It’s far more complicated than a simple meme can convey.
But, ML’s typically believe a vanguard party will seize the state on behalf of the proletariat and usher in a socialist state that will take an undetermined amount of time to transition into a communist state-less society.
When the CCP is doing the same thing to Uyghur Muslims that Israel is doing to Gazans, which is to violate the rights and freedoms of people who do not perfectly align with their ideology, they exhibit cognitive dissonance. I’m an anarchist and know very well how Marxist-Leninists feel about us. We’ve been betrayed in Catalonia, Ukraine, and Kronstadt. We are fundamentally opposed to any kind of authoritarian rule and they kind of need that rule to begin their socio-political experiment.
I had to block the entire ML instance from seeing too much of their crazy. I didn’t for a long time thinking, “Eh, let’s hear them out.” But I had heard enough.
They do exist… They’re over at Lemmygrad.ml, I ventured over when I had the same question
Their ideology is a mess, they don’t have a roadmap beyond “workers of the world unite, then we’ll figure everything out”. And some of them think China and Russia are communist, or at least socialist… Which first off, they’re not, but more importantly they’re authoritarian regimes, which gets glossed over
It’s a fraction of the left, and a fraction of them are so focused on America bad they ignore what China does, and a fraction of them outright deny China or Russia have ever done anything wrong… I’ve encountered them online, but it’s very rare - especially if you don’t go looking for them
Do these people exist or are they just strawmen? I’ve not really ever encountered so-called “tankies”.
They’re strawmen. If you look at this user’s profile, you see that they’re just a troll, waiting to get banned for going on ML instances and basically begging to be banned so that we can all see “how evil the evil commies truly are”.
Every left leaning person I’ve actually met are against authoritarianism.
And so are “tankies”. It’s just that people are unwilling to have nuanced and complex conversations. And instead of really engaging with different ideologies, a lot of people just result to name calling
You have seen people who are against US imperialism having a wide set of opinions on the conflict. But no communists support Putin. He’s a fascist reactionary.
You only think that because you’ve never engaged with them and because you’re not used to having nuance in conversations
You have seen people who are against US imperialism having a wide set of opinions on the conflict. But no communists support Putin. He’s a bigoted reactionary.
Lol, no true scottsman much? I’ve looked through histories on some of the people I’ve run into, and their history says they are. Honestly, you may as well be saying
‘Sure they say they’re communist, express communist beliefs, read communist literature and engage in long, drawn out conversations regarding communist praxis, but they support Putin so they’re not really a communist.’
This thread has been inundated with links to the commenters. Maybe you could take umbridge with the use of the word “communist”, but largely that’s a label they assert for themselves, and most criticism of them ignores the communist part, since that doesn’t even in theory align with Russia, and is beside the point even for China.
Why would I bother linking more shit for you when you’re already *crickets* against the shit that’s already been linked? You’re hot on the draw to respond to me without a link, but awfully quiet to those who linked you what you wanted, why don’t you go talk to them? Or would you rather engage with what you think is going to be the easy dunk lol?
Russia and Putin are no more communist than the US. Occam’s razor is that if a communist supports Russia, they are not a tankie, they are a complete idiot.
Sure ‘no true Scotsman’. I’ve seen people who claim to be communists support Putin. I’ve engaged with them for hours and hours, but needed to stop for mental health reasons.
There’s shitloads of them. I’ve seen them online in communism forums and I’ve even had the misfortune of meeting tankies irl on several occasions. It’s like listening to that North Korean newswoman.
I’m a was aproud american and I won’t sit around and defend slavery colonialism etc. I don’t think your a tanky. It’s not an unpopular opinion to detest our histroy of slavery…yet. A tanky is usually outwardly violent and inwardly hypocritical. Their ideologies conflict with their words, and written/lived history. They are called tankies because they cheer the tanks rolling over protestors of communism. Just like the MAGA movement. It’s just a horseshoe away. There is no moral boundaries when it comes to pushing ideology. Tankies are the nazis of the far left, they are genocide lovers. They just want to genocide away opposing ideologies.
