Cross posted from Discuit
Good and screw the neo-Nazi who found the fuck out.
The trump sign probably only came down so they could put it back up at whatever trailer park they move into. They’ll gladly vote for the next trump-aligned fascist. These people are incapable of learning.
Yup. Realtor likely took it down because any political flag will devalue a house or turn away potential buyers.
Gonna be complaining DEI made him lose his job and Biden’s taxes made him lose his house
Yup.
Been paying attention to American politics for 20 years now. Have watched Republican leadership fail so spectacularly that it even pissed off a bunch of conservative voters. Didn’t matter. Next dogshit Republican candidate that came along, they were back onboard.
Because conservatives would rather have an actual, literal dictator than a Democrat president. That’s how far gone they are. They will sell out their country and their own futures to prevent the other team from winning. Hell, they just did in November. Economy is tanking and our allies all hate us now. Doesn’t matter though. The Democrat was worse…somehow.
I wonder sometimes if it is self defeating to brow beat, say “I told you so”, or rub someone’s face in it. Enjoyable as it may be.
You have to ridicule them a little in person: “What exactly were you expecting, did you think people were overreacting?”
The problem is you’re never going to be able to stop the internet from over indulging on mockery.
No you can’t change the internet’s mind, but how do people react to when ridiculed? How do you? I guess it all depends on what the end game is
Crisises like this is the opening to recruit the hitherto reactionary proletariat. Opinions are most often fickle anyways amongst the poorly educated. But damn its hard to not to feel gleeful for the suffering of hatefull fools.
Some people only learn when something bad happens to them.
Perhaps in private, but not if you remind them.
Consider this. Your asshole detestable uncle loses his house. On the one hand you can text him and say you deserve what you get you piece of shit.
Or invite him over to watch a baseball game. Avoid politics. Quietly remind him not everyone is a piece of shit.
Which do you think will more likely change his mind? Or which one will he double down on, write it off as an accident, and go deeper down the hole. I took one for the team.
Both of those require interacting with people in real life, which I avoid because humans are the most dangerous animals on the planet
That’s the mosquito
Humans kill billions, maybe trillions, of animals and millions of their own every year.
Mosquitos need to get on our level.
In terms of humans killed, mosquitoes have us 2 to 1:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deadliest_animals_to_humans
That statistic is specist
Trump crap was taken down on any neighbor’s homes (and there weren’t many) except one (and they have it kinda hidden) after 2020. Anyone supporting Trump at this point is an idiot, cruel, or both.
Agent Krasnov is, by ALL objective measures, the most prolific Traitor in American history. In fact, he has probably caused more damage than ALL other American traitors COMBINED.
At this point, anyone who still supports HitlerPig is as much an authentic traitor as he is. I only wish the very worst outcomes for them. Losing their jobs and homes is the mildest punishment they deserve.
I operate a business, and I havent had to hire anyone lately. But if I were, I would absolutely ask them who they supported for president in 2020 and 2024, which is perfectly legal. Anyone who voted for HitlerPig would be immediately, and rudely, be rejected. I won’t employ anyone with such obviously poor Critical Thinking Skills.
Trump support has been on full display in my area without interruption. “Don’t blame me, I voted for Trump” are the ones I’m keeping my eyes on the most, waiting for them to disappear.
It’s almost half the country though, he’s got like 46% of people approve of what he’s doing. I guess they’re just less in your face about it.
That isn’t true. Only 31% of adults voted for him vs 30% for Harris. The majority of adults didn’t vote because they didn’t like either candidate.
No, only 1.6% or whatever made the effort to reject both and vote for someone else. Anyone who didn’t vote were fine with either major party winning.
If 31% voted Trump, and 30% Harris, that leaves 39% not voting (minus the probably <1% that voted third party), which is also not a majority. Plurality yes, but not the majority.
Far more voted for Harris, but there was massive voter fraud, purged voter rolls, disenfranchised votes, rejected votes, all provisional votes were rejected, and voting machines were hacked, probably by multiple parties (Musk, Russians, Chinese, perhaps others).
