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"Fascist raids by law enforcement should be met with:
I don’t know.
I can’t help.
I do not know anybody’s legal status.
I have no idea who is an immigrant.
White folks are used to being polite and accommodating to cops.
Do not fall into your old ways.
For once, your silence will not be violence. STFU if the cops come looking for your neighbours. No matter how friendly.
Fascism only works if we go along with it. Fascism only works if we surrender to it.
Resist.
Do not say a word about your neighbours. As far as the cops are concerned you’re a recluse who doesn’t talk to anybody where you live."
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The only proper response to a door knock is “come back with a warrant”.
Rights are rights for a reason, don’t let that shit erode any further.
That is fine while you have the rule of law and independent institutions to enforce those rights. When those institutions are eroded or facing the barrel of a gun then people’s rights might as well he written on toilet paper.
You can’t make up for a dysfunctional political system with demands for fictional rights.
People from one particular notable country always get the emphasis wrong in my opinion. Perhaps they are all brainwashed. They think the rights uphold their system when in truth it is the system that upholds the rights. It has kept them blind to the reforms needed to breathe life into a system that barely qualifies as a democracy by modern standards.
They think the rights uphold their system when in truth it is the system that upholds the rights.
Totally stealing this.
The only proper response to a door knock is to not open the door.
If the fascist pigs have a warrant, they’ll find their own way inside anyway. Otherwise, they can stay the fuck out.
Sorry to disappoint, but
they’ll find their own way inside anyway.
Warrant or not.
Still, there’s no point in making it easy for them. The sooner you accept that your rights won’t be protected, the sooner they’ll disappear entirely. You must act as if your rights are natural laws of the universe, and if enough people do then they may as well be.
You must act as if your rights are natural laws of the universe, and if enough people do then they may as well be.
That’s how we get to where we are now.
Rights dictated to you by the state are categorically not universal nor natural, they exist in service of the state and the capitalists who own it, and they can and are withdrawing them as they please.
The entire point of the post is that people who have more privilege need to stand the fuck up for those who have less, not try and find ways out of doing so.
Edit to clarify: giving the cops the pleasure of kicking down your door and arresting, or even shooting you for “resisting” isn’t making their job harder, only yours.
Start playing “come out ye black and tans”
That’s a song about people standing up for their rights and for those of others, doesn’t really apply to the US, let’s be honest
Most will be sitting on their pile of guns, quivering with fear
The ramblings of deranged cowards?
How much time have you spent in Northern Ireland?
The hell does that blog have to do with Norn Irn?
It’s a modern society
You referenced come out ye black and tans, and are currently shitting on the idea of an armed populace, I linked a resource for armed socialists and you shit on that too. I asked about if you’ve ever spent any time in Northern Ireland, and you dodge the question.
What this tells me is you have no understanding of what you’re talking about. Feign solidarity with a historically oppressed people. Finally you’re using other’s struggles to stir shit on a public forum with little regard or understanding of what you’re saying.
I would invite you to head up to Derry. Pop in a pub, start up a rousing chorus of Come Out Ye Black an Tans and stir the same shit. Lettem know how great a violent struggle is, ask em to tell the tales of their troubles. See what community outreach you find there after that.
I’d also like to take this moment to remind how to handle a police interaction in the USA, in a one minute video described by a few lawyers: STFU Friday!
I always forget that not everybody had a Buddhist hippie uncle and aunt doing lessons with them on the weekend.
My cousins and I will randomly say, “What is (Uncle’s) number one rule?”
And everyone present will chant a phrase thst would dox me, that boils down to “don’t help the police!”
We can all play a part. Mutual aid means using whatever you bring to the table. If you can, think of it like a video game or a tabletop game. I look like I do and made a lifelong practice of learning how to talk to people. Now I have a high diplomacy check (and sense motive.) My boyfriend spent most of his life in the military, and his capacity for violence makes him the barbarian. Together, we are prepared to help in many, many more ways than either of us could ever do alone.
