what did Steve Jobs even do except for management and marketing, and why does he then get the praise for the hardware/software???
he did much more than that….
Right, he demanded “NO FANS” on most products and caused all those components to overheat. He was a true visionary.
He was a marketing and brand genius I give him that.
well you try recording music on a pc with a stupid fan that won’t shut up….
he did a lot of good and bad things… but more than “just a businessman” b.s.
I volunteered at a university radio station a few times and was taught how to cut out AC/Heater/Fan noise from a recording using audacity on what I think was my second time going in. Recorded a PSA about cancer screening.
It’s been almost a decade and a half so I don’t remember exactly how, but the point is that it was something they taught people effectively walking in off the street.
I’d imagine it’s different with a non-constant fan, but you can force computer fans to a consistent 100% speed through a handful of different ways.
i’m aware of this, but it definitely reduces sound quality
It’s just a low pass filter. Since human speech is massively out of the frequency range of a fan, you can just delete that whole frequency wholesale.
Audacity (or Audition/Cool Edit how the old guys know it) is a bit smarter. It can analyze a recording of the noise floor and then just attenuate that. It’s bad for quality music but good enough to improve speech, old tape recordings and records.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_I
might be an interesting read:
By March 1, 1976, Wozniak completed the basic design of his computer.[22][23] Wozniak originally offered the design to HP while working there, but it was rejected by the company on five occasions.[24] When he demonstrated his computer at the Homebrew Computer Club, his friend and fellow club regular Steve Jobs was immediately interested in its commercial potential.[25] Wozniak intended to share schematics of the machine for free, but Jobs advised him to start a business together and sell bare printed circuit boards for the computer.[26][27][28] Wozniak, at first skeptical, was later convinced by Jobs that even if they were not successful they could at least say to their grandchildren that they had had their own company. To raise the money they needed to build the first batch of the circuit boards, Wozniak sold his HP-65 scientific calculator while Jobs sold his Volkswagen van.[26][27]
to me he just seems like a businessman, not a developer
I’m not fan of Jobs but people are so eager to shit on him and hoist up “poor forgotten Wozniak” that they ignore all the credit and praise Wozniak himself gives Jobs.
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I have the deepest respect for Woz but yes once in a while jobs had interesting ideas that people that wasn’t possible because he had some engineering sense and understood what was/wasn’t reasonable to ask for in a product (Unfortunately that is not how he behaved with people, hence why he is rightfully remembered as a sociopath of the worst order).
It’s one thing to ask for the impossible because you’re ignorant/arrogant and not considering what is actually feasible. But Jobs’s track record was actually pretty good when it came to calling for things that people were skeptical of yet were absolutely possible, as evidence d by the products they would put to market. The iPod was considered a moonshot at one time.
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I mean, no. He died because he tried alternative medicine BS to treat his pancreatic cancer instead of actual medicine.
His doctors didn’t tell him to stop “eating too much fruit”.
Well he did think different. That includes his thinking about medicine.
So there are pros and cons to thinking different.
That’s true, he did more than just marketing and management. According to reports from his employees and C suite, he was also the one organizing the LSD parties and sometimes firing people HR had just signed a contract with.
hate to break it to you but:
lsd is a wonderful drug and a big reason why they were so innovative… and a big reason why we have the internet at all….
you may have been… misled into thinking an LSD party is like a crack party or something, but people who take lsd are actually interested in expanding their mind and it’s nothing at all like what the man says it’s like.
for example, here’s one paper on it:
….
i don’t think he was a very good person… pretty terrible with how he treated his daughter and employees… but i do think he was very smart, creative, and legitimately concerned with expanding human potential through computers… and successful in that.the structure of dna was discovered on lsd… much of the internet was created on lsd… one of ibm’s best programmers wrote a good paper on how lsd helped him hold an entire compiler in his head at once… much of silicon valley is currently microdosing lsd (and that’s in San Francisco, btw… capital of lsd).
in short, him throwing lsd parties is one of the best things he did….
