Not everyone thinks this, but I know an extreme right-winger who thinks this. He is also a conspiracy theorist who thinks non-white people are out to get white people so, yeah, odd.

Not every immigrant is illegal or bad. I know a girl who didn’t speak English for 3 years when her family legally immigrated, so of course she’s been told this.

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    So people are programmed to be biased towards their own self interest, it’s not as malicious as it sounds, it’s unfortunately human nature.

    So naturally they would think that the new world conquest was justified for whatever reason (maybe cause there was no flag?).

    And conversely, naturally they would think of new people coming here as less justified, after all, we live in a modern world with borders now.

    What I’ve learned from politics in the last few years, especially during the pandemic, is to never trust someone’s opinion when there is conflict of interest.

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      We’re also heavily biased towards our own group. Humans are so tribal it’s kinda wild if you think on it.

      Get a bunch of Ford and Chevy people in the same room, see what happens. And we divide ourselves along 100,000 other lines.

      Lemmings look down on redditors.

      “But I’m on the right side! The others clearly are not!”

      In college there were 3 restaurants owned by the same guy, all very popular and everyone wanted a job at one. When we would all get together for Christmas or other event, we would self segregate and snob the other employees. Our restaurant was the cool one.

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    “Shouldn’t that logic apply to…”

    One must remember that people aren’t logical. They’re hypocritical and willfully ignorant.

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    The White House made it so that all inmigrants are criminals by default because they entered the country illegally. Turning innocent until proven guilty on its head. Now everyone is guilty by association.

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    Whats worse is that the current administration has stated that native Americans are not US citizens and indigenous communities are being hassled hard by ICE right now. I don’t know what their plan for native people eventually is but it won’t be good and it won’t be to just leave them out of this.

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        So are the vast majority of most Mexicans. Mexico is mostly a Native American country that has been a bit acculturated to Spanish culture. Their genes are mostly native, their food is mostly native, their name is native, and they even have a native Virgin Mary called the Virgin of Guadalupe that wears Mexican-style clothes. South Park did a bit on this where the women of South Park were getting “wise” advice from Native Americans, so it was highly regarded and sought out. Towards the end of the episode, the women of South Park found out that the advice was coming fro two Mexicans, so they got upset and disregarded it as crap.

        Fun fact: What is now the Southwestern US used to be part of Mexico which is why a lot of places there have Spanish names. It became US territory at the end of the Mexican-American War via the Treaty of Guadalupe.

        Fun fact 2: BBQ is Native American. The word comes from the Taino word barabicu.

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    You assume logic is behind their reasoning, that’s where you went wrong

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    It’s origins (and current day continuation) are in white nativism which of course intersects with the white supremacist and American exceptionalism sentiments that has been around since the origins of the US

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    Yeah we better start coming up with some paperwork that our great great grandparents were legal. At this point I’d be pretty happy to be deported to Germany.

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      Oh if you aren’t brown you’re ok. White places like Germany are the immigrants that are ok. Haven’t you heard “If it’s brown flush it down. If it’s yellow let it mellow.”? A lot of people think that refers to bathroom business but really it’s gop immigration policy.

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    I think it’s as simple as this: people need an enemy, some person or group they feel is against them. Conservatives get off on having a victim complex, and will straight up make shit up against their opposition just to make themselves look like a helpless little child. “Oh no, what am I gonna do? Me or my granddaughter needs a job and I heard in the news they’re all being taken up by immigrants” meanwhile, the same person is being fed this information from the comfort of their couch.

    “The immigrants are taking our jobs” is a sentiment that I have seen at least in my part of the country go down in the last several years and im in a very conservative area. Simple fact is immigrant workers work cheaper and faster than others and they often do better work, people are realizing that.

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    Yeah these guys are radicalized extremists.

    You can’t tell if someone is “legally” in the U.S. by looking at them. You can’t tell if someone was born here by looking at them. You would think racism would be separate from the immigration panic because there is no way to tie looks to immigration status, but instead the logic is thrown out the window.

    My friend told me once “when a guys life goes to shit he looks for someone to blame.”. These particular guys have blamed some nebulous idea of “illegal immigrants” instead of women, or communists or whatever.

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    That’s just bad logic saying that all Americans all are immigrants. It implies that land is bound by blood and every modern immigrant everwhere would never be integrated into society, since they weren’t the original people there. Every society that has migrated would also receive this immigrant label, like the Hungarians and Bulgarians. There comes a point where the people who conquer lands become the people living there and not just immigrants.

    These kinds of bad gotchas aren’t proving anything unless you seriously think they are only going for immigrants. They are racists. They use the term immigrant to refer to non-white people.