Lol bro they are exterminating the Uyghurs faster than the palestinians. How is palestine a serious genocide by your standards if its been going on for 80 years with less results than 8 years in china?
Trail of tears didn’t take 80 years. they exterminated the natives. Holocaust didn’t take 80 years. But isreals comitting the slowest moving genocide in history? While being constantly attacked?
Genocide is not just about numbers. If the Bosnian genocide qualifies as a genocide, then Gaza definitely qualifies too.
In my view, the Gaza genocide is also worse than the Holocaust in many respects. For one, most Germans didn’t know about, or support, genocide, nor did the Nazi’s have any kind of democratic mandate.
Whereas in the US and Israel, this is the first time a democracy is committing genocide with popular support.
By all accounts, China isn’t killing Uyghurs, but re-educating them.
The comment said point blank that China does slavery and colonialism. For wars, they refer to recent history and that’s largely accurate in recent history (at least directly, indirectly they supply and offset Russian military presence), they haven’t used direct military force to get what they want yet. Largely because people would just give them pretty much whatever they wanted for economic considerations. Biggest potential place for things to boil over directly would be if they finally went into Taiwan.
They are still evil in how they treat Uyghurs, Tibetans and democracy activists. They definitely use torture on dissidents.
Nah, you’re not a tankie if you’re saying that earnestly.
Tankies defend the CCP/Russia no matter what, it’s always they’ve done nothing wrong and if they did, it wasn’t that bad, and if it was that bad, it was just “western propaganda” so it isn’t true.
I’ve seen (and documented) them saying that “they’re just reeducation camps, they’re not that bad and it’s done anyways so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯” and allowing Russian propaganda that their invasion “was just a diplomatic maneuver”
You’re just bringing an argument “I think X is bad, but not worse than Y because Z”
Do these people exist or are they just strawmen? I’ve not really ever encountered so-called “tankies”.
Every left leaning person I’ve actually met are against authoritarianism.
TL;DR: You’re on lemmy.world which has defederated from the main instances these types of people and their communities are on.
Longer answer: Read my response to the other commenter who didn’t think tankies existed here
I’m guessing .world has defederated from .ml and lemmygrad
It’s far more complicated than a simple meme can convey.
But, ML’s typically believe a vanguard party will seize the state on behalf of the proletariat and usher in a socialist state that will take an undetermined amount of time to transition into a communist state-less society.
When the CCP is doing the same thing to Uyghur Muslims that Israel is doing to Gazans, which is to violate the rights and freedoms of people who do not perfectly align with their ideology, they exhibit cognitive dissonance. I’m an anarchist and know very well how Marxist-Leninists feel about us. We’ve been betrayed in Catalonia, Ukraine, and Kronstadt. We are fundamentally opposed to any kind of authoritarian rule and they kind of need that rule to begin their socio-political experiment.
There aren’t any. This is a dem centrist tactic
Lemmy is full of tankies. It’s pretty much their personal echo chamber at this point.
Feels like half of lemmings run into tankies every day, and the other half is lucky enough to never have encountered one.
If you keep away from certain instances and communities, it’s not too hard to avoid them.
Blocking users helps too. Lemmy is still small enough to curate your experience significantly by blocking users you don’t want to see.
You also should consider that tankies isn’t what this group calls themselves.
Show me one person in here support russia or China. Get your bs out of here
Are you talking specifically in this community or instance? Just go venture into the tankie triad for that nonsense.
i am talking in this community. more so, why would i willing venture in tankieness? just to prove you right? no, that is on you
World has defederated from the worst instances, so this sweet summer child may have their innocence intact.
I had to block the entire ML instance from seeing too much of their crazy. I didn’t for a long time thinking, “Eh, let’s hear them out.” But I had heard enough.
I’ve mostly seen them online on places like hexbear.net, but I know at least one in real life.
Just check out the comment by queermunist right here in the comment section.
@[email protected]
e.g. https://lemmy.ml/post/27810449
As far as centrists are concerned, everyone to the left of netanyahu is a tankie.
As far as tankies are concerned, everyone not glazing Stalin or Mao is a shitlib or a centrist.
