coming.
I have lots of cameras. Some hidden. I have all kinds of evidence. Best things be done according to the law on my premises. The Constitutional law, not the flippant ravings done on a whim just to test the actual laws put in place for 200 years.
Depends on the state. But if you shoot a cop, regardless of how justified, your next 10 years, should you see them, are going to suck. And the following 10 are iffy.
There’s guys who successfully used self defense and didn’t do significant time.
White?
Of course.
Okay, and how much were they harassed by the angry swine in their neighborhood? I specifically did not mention incarceration.
These are the cops who are whisking people away to El Salvador with the intent of leaving them there forever. Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.
But if you shoot ALL the cops?
Hey yea that’s right,you yanks love shooting people on your property
If they have a badge and I get away with it, yeah. Especially an ICE badge. Traffic cops have done some good. But I can’t remember hearing any story about ICE that was about them doing anything positive, ever.
Watch the life drain from their dead eyes and know some good was done as I have purified the evil trained into their husk like a cancer.
Everybody wins.
But shooting people in general? Nah. Personally speaking, anyway. I don’t even have a gun myself.
I feel the opposite goes for conservatives. They’ll shoot anyone they can argue they felt threatened by. But they’ll lick ICE boots on request.
Just know that with the first shot, they are going to unload every round of ammo they have until every living thing in that house is dead.
Morally and constitutionally no, but good luck living long enough to argue that in a court.
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I’m sorry, I can’t figure out what you meant to say with “not about to people,” and it’s driving me nuts.
Not about the people
They’re fine with tyranny as long as they see it as “their” tyranny. And they’ll still be blaming the gays and the immigrants when they themselves are dragged off to the gulag.
It’s time for the democrats to take up arms then. It’ll probably start a civil war again.
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
The only moral
abortiontyranny is myabortiontyranny.
I wonder what’ll happen when they raid a house belonging to one of the trigger-happy gun collectors
They will turn on them. Just like how they turned on Meat Loaf when he died of COVID.
A solid majority of the 2nd amendment crowd will immediately ask what they can do to lick the boot harder. Those motherfuckers love jackbooted authoritarianism as long as it’s aimed at the right minorities.
The homeowner will roll out with a gun and immediately be killed in a hail of bullets, despite acting entirely within their rights. No ICE agents will face any consequences, and the warrantless raids will continue. That’s what usually happens anyway. The 2nd amendment is a farce; law enforcement can legally kill you for exercising your right to bear arms if they want to.
Home owner doesn’t roll out anywhere, he starts blasting the door knowing it’s not gonna end well
Still, better than not doing anything. Make these fuckers afraid to go breaking into places in the night.
I’d prefer to die with my boots on, thank you very much. Hell, the pigs have trained us, by their actions, that if they knock down the door, they’re there to kill.
They’ll just start knocking the house over with bulldozers like Fallujah, or bomb them like they did in Philly.
Drone strikes are a very real fear
The MOVE bombings are a good example of how deep the cowardice of racism is.
Hell the KKK largely formed in response to Americans getting military training in World War 1.
They’ll lie down before their master.
See the Breonna Taylor case or one of the many, many instances where dumbfuck no-knock raids got a cop put on GoFundMe. If the gun owner survives the encounter, they’re likely to be prosecuted for not magically knowing the home invaders were cops, or not believing “Police! Police!” (because everyone knows only cops can shout that). The cops will definitely shoot back, though, and there’s a high probability that the gun owner will not survive the initial encounter. Still, if enough cops get put on back window stickers, they’ll start exercising some discretion.
If the cops or ICE knock down your door, they are looking for any excuse to kill you. I’m not worried about surviving, let alone prosecution. I’m opening fire on anyone who kicks in my door. And no, I don’t have to stumble fuck around to get a weapon in hand. Catch me on the shitter. GTG.
And now that I have a brown (legal) immigrant wife, the stakes are suddenly real.
I always yell fbi when I’m robbing places that used to mean federal warrant. No idea what that shit means these days the fbi is a clown show. I’ll probably just switch to yelling robbery in the future.
