OK hear me out.
A prolific bird watcher has been trying to spot a rare bird on a hot summer day. He’s been shading his brow with his hand for hours to avoid the sun.
His spouse approaches to see how he’s doing. Suddenly the bird appears! And the man, in his excitement tries to indicate to his wife to “Look up there in the sky” but his hand is still locked into the brow sunlight defence position! Oh no!
Fuck Elon Musk though. Fucking Nazi.
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Just went to LinkedIn just to see bottom of the barrel bootlickers defending him.
” He’s autistic”, ” that picture is taken out of context”, ” it’s a Roman salute”, ” look at these out of context pictures of other politicians making the gesture”, ” how can he be a Nazi if he supports Israel?”
No he did a full on deliberate Nazi salute at a far right event.
there is no proof in roman writing or painting of this salute, there is no doubt about Musolinis fascist movement using it in 1919 and later the german nazis adopting it
I’m genuinely curious: who the fuck defends Elon and Nazis on LinkedIn? Are we so far divided as a country that it’s ok to associate employment with a penchant for Nazism?
Probably simps who can’t accept that Elon isn’t the real life Tony Stark they thought him to be.
And nazis don’t forget the nazis
Is there any difference at this point?
I’m autistic, I’ve never done this gesture. Everyone’s different, of course, but I’ve never seen anyone at all do this by accident. I’ve seen the defence that it’s a “from my heart to yours” gesture, but if that was true, it would be palm up. Palm up is the giving gesture. Palm down is a saluting gesture.
Yeah, excusing it by saying he’s autistic is ableist by itself. We’re not incapable of understanding dog whistles or concepts, you know?
Especially when people in the same breath call Elon a genius. You can’t have it both ways. Either he’s clueless and shouldn’t be in a position of power, or he’s actually a nazi… and shouldn’t be in a position of power
Just because you’re delusional doesn’t make it true.
You’re spreading lies about Elon. Deceptive manipulating liar.
It’s not bootlicking, it’s just being a decent person
What lies are being spread?
What’s decent about defending a Nazi?
He’s not a nazi. It’s questionable at best. And yet you guys go out of your way to shout that he’s a nazi
Oh he makes big tweet where he agrees with tweet that say da joos are bringing in minorities to destabilize america, is from a literal nazi family, he doesn’t apologize for the literal nazi salute at all.
There are thousands of politicans all around the world that don’t do the gesture at politcal events.
You’re welcome to do the questionable gesture infront of a synagouge, israeli embassy or really any busy public place.
He looks like a Nazi
Talks like a Nazi
Acts like a NaziWhat would convince you?
That he did something that’s actually bad.
Like killing people.
But just reaching his hands in the air once that might be related Nazism
Surely we can find hints that somebody is a Nazi before we find out that they’ve killed people.
But jumping to conclusions is bad right?
There’s definitely interpretation to this gesture he did. This doesn’t make him a nazi. The people aggressively trying to push the users that he’s a nazi are acting more like Nazis than him.
This could be a mistake or a silly blunder or even just him trying to throw his affection out. But people shouting and screaming, calling people names and being derogatory is disturbing
He’s posted in support of far-right extremists in Germany and the UK multiple times, he’s ‘liked’ antisemitic posts on his shitshow of a site, he’s used avatars that are used by the alt and far right. And now he’s done this. A nazi salute. He’s a nazi. Nobody needs to ‘go out of their way’ to call him a nazi when everything he says and does shouts the fact from the fucking rooftops.
He’s not a nazi. You think he’s a member of the nazi party? Show me these terrible tweets your talking about
do the gesture and post it on here if it’s not a nazi gesture
do you have the same outrage for the genocide in Gaza?
ad hominem fallacy
You’re attacking me instead of making an argument.
Do you not have an argument. Manipulative and deceitful.
I guess you think Elon putting his hand in the air is worse than genocide in Gaza?
Women and children dying daily yet a guy putting his hand in the air is worse and causes more hysteria.
You guys are kind of evil.
Go back to sleep troll
Care to elaborate?
He made a heart thrown out gesture and now there’s all this hysteria probably artificial. That states he’s a nazi for one at the very least questionable event. Yet people are treating him like he’s gasing the Jews
Nazism isn’t limited to hating Jews. They were targeting other marginalized groups at the time. This time they’re targeting a different set of groups, most notably transgender people.
The Nazis targeted the trans community the first time around too. Camps, death squads, the whole nine yards…
There was a big chunk of scientific research on the topic that was simply lost because it was literally burned.
I’ve got to say I don’t like that he likes posts that are anti trans. There’s no need for that.
huh, funny google analitics fails to find literally anything on this common “heart thrown out” gesture.
Thanks for proving again he did a nazi salute.
The Roman salute is also known as the fascist salute. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute
It’s the oath of the Horatii and asterix - both well known for being reliable historical sources
I was talking about this with my friend and she was like, “I heard it’s just a Roman Salute.” Be ready to be surprised at how many people will defend this crap.
Show me the difference… Go on…show me.
It really is sad how many things that little fuck nugget has ruined. In this particular instance I mean Hitler.