Now the Republicans get to laugh derisively at Democrats falling all over themselves questioning the directions and strategies that actually won the election, but had it stolen. Rather than question their direction, the Dems should be supporting massive governmental and private investigations into the massive Republican election fraud in the 2024 election.
If the Dems don’t get their shit together, and stop pretending the Republicans won "fair & square, " we can expect nearly every Congressional election to got to Republicans, and HitlerPig will win the 2028 election with 98% of the vote. He will use that enormous number to justify ignoring the Consitutional 2 term limit.
100%. The stop the steal J6 nonsense was all part of a bigger picture effort to steal '24. They made it so the Dems would look crazy and hypocritical for calling them out. I like to think there’s some grandiose plan to expose this and take them down, but then I just feel like a Qanon idiot. There is no way Trump blabbering about people eating dogs and cats convinced anyone to vote for him. Kamala wiped the floor with him in the debate, and he just looked like a lunatic his entire 2024 campaign. I know I live in a very blue area, but I find it hard to believe anyone with half a brain voted for him in '24. I know he has his die hards, but imo, anyone not full MAGA wasn’t voting for him, and the MAGAs are clearly a minority from what I’ve observed in my travels. It just doesn’t make sense.
Exactly. The fact that he decisively won EVERY battleground state is impossible. After HitlerPig gave his State of the Union address, the Dems sent out a Michigan rep who gave credibility to the concept that there were many voters who voted entirely Democratic, except for HitlerPig, and she said it with a straight face, like such people truly exist. They absolutely don’t.
There’s a bunch of things here. The claim is that an algorithm was used to switch those Dem ballots to R’s, but they only changed president and possibly Senate as well, not any other races. They are trying to crowdfund audits. They claim there was a similar data pattern to the Russian election that vastly expanded Putin’s power which was long thought to have been a sham election.
I feel like Elon and Trump have been moving so fast at trying to break everything because they don’t want to get caught, which is so much easier when you fire all the IGs and Cyber security and election security personnel. It is a straight up coup, this is not normal.
Oh it’s true.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating
Although more people disapprove than approve (a recent phenomenon), 46-48% of the American public APPROVE of his current actions.
It’s literally BAFFLING.
Is it really true, though? I suspect a lot of those people dont really like HitlerPig, but they are diehard Republicans, and will vote for ANY Republican they are presented with. The only reason they support Republicans so much is because they have been well-indoctrinated by the Conservative Propaganda Machine, and they don’t have the Critical Thinking Skills to reject even the most obvious propaganda. They have been taught more to HATE evil Democrats/Liberals than love Republicans. They arent really voting for the Republican candidate, they are voting AGAINST ANY Democrat.
This is a distinction without a difference. They still back his actions and assisted him in regaining power. I guess if it makes you feel better about them, hold onto that.
I don’t feel good about them at all, I think they are disgusting traitors. But if we are going to get past this terrible era of our history, we are going to have to properly identify the mechanisms that are twisting their weak minds, so that we can properly deal with the real psychological strategies that they are succumbing to.
Absolutely, but absolving them of responsibility for their choices is not the answer.
I wonder if this has been substantiated in any way. If so, it would carry a great deal more meaning to everyone.
Either way, the whole DOGE experiment is nuts.
How the fuck did democrats go from the party that hates misinformation to the party that believes implausible posts on a platform known to be full nonsense because it fits a cute narrative?
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Considering how Lemmy feels about democrats and how everyone claims to be a true leftist…
Just because the Democrats are the most left leaning party available to Americans doesn’t make the democratic party a left leaning party. If anything the Democrats are centerists because their ultimate objective is to maintain the status quo. Lemmy reaches to far more countries that just the United States, places that have left leaning parties. Even left-wing extremists parties, although they’re definitely on the ropes lately.
The Democrats aren’t a progressive party, they’re a conservative party. It’s just with MAGA in the room the scale has moved so far to the right that the center (conservative) seems progressive.
I’m not really sure what you’re responding to here. I’m just saying this person is assuming the poster isn’t a leftist on a site that more dominated by leftists than true blue democrats.