Stalin and Mao are both dead. Their ghosts are not in the room with us right now.
netanyahu is still alive and committing genocide, much to your delight.
They do exist… They’re over at Lemmygrad.ml, I ventured over when I had the same question
Their ideology is a mess, they don’t have a roadmap beyond “workers of the world unite, then we’ll figure everything out”. And some of them think China and Russia are communist, or at least socialist… Which first off, they’re not, but more importantly they’re authoritarian regimes, which gets glossed over
It’s a fraction of the left, and a fraction of them are so focused on America bad they ignore what China does, and a fraction of them outright deny China or Russia have ever done anything wrong… I’ve encountered them online, but it’s very rare - especially if you don’t go looking for them
only online
They’re strawmen. If you look at this user’s profile, you see that they’re just a troll, waiting to get banned for going on ML instances and basically begging to be banned so that we can all see “how evil the evil commies truly are”.
And so are “tankies”. It’s just that people are unwilling to have nuanced and complex conversations. And instead of really engaging with different ideologies, a lot of people just result to name calling
Anything can be called a strawman if you don’t bother to look at evidence showing that it happens.
I’ve seen people defending Russia in their invasion of Ukraine. Russia is under authoritarian control, so I’d qualify them as tankie.
No you haven’t.
You have seen people who are against US imperialism having a wide set of opinions on the conflict. But no communists support Putin. He’s a fascist reactionary.
You only think that because you’ve never engaged with them and because you’re not used to having nuance in conversations
Lol, no true scottsman much? I’ve looked through histories on some of the people I’ve run into, and their history says they are. Honestly, you may as well be saying
‘Sure they say they’re communist, express communist beliefs, read communist literature and engage in long, drawn out conversations regarding communist praxis, but they support Putin so they’re not really a communist.’
Then I’ll ask you the same:
Show me links of these alleged Putin-loving communists. I’ve already been waiting for house lol
This thread has been inundated with links to the commenters. Maybe you could take umbridge with the use of the word “communist”, but largely that’s a label they assert for themselves, and most criticism of them ignores the communist part, since that doesn’t even in theory align with Russia, and is beside the point even for China.
Why would I bother linking more shit for you when you’re already *crickets* against the shit that’s already been linked? You’re hot on the draw to respond to me without a link, but awfully quiet to those who linked you what you wanted, why don’t you go talk to them? Or would you rather engage with what you think is going to be the easy dunk lol?
If you’re not going to respond to people who have already done the shit you asked, why should I bother to waste more time when you appear to be participating in bad faith?
Tankies are a joke, and it stopped being funny years ago.
That’s a lot of words to say nothing and link no sources to the only claim you made so far…
And you can’t because, just like everyone else, you’re making it the fuck up.
I’m so done engaging with people like you
This is why y’all are a joke. There are two links that link to tankies being tankies, but you gotta hold onto your ego instead of clicking a link.
Because you fucking can’t. Intellectual honesty is something you’ve only read about LOL
Russia and Putin are no more communist than the US. Occam’s razor is that if a communist supports Russia, they are not a tankie, they are a complete idiot.
They’re a useful idiot.
RT, a known Putin mouthpiece, not only is allowed to proliferate there, calling it out as such is censored
Sure ‘no true Scotsman’. I’ve seen people who claim to be communists support Putin. I’ve engaged with them for hours and hours, but needed to stop for mental health reasons.
Do you have links then? Or any actual proof to show what you’re saying?
I’ll wait
“If you don’t support Russia, you just don’t understand international geopolitics” ~dessalines themself
In before they claim that dessalines isnt a communist.
Lol nah, I have documented the admins of lemmy.mls censorship:
https://lemmy.world/post/26783983
https://lemmy.world/post/26730734
https://lemmy.world/post/26416571
https://lemmy.world/post/26047186
https://lemmy.world/post/25811271
their Authoritarian support
https://lemmy.world/post/26683568
https://lemmy.world/post/25933288
https://lemmy.world/post/25280256
https://lemmy.world/post/25129246
And the propaganda they allow to proliferate
https://lemmy.world/post/27416097
https://lemmy.world/post/27012640
And that’s just a sampling of my documentation so far, available on [email protected]
Who needs to document it when you can just check the modlog.