Swastika? Neat, simple little geometric shape. Independently created by a few different cultures. Ruined.
“Roman salute”? Kinda neat looking, again simple. And again probably independently invented in a few places, but definitely Roman. Ruined
The charlie Chaplin mustache? More widely adopted after WWI as a style that would fit under a gas mask. Ruined
I’m not trying to campaign to rehab any of these things or apologize for musk. Just kinda sad how all this cool shit got tainted.
So I think this is a fascinating odd corner of history.
The “Roman” salute is definitely not Roman, and it’s not of fascist invention either. It’s an urban legend among the classical studies people: a made-up non-fact that circulated around the fringes of classical scholarship for a couple hundred years.
“I hear it’s actually just a toothbrush moustache”
“It’s actually just like summer camp, just less… voluntary.”
everybody calls it a fascist salute, except for fascists who call it a roman salute
That’s what I told her. I let her know that anyone trying to correct her with that is trying to play games.
What Elon did was a nazi salute, and Elon is a nazi.
Back in the early days of Trump 1.0, I was accused of accidentally making a nazi salute. I raised a pint glass in cheers with no open palm (a drinking glass was in my hand). This wasn’t a nazi salute, but people were so keyed up to overreact and attack their friends and coworkers that it didn’t matter.
People are not taking Elon’s salute seriously because our society has lost its ability to take such accusations seriously. People remember the overreaction and baseless accusations being flung between people who should have had solidarity in Trump 1.0, and that undermines trust in similar claims today. This jadedness gives cover for the actual mask-off nazism in Trump 2.0.
People are so used to finding out that an accused nazi salute from the clickbait article was just someone trying to say cheers or making an awkward hand gesture that it takes extra evidence now to convince them that the AfD-supporting billionaire that just bought an election actually did a full nazi salute starting from the chest with no other justification (and then repeated it).
Did you explain your position following such accusations or did you do what he’s doing which is attacking everyone?
I wasn’t given an opportunity, and I ended up leaving the job in question due to hostility and violence.
im sorry that happened to you. that mist have been awful and i believe you.
Thank you.
That was far from the worst thing that happened to me at that job. When I think of that job and why I left it, this incident barely registers.
The reason I’m talking about it now is that the experience has biased me. When I first read that Elon gave a nazi salute, my first reaction was doubt due to this bias. Watching the clip cleared my doubt.
Okay so first technically that’s not true. It’s possible.
But Elon 100% did that shit on purpose.
With no intention to defend Elon Musk… Jude Bellingham doing a Nazi salute by mistake and Toni Kroos lowering his arm.
In any case to me Elon’s gesture looks very much intentional(either because he wanted to stir the pot or he actually means it), and even if there is doubt, he is not the kind of man that deserves benefit of the doubt.
And more to the point, no one stumbles into an extreme-right event, gives a hyper reactionary speech, and does two nazi salutes by mistake.
The media that’s helping Musk gaslight everyone should be ashamed of themselves.
Well, you can say that, but of course people do. It’s not like it’s a completely bizarre movement of the arm. It happens now and then and people are demonized because of it. I really don’t mean to defend Elon Musk, because I really wouldn’t mind him being guillotined, but to claim that everyone that’s been accused of doing a nazi salute, has intentionally done a nazi salute, is rather bizarre. We really don’t need this, in order to hate on Musk, he’s got all the hateability checks. There are plenty reasons that are far beyond any debate that would make him one of the most hated people on earth, and he deserves all of that. But the ‘see, it’s a nazi, here’s the proof <shows salute clip>’ won’t convince anyone that’s not already on board on hating him. The argument that it’s immoral to have over 400 billion, and that if he was a reasonable person he would give some shares to his employees, or lower prices, or distribute his money in power in whatever way possible because only a power hungry narcisistic maniac would hoard all this power, or whatever, is, I think, far more convincing than focussing on this awkward hand gesture.
Have yall thought that it’s maybe possible he did it not because he’s a Nazi, but to troll people and spark outrage?
He’d still be a piece of shit for throwing a Nazi salute during the inauguration of a US president.
There’s zero excuse for him to do this, stop defending fascists.
Sure. But is it the same level of bad if the was trolling vs if he was actually a Nazi. I would argue both are bad, but one is def worse. I wholeheartedly believe that you are completely wacko if you think both are equal.
Dont look at any evidence pointing at the fact he is a nazi, like how he just backed a party that wants to have constitution changed so secret police can do raids without any legal requirement. Sure seems trolly to me to back a party like that. A man with numerous nazi sympathies. Very trolly. would also be incredebly troll if there was more evidence pointing at the fact he harbours nazi sympathies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDyPSKLy5E4&t=706s Oh no look an entire video showing he really hates nazis and was just trolling. Done a year ago.
Why are you dodging? We are not arguing if he is trolling or not anymore. I have completely shifted the argument towards determining if trolling with a nazi salute (if he was hypothetically trolling) was equally as bad as him being a Nazi.
Please go back and read my comments above.