And the bigger your circle, the more situations you’re prepared for! If you haven’t yet, take an honest assessment of your skills. Figure out how you can most help others. You don’t have to be an S rank talker or violencer, you can be bad at the skill you pick! The important thing is to pick the skill, *then work on it. *
Even if you don’t have a circle, if you’re all alone, you can be preparing yourself to help others who need it. You are valued. You are loved, even if you don’t know it, even if it’s easy to feel like you’re not. And when you eventually find your tribe, or when your tribe is being attacked, having skills to help others and yourself is the best thing you can do.
As far as the cops are concerned you’re a recluse who doesn’t talk to anybody where you live.
Oh shit, did they get my internet search history ? how do they know so much about me.
For once, your silence will not be violence.
Make no mistake your silence WILL be met with violence.
Make no mistake your silence WILL be met with violence.
And if they are asking you you can bet your ass you are under suspicion of dissent.
There is no safety under a totalitarian government. And guess what? Party members are at risk too! It’s a brilliant system.
Not toeing the line? Purged. Toeing the line too much to make a superior look worse? Purged. Wrong joke to the wrong person? Purged. Using a slightly outdated line of propaganda? Definitely purged. Keeping your trap shut and shaking your head? Believe it or not, purged, because you didn’t help them.
It’s super fucked, and I’m anything but sorry for people who payed so little attention to every goddamn history class ever to not know this.
Nazi Germany saw 21,900,000 people killed by policy, and that number doesn’t include civilian collateral damage from the war.
MAGA is a death cult. Plain and simple.
Then take one for the team.
The violence that would be given to a lawful, rights bearing, legitimate citizen with full rights and privileges will pale in comparison to the violence that will be done to someone who doesn’t have all those privileges.
If something is done to a lawful citizen, then they can have some kind of recourse to do something about it. Someone who doesn’t have the same rights will have little or no choice to do anything about the violence done to them.
Once you give in to any kind of violence … the violence only becomes worse for everyone.
Then take one for the team.
Very easy to go on an internet message board and beat your chest and say you won’t break.
Very difficult to take an actual beating.
Once you give in to any kind of violence … the violence only becomes worse for everyone.
“I won’t break under torture” is a sentiment held briefly by untold numbers of torture victims.
I’m Indigenous Canadian and I’ve had my share of dealing with law enforcement for minor stuff. I never did anything wrong, I just had to stand my ground and even when I did, I still faced difficulty and it took allies around me to make it easier. The point is, it’s easier to fight and challenge now when the violence and provocation is minimal.
You are right, I would probably be a wuss as much as anyone else under torture … which is why I would rather fight and challenge now, rather than wait until things get much worse and I have to break under more extreme conditions.
It’s like part of me wants to follow MLK’s way of doing things but then 5 minutes later it’s “welp. Guess we’re doing it Malcom X’s way instead.” Then I have to sit there and remind myself that violence only begets violence and sooner or later history will look back and say “nobody remembers why the fighting started, just that it did and that it’s been going ever since.”
I’m currently watching DS9 and Enterprise is next on my list … Star Trek definitely gives one a perspective of humanity that is much needed.
TFW you realize you’re in the Mirror Universe.
TFW you realize that even if we’re in the Prime Universe, we’re living through the Bell Riots and WWII is right around the corner.
I wasn’t suggesting you capitulate.
You think you have rights until there’s a gun in your face, that’s the whole point, you get it worse if you don’t capitulate because standing up to them is the biggest most unforgivable crime there is.
Eh, I’ve had guns in my face before.
I’d rather do what’s right than lick boots because of some twerps with guns.
I legitimately don’t know the legal status of many of my friends. I know some of them are going through the immigration process, but have no idea of their current status.
At the end of the day, I’m not lying to an officer when I say I don’t know. I’m not an immigration official. I don’t ask to see my friends’ green cards when we hang out.