To be able to point at that easily.
This guy documents
I’m sure you’ll see some here. Supporting Russia and China has been becoming more fashionable on .ml.
https://lemmings.world/post/23482787
show me one
1
It was fashionable there before 2023, then when the whole influx came in many outsiders joined and diluted it, now it’s returning
I have this guy tagged as “divides the left at any cost”, for what that’s worth. :)
Not a difficult job tbh, no one hates the left more than the left.
“Damn leftists, they ruined the left”
There’s shitloads of them. I’ve seen them online in communism forums and I’ve even had the misfortune of meeting tankies irl on several occasions. It’s like listening to that North Korean newswoman.
They very much exist, a few famous folks around from lemmygrad and hexbear
I have only seen them online. I figure they are trolls or bots.
But I do think that China has a better human rights record than the US and Israel.
They are still evil in how they treat Uyghurs, Tibetans and democracy activists. They definitely use torture on dissidents.
But it’s not that difficult to be better than slavery, genocide, war and colonialism. And the US and Israel also use torture.
So maybe I am the tankie that OP refers to.
I’
m awas aproud american and I won’t sit around and defend slavery colonialism etc. I don’t think your a tanky. It’s not an unpopular opinion to detest our histroy of slavery…yet. A tanky is usually outwardly violent and inwardly hypocritical. Their ideologies conflict with their words, and written/lived history. They are called tankies because they cheer the tanks rolling over protestors of communism. Just like the MAGA movement. It’s just a horseshoe away. There is no moral boundaries when it comes to pushing ideology. Tankies are the nazis of the far left, they are genocide lovers. They just want to genocide away opposing ideologies.Ah, yes. The Uyghur genocide: famously free of genocide.
Apparently it is, because other than constant wars China does all of those things.
The Uyghur genocide is better described as a cultural genocide, not a real genocide.
It is still awful, still bad. But it doesn’t involve large scale murder and it doesn’t meet the criteria used to qualify as a legal genocide.
In contrast, the Gaza genocide is definitely a genocide, as was the trail of tears.
if Israel really wanted to kill all Palestinians, they could do so within a week
Lol bro they are exterminating the Uyghurs faster than the palestinians. How is palestine a serious genocide by your standards if its been going on for 80 years with less results than 8 years in china?
Trail of tears didn’t take 80 years. they exterminated the natives. Holocaust didn’t take 80 years. But isreals comitting the slowest moving genocide in history? While being constantly attacked?
Kill yourself, nazi scum.
Genocide is not just about numbers. If the Bosnian genocide qualifies as a genocide, then Gaza definitely qualifies too.
In my view, the Gaza genocide is also worse than the Holocaust in many respects. For one, most Germans didn’t know about, or support, genocide, nor did the Nazi’s have any kind of democratic mandate.
Whereas in the US and Israel, this is the first time a democracy is committing genocide with popular support.
By all accounts, China isn’t killing Uyghurs, but re-educating them.
5000 years of history and apparently no wars, slaves or colonies. Amazing, if true.
The comment said point blank that China does slavery and colonialism. For wars, they refer to recent history and that’s largely accurate in recent history (at least directly, indirectly they supply and offset Russian military presence), they haven’t used direct military force to get what they want yet. Largely because people would just give them pretty much whatever they wanted for economic considerations. Biggest potential place for things to boil over directly would be if they finally went into Taiwan.
Nah, you’re not a tankie if you’re saying that earnestly.
Tankies defend the CCP/Russia no matter what, it’s always they’ve done nothing wrong and if they did, it wasn’t that bad, and if it was that bad, it was just “western propaganda” so it isn’t true.
I’ve seen (and documented) them saying that “they’re just reeducation camps, they’re not that bad and it’s done anyways so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯” and allowing Russian propaganda that their invasion “was just a diplomatic maneuver”
You’re just bringing an argument “I think X is bad, but not worse than Y because Z”
There’s a transparency gap as well, it’s harder to find details on some of those things than others.
[email protected] if you want to see what’s been documented