Open your eyes and look at the backlash and take two seconds to take it in. The answer is all around you. No its not as bad as being a literal nazi and its forgivable if some dumb ass kids do it to be edgelords. can’t stop it, dumb kids do tons of stupid things since they are literally by the pure defintion of the word mentally underdeveloped to the point of being deficet, stupid and not of sound body or mind compared to adults. Which is why kids dont get to drink, drive, vote, take real responsibility for their actions, work full time or own guns.
It is very bad when a big public figure and a politican does it at an inauguration. And then doesn’t apolagize. Especially if he has made tweets like responding “actual truth” to posts that say “da joos are importing all the immigrants that ruin america”(paraphrased but an actual, real thing that happened)
Thank you. That’s all I was arguing. Was that so hard?
Glad we agree musk is a nazi piece of shit and everyone defending him is stupid.
He probably did it to troll people and spark outrage but that does not mean that he isn’t also a Nazi / fascist.
I also think he did it for lolz and outrage, but I kinda doubt he’s really a Nazi. idk
why not both?
Could be both, yes.
That would be just as concerning. Next he might build death camps to troll the libs with that bad taste of humor
Trolling with a Nazi salute would be “just as concerning” as him actually being a nazi? Do you even know what you just said?
Yes, someone who murders for the fun of it scares me even more than just a plain murderer.
Do you know that you just defended someone doing the fascist salute?
Huh? So you are essentially saying that someone doing a Nazi salute as a troll is JUST AS BAD as actually being a Nazi and doing Nazi things? You can’t be for real.
Note: I’m not saying that he is def just trolling, but it seems like it to me personally. I’m not here to defend Nazis or anything like that. I’m simply trying to figure out if you really genuinely believe that a Nazi salute as a troll (hypothetically) is just as bad as actually being a Nazi. To me personally one if def worse than the other.
He should take a big fat shit on the american flag, set it on fire. Would also be pretty based and trollpilled. Maybe next he should say “lmao get rekt” to all school shooting victims. That would also be really trolly pro gamer move I want a public figure who is also now in politics to make. Very based.
Are you implying that I’m saying what he did is based? If so - you are very wrong. I’m just trying to say that while 2 things can be BAD - one can still be worse. Is that so hard to comprehend?
Who cares if he did it to troll or is actually a Nazi? Either way he’s a rich person with immense power signalling that he might be, and that’s just as bad. Emboldening Nazis as a troll gives them cover to “joke” about it as well.
Also, he was in Germany recently defending Nazis, so he’s definitely a Nazi.
That’s reasonable. I still have my doubts about him being a Nazi tho.
If you’re seriously not convinced and willing to have your mind changed, watch the Some More News video, Elon’s Hitler Problem. Either musk is a Nazi, or he’s just signalling suuuuuuuuuuper hard over a long period of time that he might be a Nazi.
At some point, you stop eating a may and that’s just your face
Maybe you are right. I just find it hard to believe.
What does this mean? “At some point, you stop eating a may and that’s just your face”
How fucking scary is it that the richest person in the world is a fucking nazi piece of shit and now one of our supreme leaders? If you ask the people around me, “meh.”
Honestly none of them strike me as true adherents. They just go whichever direction looks like it will give them more power or money. If there is a next administration or some BLM like cause comes back in vogue you’ll see them out there preaching to that choir as if they had always supported that cause.
I’m an outsider looking in, but isn’t that still a problem? The unchecked capitalism which has now created an oligarchy in the US with the media and government being controlled by the richest of the rich? They’re so sure no one can do anything about it any more that they manipulate overtly and don’t even try to hide what they’re doing.
Seeing what’s happening in the US is very worrying.
you are absolutely correct. I’m terrified for my family’s future.
While I agree most of them do whatever they believe will result in more money and power, BLM was a leftist cause so the only time they would support it (or anything inherently leftist) is if their propaganda magically started to fail and their base rejected them over their stance.
That’s because he’s the type of moron that shoots himself cleaning his own gun.
Are you referring to the loser neo-Nazi Oath Fucking Keeper? That is how the dipshit lost his eyeball.
Completely agree. High five!!! Oh shit. Shit shit shit I forgot How tall I am.
Just a joke. Not defending just a joke. That little weasel doesn’t even have the balls to be an actual Nazi. Nazis are bad but He’s pretending to be a Nazi and denying it. That’s… Somehow… Worse. “Say what you want about the tenets of Nazis, atleast it’s an ethos”
The Nazis had great fashion sense as well. I mean, they murdered millions and all, but looked fantastic doing it.
This new crop has the fashion sense of a neckbeard living in a college dorm.
If you’re going to trample the rights of my loved ones and myself, at least have the decency to wear some spiffy shiny leather boots and accessorize with some skull jewelry.
Framing being a Nazi as having a defining rubric of out and proud suggests a false spectrum linking being brave and cowardly seems to a range between Nazi and Not Nazi. It’s more of a boolean function. A Nazi coward hiding in linen cupboard and an audacious Nazi in the streets willing to take a punch are still both just Nazis.
That was alot of fancy words. I have no choice but to agree. I’m not entirely sure if you are on my side or not but I know argument will be pointless
This dude practiced in front of a mirror.