I would rather live with being in jail on bullshit charges than thinking I might have helped ruin the lives of people I care about. But I also recognize that I’m in a privileged position to do that. I already own my house, I have skills and knowledge in a trade, and can easily start a small business to support myself and my family if no one will hire me.
Do what you think is right for you. But if you rat out people you care about just because some dipshit waved a gun in your face, you’re a coward.
They aren’t gonna beat up white people about this. not yet. It could be coming but it won’t happen yet.
Hard disagree.
Tell them you know where to find lots of heavily armed illegals up to no good, and give them the names and addresses of any Maga friends and family members you know.
Maybe lie that their last names are Sanchez or Ramirez. Waste their time and energy.
“I don’t know, but people are telling me they’re named Sanchez” but don’t do the Trump voice.
Richard Sanchez. Saw him with a minor, doing dodgy stuff. Maybe stealing, or attempting to steal something. Heavily drunk.
Chaos A.D.
Disorder unleashed
Silence means death
Stand on your feet
Inner fear
Your worst enemyso… in the age of digital surveillance, no one needs to ask other humans about each other. most humans willingly or unknowingly give all their data, like location, identity and more
you could point everybody in the direction of privacy, which might actually help disenfranchised peoples (if you ignore facial and gait recognition, voice and emotional analysis tracking throughout most cities…)
not legal advice, and not advocating anyone doing anything illegal of course
It’s a bit too late for that, the digital information is already out there, and trying to hide any of it now wouldn’t be much use against physical door to door/workplace/school/church raids anyway.
well for other “law abiding” peoples, we should train them. since there were rules against eating specific icecreams on certain days in the US and the nazi party in germany retroactively enforced new laws, so things can change quickly
Train them to what? Retroactively scrub their presence off the internet? Off of the government records? Impossible.
Really not sure what point you’re trying to make with Nazis and ice cream, but either way, laws don’t exist to protect citizens, and going forward, they are being written to actively harm them.
Expecting the law to protect you is a huge privilige.
Well said. There needs to be some kind of democrat’s handbook on how to handle a facist state.
They aren’t here to help either. Just another flavor of wolf in sheep’s clothes to support the super wealthy that run the country. Though this one seems a little less capable of malice. I still can’t tell if that’s a sliver of morality hanging on the through a beating of self ineptitude.
You’ve jumped to a conclusion. There’s a reason I wrote democrat with a small d.
Can you point me in the right direction? I tried doing an internet search t understand the difference, but I’m missing the core concept you’re alluding to here.
In my understanding they mean “democrats” as people who support democracy vs “Democrats” members of the democratic party, but if you ask me, they are one and the same, it’s just another way to say “liberal”.
That makes way more sense now, thank you.
The other commenter is correct, I meant democrat as in ‘supporter of democracy in whichever of its incarnations’ as opposed to Democrat as in ‘supporter of the US Democratic party’. Sorry if my comment came across as a bit hostile
It’s all good. The lucky 10,000
You say that as if you think the Democratic Party is something other than White Moderate (in the MLK sense) Collaborators. They will certainly not be the ones to write such a handbook.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15–style_rifle
The finest multi-purpose rifle ever designed by man.
Anyway, what were we talking about?
That’s weird, your link doesn’t go to the M1 Garand. You must have had a copy paste error.
(I jest, the AR-15 is really a very flexible and efficient multi purpose platform)
That’s weird, you said the M1 Garand but surely you mistyped “Mosin Nagant.”
Please explain the axial scar on your thumb
It’s perfectly normal, it happens to all guys sometimes.
Why the need to single out white people? The blame goes around to many groups.
With regards to talking to the police follow the advice given in this video named Do Not Talk to the Police.
Ah, yes, “not all white people!!12*”
But somehow also “not only white people!!11” (my morbid curiosity kinda wants to know who the fuck else you think christo-fascist white supremacy* is serving, benefitting and protecting, but my sanity demands I don’t engage with you any further).
