Well, you can say that, but of course people do. It’s not like it’s a completely bizarre movement of the arm. It happens now and then and people are demonized because of it. I really don’t mean to defend Elon Musk, because I really wouldn’t mind him being guillotined, but to claim that everyone that’s been accused of doing a nazi salute, has intentionally done a nazi salute, is rather bizarre. We really don’t need this, in order to hate on Musk, he’s got all the hateability checks. There are plenty reasons that are far beyond any debate that would make him one of the most hated people on earth, and he deserves all of that. But the ‘see, it’s a nazi, here’s the proof <shows salute clip>’ won’t convince anyone that’s not already on board on hating him. The argument that it’s immoral to have over 400 billion, and that if he was a reasonable person he would give some shares to his employees, or lower prices, or distribute his money in power in whatever way possible because only a power hungry narcisistic maniac would hoard all this power, or whatever, is, I think, far more convincing than focussing on this awkward hand gesture.
Okay so first technically that’s not true. It’s possible.
But Elon 100% did that shit on purpose.
With no intention to defend Elon Musk… Jude Bellingham doing a Nazi salute by mistake and Toni Kroos lowering his arm.
In any case to me Elon’s gesture looks very much intentional(either because he wanted to stir the pot or he actually means it), and even if there is doubt, he is not the kind of man that deserves benefit of the doubt.
What Elon did was a nazi salute, and Elon is a nazi.
Back in the early days of Trump 1.0, I was accused of accidentally making a nazi salute. I raised a pint glass in cheers with no open palm (a drinking glass was in my hand). This wasn’t a nazi salute, but people were so keyed up to overreact and attack their friends and coworkers that it didn’t matter.
People are not taking Elon’s salute seriously because our society has lost its ability to take such accusations seriously. People remember the overreaction and baseless accusations being flung between people who should have had solidarity in Trump 1.0, and that undermines trust in similar claims today. This jadedness gives cover for the actual mask-off nazism in Trump 2.0.
People are so used to finding out that an accused nazi salute from the clickbait article was just someone trying to say cheers or making an awkward hand gesture that it takes extra evidence now to convince them that the AfD-supporting billionaire that just bought an election actually did a full nazi salute starting from the chest with no other justification (and then repeated it).
Did you explain your position following such accusations or did you do what he’s doing which is attacking everyone?
I wasn’t given an opportunity, and I ended up leaving the job in question due to hostility and violence.
im sorry that happened to you. that mist have been awful and i believe you.
What if you’re really drunk and you’re trying to hail a cab but you can’t rustle up enough strength to get your arm outside of the danger zone?
He wasn’t drunk or hailing a cab so I don’t know what you are getting at.
No, they do it so we talk about it instead of the actually dangerous executive orders etc.
And damn is it working exactly as intended because, like my sister when she was 10, we can’t help but take the bait.
Thank you for posting a side by side comparison. Really makes it clear it was a nazi salute.
Is he doing some sort of soccer hand signals?
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Have yall thought that it’s maybe possible he did it not because he’s a Nazi, but to troll people and spark outrage?
why not both?
Could be both, yes.
Who cares if he did it to troll or is actually a Nazi? Either way he’s a rich person with immense power signalling that he might be, and that’s just as bad. Emboldening Nazis as a troll gives them cover to “joke” about it as well.
Also, he was in Germany recently defending Nazis, so he’s definitely a Nazi.
That’s reasonable. I still have my doubts about him being a Nazi tho.
If you’re seriously not convinced and willing to have your mind changed, watch the Some More News video, Elon’s Hitler Problem. Either musk is a Nazi, or he’s just signalling suuuuuuuuuuper hard over a long period of time that he might be a Nazi.
At some point, you stop eating a may and that’s just your face
Maybe you are right. I just find it hard to believe.
What does this mean? “At some point, you stop eating a may and that’s just your face”
He probably did it to troll people and spark outrage but that does not mean that he isn’t also a Nazi / fascist.
I also think he did it for lolz and outrage, but I kinda doubt he’s really a Nazi. idk
He should take a big fat shit on the american flag, set it on fire. Would also be pretty based and trollpilled. Maybe next he should say “lmao get rekt” to all school shooting victims. That would also be really trolly pro gamer move I want a public figure who is also now in politics to make. Very based.
Are you implying that I’m saying what he did is based? If so - you are very wrong. I’m just trying to say that while 2 things can be BAD - one can still be worse. Is that so hard to comprehend?
He’d still be a piece of shit for throwing a Nazi salute during the inauguration of a US president.
There’s zero excuse for him to do this, stop defending fascists.