One the same day Rittenhouse got off, a guy who defended himself against this exact thing was acquitted. But since the weapon he used wasn’t properly registered to him (a charge which the judge for Rittenhouse shrugged off and tossed on a whim) that guy got 30 years in spite.
They’ll find the loopholes to achieve the desired outcome.
Who dat?
Rittenhouse or Andrew Coffee IV?
https://reason.com/2021/11/22/man-faces-30-year-sentence-self-defense-andrew-coffee-iv-rittenhouse/
I realized it had been a while since I read about it so I did a little trip down memory lane and can correct a few points: he got 10 years, but had faced 30. Also the circumstances of the firearm possession were more different than I recalled: Coffee wasn’t allowed to have one and Rittenhouse just smuggled one.
In most of the US, there is no legal requirement of registering a weapon to a person. I think you’re confusing that with the Wisconsin law restricting the unsupervised use of dangerous weapons by those under 18.
Armed minorities are harder to oppress.
Organized armed minorities make governments afraid.
Get organized, train.
It’s that or lie down and take it.
I told Americans for weeks to go meet minorities in their communities, offer to help them organize and arm. Then help them resist.
I’ve been called every name you can imagine. Told they would all be killed in the streets (very possible I admit but not the point), I was reported a lot and given bans for inciting violence. I was attacked so much I shut my original account and use two new accounts so I don’t unintentionally dox myself.
Now it’s pretty common to see these comments.
This sounds good but tell that to the black panthers.
Like how election fraud completely disappeared once Trump won?
It’s only fraud when they lose. Snowflakes don’t like to lose.
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This is that tyranny you were always talking about
Reminds me of Alex Jones; or to be more precise, of the KnowledgeFight (play on InfoWars) podcast. All through 2025 they are commenting on Alex’ praise of Trumplon: “You should know that this is exactly what you pretended to be fighting against all those years.”
It really shows that the alt-right and related movements were never about freedom. It’s always been about the hate, mostly hate of others.
Alex Jones on the Patriot Act in 2003
The bill itself is stamped “Confidential - Not for Distribution.” Upon reading the analysis and bill, I was stunned by the scientifically crafted tyranny contained in the legislation. The Justice Department Office of Legislative Affairs admits that they had indeed covertly transmitted a copy of the legislation to Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, (R-Il) and the Vice President of the United States, Dick Cheney as well as the executive heads of federal law enforcement agencies.
[…]
SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the Bush administration’s “enemy combatant” definition to all American citizens who “may” have violated any provision of Section 802 of the first Patriot Act. (Section 802 is the new definition of domestic terrorism, and the definition is “any action that endangers human life that is a violation of any Federal or State law.”) Section 501 of the second Patriot Act directly connects to Section 125 of the same act. The Justice Department boldly claims that the incredibly broad Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act isn’t broad enough and that a new, unlimited definition of terrorism is needed.
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SECTION 322 removes Congress from the extradition process and allows officers of the Homeland Security complex to extradite American citizens anywhere they wish. It also allows Homeland Security to secretly take individuals out of foreign countries.
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SECTION 402 is titled “Providing Material Support to Terrorism.” The section reads that there is no requirement to show that the individual even had the intent to aid terrorists.
Not gonna click anything from a jesus-is-savior domain but I think it’s blatantly obvious Alex Jones is a huckster that peddled supplements and lies.
Occasionally he might have accidentally made a salient point but he has never been and never will be a good source of information. It’s ironic his show’s name is also what he’s doing, fighting a war on information and truth with his bullshit and lies.
The point is this
“You should know that this is exactly what you pretended to be fighting against all those years.”
Alex Jones has always been a fucking nut, but the beliefs he holds now are antithetical to the beliefs he had then. There was a brief period where he was popular in more left leaning circles because criticism of the Patriot Act and the War in Iraq was not popular, and he was genuinely one of the first and loudest voices.
The concerning this is that he is cheering for things that he would have actively decried then. Before Trump was the nominee, he was not pro Trump. There is something strange with these MAGA cult figures - where their beliefs are subsumed into a devotion to their God figure.