Which amasses to “I’m too busy centring myself* and my whiteness*, and finding a way to claim some victimhood in this situation, to hear what those who are actually under attack are saying”
Check your fucking privilege*.
That is if you’re even willing to examine your white fragility
*If anyone needs image descriptions, please ask
Non-whites have never been police, never talked to police, never voted for the Evil Party and shouldn’t be included at all in advice to not be evil, misguided or duped.
Your statement seems to be inaccurate. 16% of black voters and 43% of latino voters in the U.S. voted for Trump. If we go by your logic, which seems to be that “People who didn’t vote Republican don’t need to hear this advice.”, then this post applies to all ethnic groups in the country, especially if the Trump administration does go looking for every unregistered immigrant in the U.S., and they do this by knocking on people’s doors out in the street instead of using the advanced surveillance tools that they and the big-tech possess.
If you need a /s at the end of that comment to get the sarcasm you are really really bad at reading context cues.
I think I am, yeah. Edited the original reply now to turn it into a sidenote :D
Hahah fair enough
I watched this video 12 years ago, and again just about every year since.
It’s basically the most important video for anyone (especially Americans) to watch and understand.
I actually support some limited deportations, not at all what is being set into motion. But in regards to this post, you should never talk to, or assist the police. There is always a good chance they’re looking at you to trump up charges even if you’re completely innocent.
“I don’t consent to searches. I don’t answer questions.”
Fuck your borders
Fuck your lack of standards. If you come here as a refugee, great. If you then rape someone or murder someone we shouldn’t pay for your imprisonment. We should kick you back to the place you were fleeing and let them figure out what to do with you.
Strawmanning belongs elsewhere this is an anarchist space.
You’re hiding enemies of the state, are you not?
I grew up in a small town on the border when the border patrol would ask us if we had seen any aliens we would always just look up and say I think I saw one flying around up there
This is the way.
To quote one of my favorite shows (Mr Inbetween): “I don’t answer questions.” - Ray Shoesmith.
One of the best series ever. Surprising how few people actually know it.
I didn’t know about until I discovered Australia’s small yet impressive film industry after watching The Magician and the rabbit hole just got deeper from there. Scott Ryan is a pretty talented actor/director.
The problems is that there are many people who, even when they themselves are generally powerless and under somebody’s boot, positively relish the opportunity to feel superior to somebody else by helping press the boot on them.
Sadly, some of the oppressed are only meek or nice out of fear because of where they are in their power structure they’e in and when they get or are given the power to do so without consequences, turn into evil oppressors.
Right. This is a call for people who haven’t already made that choice, to make it. Now.
Since generally there are at least a few assholes around who will totally enjoy the “power” of fucking somebody else’s life and often the assholes don’t even behave like assholes in every day life (because they usually don’t have the power to be assholes with impunity) so one might not even be aware of their low moral characters, merelly a “if you this to not get involved you won’t be helping the Fascists” line of advice is not enough.
There has to be something beyond that, at the very least so that wannabe assholes fear being spotted and suffering reprisals if they do act like assholes, which if you want to make it as above the Law as possible (rather than merelly “I know which car you drive and it would be a shame if it got damaged overnight”) does require some form of involving the community to create a perception that those who rat will get into trouble with the rest.
The problem is not simply solved or even significantly so with a mere “don’t tell the pigs anything” (i.e. “Do No Evil”), even though those who act thus do gain the moral high ground by acting like that.
I’m sorry that I myself am not really offering a concrete solution, and my contribution is just pointing out that a Passive-Aggressive approach won’t really do much more than slightly delay the Fascists and their dogs.
The problem is not simply solved or even significantly so with a mere “don’t tell the pigs anything”
Nowhere is this being touted as a solution to the entire problem, this is advice on how to act in a specific situation, and again, a call on people to make that choice on where they stand, now, because now is the time, not once they’re knocking on your door, then it’s too late to start considering how to act (and if someone has already decided to, or hasn’t but defaults to being a collaborator, they get lumped up with the fascists they enable).
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