Sure. But is it the same level of bad if the was trolling vs if he was actually a Nazi. I would argue both are bad, but one is def worse. I wholeheartedly believe that you are completely wacko if you think both are equal.
Dont look at any evidence pointing at the fact he is a nazi, like how he just backed a party that wants to have constitution changed so secret police can do raids without any legal requirement. Sure seems trolly to me to back a party like that. A man with numerous nazi sympathies. Very trolly. would also be incredebly troll if there was more evidence pointing at the fact he harbours nazi sympathies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDyPSKLy5E4&t=706s Oh no look an entire video showing he really hates nazis and was just trolling. Done a year ago.
Why are you dodging? We are not arguing if he is trolling or not anymore. I have completely shifted the argument towards determining if trolling with a nazi salute (if he was hypothetically trolling) was equally as bad as him being a Nazi.
Please go back and read my comments above.
Open your eyes and look at the backlash and take two seconds to take it in. The answer is all around you. No its not as bad as being a literal nazi and its forgivable if some dumb ass kids do it to be edgelords. can’t stop it, dumb kids do tons of stupid things since they are literally by the pure defintion of the word mentally underdeveloped to the point of being deficet, stupid and not of sound body or mind compared to adults. Which is why kids dont get to drink, drive, vote, take real responsibility for their actions, work full time or own guns.
It is very bad when a big public figure and a politican does it at an inauguration. And then doesn’t apolagize. Especially if he has made tweets like responding “actual truth” to posts that say “da joos are importing all the immigrants that ruin america”(paraphrased but an actual, real thing that happened)
Thank you. That’s all I was arguing. Was that so hard?
Glad we agree musk is a nazi piece of shit and everyone defending him is stupid.
That would be just as concerning. Next he might build death camps to troll the libs with that bad taste of humor
Trolling with a Nazi salute would be “just as concerning” as him actually being a nazi? Do you even know what you just said?
Yes, someone who murders for the fun of it scares me even more than just a plain murderer.
Do you know that you just defended someone doing the fascist salute?
Huh? So you are essentially saying that someone doing a Nazi salute as a troll is JUST AS BAD as actually being a Nazi and doing Nazi things? You can’t be for real.
Note: I’m not saying that he is def just trolling, but it seems like it to me personally. I’m not here to defend Nazis or anything like that. I’m simply trying to figure out if you really genuinely believe that a Nazi salute as a troll (hypothetically) is just as bad as actually being a Nazi. To me personally one if def worse than the other.
OK hear me out.
A prolific bird watcher has been trying to spot a rare bird on a hot summer day. He’s been shading his brow with his hand for hours to avoid the sun.
His spouse approaches to see how he’s doing. Suddenly the bird appears! And the man, in his excitement tries to indicate to his wife to “Look up there in the sky” but his hand is still locked into the brow sunlight defence position! Oh no!
Fuck Elon Musk though. Fucking Nazi.
How fucking scary is it that the richest person in the world is a fucking nazi piece of shit and now one of our supreme leaders? If you ask the people around me, “meh.”
That’s because he’s the type of moron that shoots himself cleaning his own gun.
Are you referring to the loser neo-Nazi Oath Fucking Keeper? That is how the dipshit lost his eyeball.
Honestly none of them strike me as true adherents. They just go whichever direction looks like it will give them more power or money. If there is a next administration or some BLM like cause comes back in vogue you’ll see them out there preaching to that choir as if they had always supported that cause.
I’m an outsider looking in, but isn’t that still a problem? The unchecked capitalism which has now created an oligarchy in the US with the media and government being controlled by the richest of the rich? They’re so sure no one can do anything about it any more that they manipulate overtly and don’t even try to hide what they’re doing.
Seeing what’s happening in the US is very worrying.
While I agree most of them do whatever they believe will result in more money and power, BLM was a leftist cause so the only time they would support it (or anything inherently leftist) is if their propaganda magically started to fail and their base rejected them over their stance.
Completely agree. High five!!! Oh shit. Shit shit shit I forgot How tall I am.
Just a joke. Not defending just a joke. That little weasel doesn’t even have the balls to be an actual Nazi. Nazis are bad but He’s pretending to be a Nazi and denying it. That’s… Somehow… Worse. “Say what you want about the tenets of Nazis, atleast it’s an ethos”
Framing being a Nazi as having a defining rubric of out and proud suggests a false spectrum linking being brave and cowardly seems to a range between Nazi and Not Nazi. It’s more of a boolean function. A Nazi coward hiding in linen cupboard and an audacious Nazi in the streets willing to take a punch are still both just Nazis.
