Can we Philadelphians join?
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As someone from a South Jersey suburb of Philly: take me with you!
Any reasons why these two neighborhoods go against the grain? Are they the posh suburbs?
No, you guys know what you’ve done
Why are non-European countries even allowed to participate?
Because Australia were mega fans, so they invited us :3
Eurovision is organised by the European Broadcasting Union, which includes basically all countries in the European Broadcasting Area (basically Europe + all of the Mediterranean). Those include Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Israel, Armenia, etc. They have always been allowed to participate. Australia is an outlier. They just got a special invitation.
All countries associated with the European Broacast Union can participate.
Brazil, Peru, Japan, India, and even China and the US could participate too.
Russia and Lybia used to be part of the EBU but they were suspended. They know what they did.
All countries associated with the European Broacast Union can participate.
Theoretically yes, but associated members (in contrast to full members) still need to be approved on a case by case basis.
Active members (as opposed to associate members) of the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) are eligible to participate; […]. Associate member broadcasters may be eligible to compete, dependent on approval by the contest’s reference group.[49]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest#Participation
This is genius!
Jesus Christ, yes please!
Are we going to be called anti-Semitic?
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As a European, I think it would be pretty funny if, after Brexit, the other parts of the former Empire joined the EU.
But at least right now, membership is probably more of a meme - some solid cooperation and shared institutions would be amazing, though.
EU already said this can’t work. It said in the rooms only European countries can join the EU. But something can be worked out, no doubt.
EuropeanWorldwide UnionGlobalists but for real this time.
You have to be “substantially European”, which includes Cyprus, which is fully in Asia and half Turkish. Also, Greenland and to a degree Iceland aren’t geographically European.
Neither Greenland nor Iceland are in the EU.
Ah shit, you’re right about Iceland. I thought it was for some reason.
Greenland like usual has no data (because WTF is it really? Independent? A territory?). Denmark definitely is, though, and Greenlanders presently get the full benefits of that.
No, but French Guiana is, and it’s in South America.
kind of
Membership of the European Economic Area - same as Norway - for example.
Comes with being part of the EU Internal Market, Freedom Of Movement (both ways, of course) and exceptions in a couple of areas (such as fishing rights not being decided by the EU, which I suspect is something that Canada would rather have) but without voting power within the EU.
Canada becomes a France province, easy.
Or France becomes a Canadian one and switch to English as the primary official language. It would solve a ton of issues and I’m sure the French would be okay with it.
It’s been ok so far in Canada.
Wait…
Where did they get all those torches and pitchforks so fast?
I’m not sure why I keep seeing this posted, like it’s some sort of gotcha. It doesn’t mean our other elections would have to change, just the brand new representatives to the EU.
The vote for liberal leadership used Preferential Voting where you could indicate more than one preference.
There would be voting changes , I believe, something about EU membership requiring a certain type of voting system. Eg. Not FPP
Hungary’s system is half proportional, half FPP on steroids, but it’s just as bad as FPP since our FPP lets the winner not just take the seat, but also extra votes into the proportional part of the race.
So, no, the EU is fine with everything, the only thing is that EU citizens have to be able to vote in local elections wherever we live, regardless of citizenship. That means if you join, and I rent a place in Toronto and move in, I get a vote for the Toronto mayor on day one.
A lot of people don’t get it until they see it in action.
My union recently had a vote about increasing health benefits. “No” won in one of the categories because there were 3 options for how much to increase it by. (Yes won by 76% while the no beat the top yes 24% to 23%)
I pointed this out at the next meeting and we had a vote and struck the no vote. Later a bunch of people said thanks for pointing that out, and my reply was “no sweat, we have the same problem with our elections.”
Then everyone applauded and Einstein gave me a piece of π. Just kidding, it was more like weird looks and a couple agreements, but I like to think I brought the issue to a few people’s attention.
It’s not about being a “gotcha” - it’s about demonstrating a pathway to better democratic representation.
You’re right that EU membership would only require PR for European Parliament representatives initially. However, this would create several significant opportunities:
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Practical demonstration: Canadians would experience firsthand how an electoral system that ensures every vote counts actually works, rather than just hearing theoretical arguments.
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Institutional precedent: Once PR is successfully implemented for one electoral body, the argument that it’s “too complex” or “un-Canadian” becomes much harder to maintain.