It’s a classic “anyone who does something wrong must be on a different team.”
Ah, the classic anything I don’t agree with is fake news.
- On Twitter, the site known for random misinformation
- OP knows their neighbor well enough to know where they work, despite that not being nearly as common these days and OP not seeming like the kind of guy that would befriend Trump supporters
- OP’s neighbor is one of the minority of federal workers who are probationary employees, because that’s the only group Elon has been able to really fire right now
- OP’s neighbor simultaneously being a homeowner with a previously-stable job, but being in such dire financial straits that simply missing two paychecks results in a complete crashout.
- OP’s neighbor then selling the house instead of taking advantage of the large number of hardship programs that would be available for someone with issues paying their mortgage, at least temporarily.
Like is this possible? Yes. However it’s highly implausible, and conveniently matches the whole “stupid Drunpf supporters regret their decision” narrative that both Lemmy and reddit absolutely adore. To take this at any sort of face value without any genuine shred of concrete evidence is insane.
OP’s neighbor is one of the minority of federal workers who are probationary employees, because that’s the only group Elon has been able to really fire right now
This part isn’t true. At this point, probably over half of the fired workers were permanent, from agencies that are closing or are implementing RIFs. Most are still drawing paychecks, but budgeting does (and should) change once someone is informed that they’ll be out of a job in the next month or two.
For many agencies, these satellite offices often have monopsony power over workers of certain job skills. NOAA and the National Weather Service employ a lot of people who have job functions not really available from another employer, especially without moving. The same is true of NIH and CDC. HHS just announced the closure of several lawyer offices, and those specialists are going to have a bit of a rough time finding replacement jobs. USDA is a big organization, and have a ton of economists and scientists who would basically have to take a big pay cut if they’re laid off in this environment.
You’re downplaying just how devastating some of these job losses are, by ignoring that many of these people moved to these cities in reliance on the job stability they expected, and downplaying the number of people affected and the length of tenure these people have.
I don’t have a strong view of whether this story is literally true of this specific account’s neighbor. But I can tell you that versions of this story have happened to thousands already, and will happen to tens of thousands more.
In other words you don’t give a shit about facts so long as they fit your worldview.
If OP’s neighbor got a promotion within the last 2 years he is a probationary employee.
Everyone is assuming he lost the house. Maybe he got a better job and is moving to a new and better house, closer to the new job
Ah, the classic “don’t believe everything you read on the internet” is more like it. That’s half the reason we’re in the mess.
How did getting laid off during cutbacks go from commonplace to implausible? Are you taking the wrong meds?
Nobody is this stupid. You’re being intentionally dishonest.
USDA isn’t the private sector. There are strict rules against firing the vast majority of employees. It’s why Trump has largely gone after probationary employees, as they have less protections. Even that has been wrapped up in several different ongoing court cases.
There are also mortgage forbearance programs designed for temporary job loss. Even without them, foreclosure is a lengthy process. It’s not something that’s initiated after one missed payment.
So for this story to be true:
- OP, a progressive Twitter influencer, lives next to a hardcore MAGA republican. Unlikely, but relatively common
- Said MAGA republican is also a federal government employee. More unlikely, but still relatively common
- Said federal government employee is among the roughly 10 percent of government workers that are probationary. Relatively rare, but not unheard of
- Despite being new to federal employment and federal employment known for someone that you do for the long haul for pension reasons, OP’s neighbor has the money to buy a house. Relatively rare, but not unheard of
- Despite having the finances for a home, is in such dire straits that the only option after one missed paycheck is to sell their home. Very rare, but not unheard of
- Despite being very into politics and a government employee, is wholly unaware of the pending legal actions against said firing, including the current rulings reversing the staffing cuts.
All of this is possible. The world is a strange place. However the confluence of all those things being true is highly improbable, perfectly matches the “dumb conservatives gonna regret their choice” narrative progressive influencers push, and is sourced from a platform known for being full of misinformation and bait.
Nobody is this stupid. You’re being intentionally dishonest.