(also, bill gates took lsd because of Jobs in order to be more creative, and then became one of the biggest philanthropists ever)
Dune. Mentats. Those guys did LSD, obviously. Thoughts acquire speed and clarity.
LSD definitely helped me understand calculus…
that and ShpongleI’ve had some delightful times on LSD.
Also, it (and some other things) led me to meditation. And that’s real magic.
i’d say it’s the best all psychedelics… all of the others get me the visuals without the mental aspect… except maybe DMT but that’s a lot harder to handle
It was PCR (the DNA amplification technique) that was invented by a guy who took a lot of LSD and who credited LSD for the creative spark
well no it was also PCR….
but still yes the structure:Neat. More LSD for research scientists!
I made zero qualitative statements about LSD - I’m not sure where this mix of a rant with defending the drug came from. You can use it without freaking out about any mention of LSD online, I wasn’t “misled” about anything and made absolutely zero statements about LSD itself.
But as a biologist, I’d like just to respond to your statement:
the structure of dna was discovered on lsd
No it wasn’t, I’m not sure were you got that from, please refrain from making statements about fields you do not have experience with.
https://maps.org/2004/08/08/nobel-prize-genius-crick-was-high-on-lsd-when-he-discovered-dna/
Crick, who died ten days ago, aged 88, later told a fellow scientist that he often used small doses of LSD then an experimental drug used in psychotherapy to boost his powers of thought. He said it was LSD, not the Eagle’s warm beer, that helped him to unravel the structure of DNA, the discovery that won him the Nobel Prize.
please refrain from being a condescending jerk just because you’re a biologist….
and you certainly implied that throwing lsd parties wasn’t a good thing… but it is.
You’re doubling down on it? That’s cute. The structure was figured out after Rosalind Franklin, an absolute genius on X-ray diffraction, collected all the data that Crick and Watson used and purposefuly didn’t credit. It wasn’t LSD, it was their female colleague, who gave them the missing information required to infer the proper shape.
damn, you’re such a hostile tool… take the L, buddy…
Rosalind Franklin may have been integral, but crick was still taking lsd when he inferred the proper shape, and i’d bet $20 Rosalind was taking it too….
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you’re definitely not a biologist though, fuckin liar… a real scientist would appreciate the nuance and not just try to argue bullshit side points to be right on a forum.
You seriously can’t see how the way you wrote that comment all but explicitly states that the LSD usage was a bad thing?
If that wasn’t your intention you need to critically re-examine how you write.
can’t see how the way you wrote that comment all but explicitly states that the LSD usage was a bad thing?
Don’t bring your preconceptions to my comment, or at the very least, don’t accuse me of subtext with your own delusions as a source.
My comment was mocking Steve Jobs’ productivity, as in, what was he actually working in. LSD parties and interfering with HR is not working directly with the engineering and quality of the products. That’s the extent of the comment. Your perceptions on LSD are irrelevant to me.
Clearly I’m not the only person who read it that way. No need to single me out.
ripped off Steve Wozniak
Honestly, genius-level move. Always a good decision.
Real story: A friend of mine used his iPhone on his motorcycle and it messed up the OIS. He went to Apple, said they wouldn’t fix it. He went to a third party and they told him they basically have to beg Apple to fix it and get parts so he’d have to leave his phone for a week to MAYBE get it fixed by the grace of the big fruit. He bought a new iPhone. I still don’t understand why.
Get your friend a dampener for their bike. Check out QuadLockCase.com for one example.
The link doesn’t work but he did have a special “isolation mount” but alas. And they specifically write they’re not responsible for damages.
Yeah, there’s no guarantee that’ll save it, but the QuadLock one has lots of videos of tests that seem convincing.
That said, optical image stabilization requires tiny, fairly-fragile parts to float the lenses. It’s kind of a miracle they survive even normal phone abuses, let alone high-frequency, shake-things-to-pieces vibrations.