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Democratic legitimacy gap: Having representatives to the EU Parliament elected through PR while our own MPs are chosen through FPTP would create an obvious legitimacy contrast that would be difficult to justify.
The Liberal leadership vote using preferential voting actually supports this point. Internal party processes already recognize the limitations of FPTP - they just don’t extend those same democratic principles to the general electorate. In fact, all parties, even the Conservatives, use superior electoral systems to FPTP.
The reality is that 76% of Canadians support electoral reform according to recent polling, but our major parties benefit from maintaining a system that systematically discards votes. Exposure to functioning PR would make the democratic deficit in our current system increasingly apparent.
I get what you are saying, but the UK joined the EU with FPTP voting and left the EU because of FPTP. So while I agree that exposure might change things I do doubt it.
From all I’ve having lived in a couple of countries in the EU (including the UK), exposure to Proportional Vote in the EU Parliament Election seems to have zero impact on people wanting it for other election, maybe because EU MPs are too far away from most people and don’t really get all that much news coverage, unlike the national politics of a country.
Mind you, personally exposure to Proportional Vote when I was living in The Netherlands has definitely made my mind in favour of it, especially after I moved to Britain and was exposed to their shit-show FPTP voting system (worse than my own country of Portugal which as multi-representant electoral circles, so way less Democratic than PR but nowhere as bad as FPTP).
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Because it’s a step towards proportional representation. It would expose much more of the populace to how it’s done. Hopefully getting more people used to the idea of it.
#28thnever51st
I (from yrp) would absolutely love this <3
Well, if Canada can take part in the Eurovision song contest, they might as well join the EU.
Everyone knows supreme executive power is derived from Eurovision.
Fucking Celine Dion
We have already rejected Morocco because of geographical reasons…
But Cyprus is already in. And really, how sure are we that was the real main reason?
Failing that, we’ll just have to slum it with Norway and Switzerland.
Still have Australia and Israel so
Eurovision Song Contest, European Union, whats the difference?
It’s the same picture.
Lol I wasn’t aware they applied to EU, fair call
Let’s just rename the EU to “United Earth” like in Star Trek, since Australia is practically in it already on account of being in Eurovision.
That way we don’t need to change the initials, just swap them.
Earth United would be better, no need to even change the merch.
That’s the soccer team.
They always lose on penalties to fuckin Mars, man
The refs are such hacks. If they weren’t on the take from MarsX Mining Co. those marties wouldn’t stand a chance against us.
#canadentry
Well, we do share a land border with Denmark. Sooooo…. we’re practically European already!
And France (Saint Pierre) I think? Thanks CBC Gem!
That’s a sea border, but the idea is the same.
In fact, the distance between the shores of Newfoundland and St. Pierre and Miquelon is shorter than the width of the English Channel at the Straits of Dover (25km vs 34km).
We share a land border on the recently divided Hans Island.oops misread the threadingDon’t get me wrong I’m all for it but by this logic we can also include South America (French Guyana), central America (Caribbeans) all Pacific Islands (French Polynesia), Africa (too many to list), Indian subcontinent (la reunion) and Oceania (nouvelle Caledonie).
I look forward to Hawaii joining the EU :D
Saint Pierre and Miquelon, right by Newfoundland. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon
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Ya know, when you put it that way
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Pun intended. Get rocked.
That doesn’t look as absurd as it might seem at first!
especially once the north pole melts
I don’t see Erdogan being very happy about this map tho
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Yes please, I will vote to support this.
Don’t all member states have to vote us in? Can’t see that happening.
Especially with Hungary’s russian asset in command (yeah, we also have a Trump in Europe…)
Orban has to vote for Canada. Why? His regime will be over in 14 days if he does not get the EU money. Orban’s biggest rival is in first place according to the latest polls. If he wants to be re-elected, he cannot sabotage EU policy.
Another rich country paying membership fees. Why not? (Ignoring general bureaucratic problems)
As a Canadian, we promise to bring cake (and a shitload of natural resources) to the next meeting.
Fuck your cake. Fuck your natural resources. Fuck your bilungualism, affable manner, vast wildernesses and extensive waters. Keep them. We don’t want them.
WE JUST WANT THE POUTINE.
K.
Would you like extra gravy with that?