When you start out like that there’s no motivation for me to even read the rest of your comment. “Fuck you, now here’s my opinion” is never a good opener.
Great. Less time dealing with someone trying to bullshit me.
So anyways I started shit posting…
Is “MAGAtard” okay to say on Lemmy without getting banned? It’s not a slur against mentally challenged people FFS, it’s a slur against MAGA. I think MAGAt is a poor substitute.
If you have to ask, you probably already know the answer. You can insult them without playing off of a slur for another group.
I bet his flag is down just for selling purposes. He probably blames Joe Biden.
IU BLAME JOE DIDDN TOO
A Twitter checkmark? In 2025?
Kinda cheapens the post a bit.
You don’t need to be right wing/maga to post engagement-farming on Twitter.
A left wing liberal who gives money to the fascist in charge for a little blue dot is an idiot and a half.
I don’t disagree, but that left wing liberal is just trying to make easy money via engagement - just like the right wing grifters.
/r/thathappened material
/r/nothingeverhappens
MAGA rules America! Radical left wing woke socialist democrats are in the freezer at the morgue.
Wrong site brother
No, that was very intentional lol
🤗
Trust me bro.
If they had just said “my Trump voting Neighbor just lost his job at the USDA. FAFO.” I’d be totally down to believe it. Tons of people are losing their jobs right now, that is reality. But the flag/house thing? Give me a fucking break
Maybe it’s real, maybe not, but it’s certainly plausible.
Of course it’s plausible. The point is that it’s most likely not true.
Plausibility is incredibly useful way to introduce falsehood.
So, basically we know it’s a falsehood because it’s plausible. Saying something plausible is precisely what a liar would do!
That is not even remotely what I said and you know it
No, I don’t.
Please elaborate.
I don’t understand why so many people are eager to (metaphorically) scream “FAKE!!!” at every story (that isn’t highly unlikely) told on the internet. Sure, maybe, but does it even matter? Odds are good something like this did happen somewhere.
odds are good something like this did happen somewhere
I heard very similar responses when conservatives were shown that Haitians were not eating dogs in Ohio.
Loosing a job means no more mortgage payments, so that’s not too far fetched.
Most people don’t immediately sell their homes the moment they are laid off.
When you see moving to a smaller house is inevitable, it might not be worth it to delay for some additional months. Better preserve the savings so they last longer. When your economy goes south, better start more economical life right away.
I didn’t say it never happens. I’m saying most people don’t respond to layoffs by selling their home immediately. Trump hasn’t even been in office for 60 days. So this dude probably got laid off, assuming this happened, 4 to 6 weeks ago if we’re being generous.
You’re also not taking into account current interest rate/home prices. If this person has held their home for a long time, then even if they got a higher interest from the 90’s or 2000’s The home was so cheap back then that their bill is probably pretty reasonable. If they’ve had it for a couple of years, then they got incredible interest rates And to give that up for a higher interest rate upwards of 7-8% would be asinine. Not to mention it would be very hard to finance when you admit you were laid off and don’t have a job. The most likely outcome is an equal or even higher mortgage payment unless they truly uproot their lives. Again, all over a recent layoff.
The narrow lane of parameters for this story to be true makes it possible but highly unlikely. And the flag thing…come the fuck on.
Plenty of people are having their lives ruined. Some random person on the Internet telling this story is what we’re going to point to?
If you have a reason to believe you might be living off your savings for the next two years, you will want to maximize your savings. If you have paid enough of your house to buy the smaller and more remote one with cash, then that’s what you should do.
They do if they have no savings and the payments are more than any income they are getting. It’s better to quickly sell before the fees start for non payment. There are also options to put your home on forbearance while it’s on the market so the homeowner could have done that immediately to prevent the house being repossessed.
sad stuff… people voting against their interests
They vote as they dobecause they’re so impressionable. It’s also why there’s a huge overlap of religious nutjobs and Republicans.
They vote as they do because they’re so impressionable.
Yup.