They’re hanging out with the free speech people, watching university students get deported for speaking freely and laughing at it.
I’m not being quiet about it AT ALL. This is why I’ve been trying to convince my liberal friends to arm themselves for years.
If you know any commies, remind them that Marx wanted them armed
The ‘under no pretext’ phrase is significantly stronger than ‘the right to bear arms’ if both were the word of law. It explicitly says to confront anyone who threatens it.
How should one go about learning to use their rifle?
Point open end towards the thing you’re shooting, press stock into armpit. Insert loaded magazine, pull back bolt, turn off safety, squeeze trigger. If automatic, squeeze trigger again, repeat. You can also find indoor ranges that will have classes usually. Most will have limits on calibers allowed though. Outdoor ranges usually have no limits (or do but aren’t monitored).
Join a club or find some locals to tag along with. Go to a range and start shooting. I do suggest to start with a 22lr because of the cost of ammo these days, don’t not practice with the larger calibers, but for $25 you can get 350+ rounds of 22lr vs like 40ish rounds of .223/556 or even less with 308.
Plinkers are so much fun. Great to practice with, no recoil, and not very loud. I suggest people have a .22 and a shotgun (for defense and to get a feeling for how to deal with recoil and sound without flinching). 20g can be affordable, too. 12g gets a little costly and can be a little too rough for those not prepared for them.
Bought my first gun ever immediately after the November election. When anyone brings up the stock market these days I tell them I’m investing in seeds, fresh water, and ammunition.
Invest in water purification, if that isn’t what you meant. The means to make safe water in decent quantities is going to be so important. I’m very lucky to have a strong spring fed swamp/bog on my property that I’m confident in being able to purify if my well crapped out somehow. Plan next winter is to get out there and find out where exactly the spring is.
Got 2 acres of swamp in the boonies. If I had to do it all over again, with the money I’ve blown over the last 5 years, I would have dropped a well and solar powered pump. Nothing on Earth is as important as water. Hell, just putting in a gravity shower was a game changer.
Don’t discount the value of surface water, be it for irrigation, livestock, power generation/pumped hydro, or simply boiling the piss out of and filtering. I am working on an impoundment at the high point of the property and a pumping system to get water up there/generate electricity on it’s way back down.
Oh no I don’t discount it! Surface water is where I get all my water. Gotta fix my little pump tonight, but I use it to get water uphill 150’ to the barrel on top of my shower/sink thing. I chunk a 1" chlorine tabs in the 69g tank, good to good. Bonus: any silt settles to the bottom couple of inches. I’ll have to dump and clean it someday, but for now it’s crystal clear “pool water”. Damned nice shower after working all day in the heat and humidity!
If I really had to I could make it drinkable, but I’m thinking a deep enough well would solve that? Isn’t that the idea, go deep enough and the water is clean? Again, the property is half swamp so the water table is only a few feet underground. Advice?
Same, they think I’m nuts. Oh well
Imagine believing fascists actually have principles.
2nd amendment people never cared about defending against tyranny, they just wanted their cool boom boom toys and specifically nthis group also just wanted to be able to be racist twats
That whole group struck me as a fantasy LARP long ago. Down with believing cons at face value.
No one is looking to incite a civil war, even if many people on both sides fantasize about it. War is grueling and terrible and we are still too comfortable to risk it. BUT. I think preparing ourselves for the eventuality is wise. Really the best move we could make would be a general strike. It’d be a bloodless deathblow to this stupid stupid situation.
The 99% who always vote team color have no true morals or standards. Their opinions are based on whatever their preferred news network tells them to believe or simple convenience.
Here you go
I thought tyranny was when the government tells you to not throw trash in the river or pays for kids public elementary?
/s
Tyranny is when the government doesn’t recognize my right as the divine head of my family and king of my castle - not allowing me to expose others to infectious disease, forcing me to ensure that my children learn how to read and count, stopping me from buying a gun after beating my wife, and denying me the ability to purchase something that has been marketed specifically to my Oppositional Defiance Disorder (ivermectin, raw milk, probably fucking asbestos eventually); while having the gall to allow black people to vote and gay people to get married.