But I have zero sympathy for them because this isn’t the olden days where someone had to travel to a library or enroll in a university and move away from home to gain access to knowledge. It’s all there at their fingertips. They just have to be responsible enough to plug in to reasonable sources. And they aren’t. They allow hate and fear to guide their decisions.
It’s 2025. There’s zero excuses to be ignorant now. So they can suffer and I’ll feel nothing for them.
Please remember it is important to not gloat or “I told you so”. This person, for a reason of which does not matter, has decided to exit the cult. This person needs support and praise for their bravery. I don’t care if it is for a selfish reason… ultimately they made it out, their mind is free! That is cause for celebration.
Dudes a sucker. He’ll get roped back in right away.
Is there any evidence they decided to exit the cult? People will paint the walls beige when selling a house, and that doesn’t mean they don’t still like whatever red and green Christmas themed house they had to start with. Pulling down a flag while selling the house you can’t afford doesn’t actually mean you wouldn’t still vote for him.
Heres the problem. We kept the gloating and “I told you so” to a minimum after Trump round 1 and the Civil war.
Hammer it home. They need to know Every. Fucking. Minute. Of every. Fucking. Day. That the choices they made got them fired, took their job, and ruined their country. Almost everyone knew it was going to happen and warned them, and they just dug deeper with their knee-jerk “nuh-uh” fake news 3rd grade playground bully logic. They need to know beyond a doubt that they are stupid, short-sighted, easily manipulated bigots. Why? Because the only way they can change it and do better is if they fucking know it, believe it, and see that they need to change it.
I think the “I treat people like shit and expect them to change their view because of it” is harmful.
This is not how you change a mind. This is how to get sombody to double down on their bullshit who where ready to change their views.
It depends.
When the group hurts you through its own incompetence, you can land in hard times and still believe the ideals of that group. The ability for people to rationalize things is incredibly powerful.
Now let’s say that the trump supporter is ready to no longer support trump now that they’ve been personally victimized. Where they end up can be a massive spectrum. Cult followers tend to idolize and forge parasocial relationships with their cult leader.
You might think that you are seeing them reject trumpism and all it stands for, when in reality it’s much closer to someone feeling betrayed by someone they believed they had a close personal relationship with. Their rejection of the cult has nothing to do with what the cult believes, but comes from a reaction to a feeling of betrayal by the beloved cult figure.
In that case the fertile ground to win hearts and minds isn’t there. There are excellent case studies of this “embrace to change minds” strategy working.Daryl Davis converting 200 Ku klux klanmen is an inspiring story, and one that many point to to support the idea of embracing people instead of punishing them.
The problem is that this isn’t the same situation. Daryl Davis was willing to spend years talking with, and building relationships with people that actively hated him. He didn’t go to people who had a tiff with their local klan leader and tell them “it’s ok buddy, let’s be friends now, I forgive you.” Instead he put in a tremendous amount of effort to build relationships which made it impossible for these guys to continue to hold on to their bigoted beliefs
So what’s the danger in not treating these people like shit? Even if it were ineffective, isn’t it better to just be nice to them anyways? We have a contemporary example to draw from, reconstruction.
After the us civil war there was a difference of opinion much the same as the one we argue today. And we tried the gentler approach
As it became clear that the war would end in a Union victory, Congress debated the process for the readmission of the seceded states. Radicaland moderate Republicans disagreed over the nature of secession, the conditions for readmission, and the desirability of social reforms as a consequence of the Confederate defeat. Lincoln favored the “ten percent plan” and vetoed the radical Wade–Davis Bill, which proposed strict conditions for readmission.
Lincoln was assassinated on April 14, 1865, just as fighting was drawing to a close. He was replaced by President Andrew Johnson. Johnson vetoed numerous Radical Republican bills, he pardoned thousands of Confederate leaders, and he allowed Southern states to pass draconian Black Codesthat restricted the rights of freedmen. His actions outraged many Northerners and stoked fears that the Southern elite would regain its political power. Radical Republican candidates swept to power in the 1866 midterm elections, gaining large majorities in both houses of Congress.
Many argue that the confederacy and its ideals never truly died. The light touch, left many holding regressive ideals in places of power. They had not given up their ideals, they just couldn’t be a part of the group anymore.
In most cases the argument is somewhat moot. The most likely scenario is that my relationship (and most peoples relationship) with some random trump supporter that gets kicked in the nuts by trump will be the same as before, no relationship at all. In the rare situation that this person is someone you do plan to forge a relationship with (either net new or reestablishing some previous relationship) I think it is neither wise to “treat them like shit” nor “let them off the hook”
Instead it should be a careful assessment of what they actually believe. Do they still blame immigrants and trans people for everything that’s wrong in their life but just don’t like that trump fired then, then they can kindly go fuck themselves. They haven’t learned any lesson, they just don’t like that they had something bad happen to them. Sure give them a chance, don’t immediately piss all over them, but if the only problem they have is that it finally directly impacted them, they are no ally.
If it’s a catalyst for true and lasting change, sure nurture that.
Right, because telling people “they’re special and nice and it’s not their fault that the orange dictator is ruining the country” has historically never ever worked once.
You can point out the issue without being a dick to them.
Nobody has ever left the alt-right cult by being insulted and belittled, in fact that’s how they usually get recruited in the cult.
You know? Honestly, telling them they lost their job, house and country because they joined a political cult led by a spray-tanned \wish.com hitler wannabe, isn’t really the “being an asshole” thing that you think it is, and more along the lines of just telling them to truth to their faces.
Idk seems like that decision was made FOR him and not by him
A not-insignificant portion of Trump’s base will be in this boat, if they aren’t already. We should be ready with messaging to pull them out of the cult, so that they don’t fall back in.
No, MAGAts revel in the misery they cause … thay love “owning the libs” and literally want nothing else in life. Nothing. They are fueled by an insane level of hatred and cruelty. It is all they understand. When you point and laugh at them for the “face eating” … they actually get it. MAGAts do not leave their cult, they just get displaced until the next cult that let’s them be hateful racists comes around.
But we can try
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I get the hate, but I just can’t bring myself to be happy about someone losing their home.
I’m simply happy that they’re seeing what they wanted for other people. They voted for the man who openly said he would make life harder and kick people out of their homes, and they gleefully enjoyed it thinking it was only people they disliked.
I’m all for people learning lessons the hard way when they refused to see reason. Especially when the reason was to be kind and empathetic in the first place.
Oh I sure as fuck can.
Then you do you boo boo
If this were a normal, fairly subjective disagreement, I’d feel the same way.
If this were a medium level disagreement and they were objectively wrong, I’d also feel the same way.
Supporting Trump is stunningly, objectively wrong, and in doing so they’re basically doing the opposite of this. They’re supporting lots of people losing a lot more than their homes.
I fully support being happy about it.
The sad part about it is that they’re probably blaming the democrats or the illegal immigrants or Zelensky or some other ridiculous bullshit, instead of facing reality…
In every rational situation, I would fully agree. But this man elected someone who told them, to their face, that they would be downsizing the government. The WORKED for the government. I want to call it stupidity, but it was maliciousness that backfired, so yeah. Fuck em.
This person was happy to screw other people over and voted for it. The fact that they’re reaping the results of the hate they sewed makes me happy and I don’t feel the least bit bad about it.
He’s not losing his home, it’s the bank’s home, being passed along to a new owner. He literally voted for what’s happening right now, you reap what you sow.
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I think the only reason people ever say things like this make them ‘happy’ is in the absence of a more accurate label.
Schadenfreude? Commonly translated to English as “joy at seeing other’s misfortune.” I hope in most cases it is more associated with seeing someone in the wrong receiving their comeuppance. The joy of watching your enemy suffer a setback or even defeat.
I get that we want to gloat. Because we were right. But what happens with this person? Does he see how wrong he was? Does he attempt to change his ways, and influence others who thought the same? Does this bring about any kind of positive change? Or does he just go live in his pickup truck with a camper shell and blame Obama and Biden because he’s poor now?
Think you’re in the wrong community man. We’re here to revel in the schadenfreude no holds barred.