Oh is this why my camera got fucked up after a long motorcycle trip?
Probably, yeah ☹️
hell yeah, other big corp hell companies are so mucht better!!! especially smasnug
lmao
meh, I don’t think OOP’s shilling for $local_phone_repair
Parts missing? I don’t believe this at all. A phone is basically a single board, screen, battery, lenses, audio bits. Everything is so jammed in that there’s no room to think parts are missing. No tech would make this mistake and Apple doesn’t benefit from generating a hostile customer experience. This is made up.
I used to work for Apple. I don’t believe the missing parts story because as you said, how would that even happen. But, if any parts have been replaced, especially the home buttons / finger print reader, they will refuse to fix, and I never understand why. So that may be what happened.
Also Jobs was 100% behind this stuff. It’s so annoying when people treat him like he was some tech god. He was a twat.
The refusal is likely tied to liability, in that they see any aftermarket parts or OoW repairs as a potential failure point and fear the customer may blame them for it. It wouldn’t even matter if the quality of work or parts is as good or better. There’s also another factor of trying to oversimplify any repairs/service to allow them to eventually hire unqualified/uneducated ‘techs’ for things who don’t have a clue what’s going on.
It’s only relatively recently that Apple have allowed non-apple staff to repair iPhones so by definition everyone is unskilled because there’s no way to be skilled unless you work for Apple.
He turned psychotic control over hardware into a science. He’s done more to harm open source than a weirdly misogynistic neck beard could ever do.
Sorry details may be fake, but I do believe an apple employee would pull some shot because policy dictates they sell new equipment over fixing old equipment.
I was a tech in a store and covered a fee on a replacement device because it was the second time the guy had to come to us. I gave a young woman (student) a free laptop because she’d had a super long repair history during my last week in that role. Apple conditions their retail employees to treat customers well and it’s something I missed getting to do for people forever after.
When I moved to the mothership, the only mantra was always about doing right by our customers. When I was interviewing for that gig, I asked one of the interviewers what he considered challenging about the job and he said that (coming from Microsoft to Apple) the company had an “insane” focus on its customers. It really is a top-down attitude. The company may be high sniffing their own farts, but they believe they’re uniquely focused on doing the right thing.
Gotta tell you, i have had very very different experiences
Every apple fanboy I talk to gushes about how amazing the genius bar is, helping them when they get their iPhone stuck in their ass.
But every casual user who has different problems beyond getting an iPhone stuck in their ass seems to get the same response: “Buy the next version”.
I dunno though I’m forced to use the apple products from work.
This is made up.
It’s a green text lol.
A lot of it is single board, but there are smaller PCB layered in there connected by ribbon cables or press-in connections. I replaced the battery in my iphone and it’s a tedious but doable DIY project. Anyway, the way it’s assembled doesn’t lend itself to missing parts. Parts of or the whole phone won’t work. No way would phone arrive “missing” parts - unless there was external damage to any cameras or switches.
Of course the tech didn’t believe that. However, Apple does benefit from tech illiterate customers buying a new iPhone instead.
Are you suggesting someone would lie? On the internet?
Are you suggesting someone would lie? At the Genius Bar?
Inconceivable.
The only way i would believe it is if they meant a screw or two or one of the flat metal plates that is used to secure other components. Ive repaired i pho es and they are a pain tk deal with and sometimes you forget exactly which screw goes where when they are mostly so small they all look the same. I misplaced a small plastic component thst acts as a sound amplifying cone to direct your voice soundwaves to the microphone use for phone calls and it made it so people couldnt hear me unless i used the speaker phone. But thats no good reason not to repair. They should have drawers filled with those screws and other internal irrelevant components
The missing part was a brand new iPhone or two.
Does less, costs more!
Windows sells my personal data, enshittifies all their software, and the UX annoys me five times per day; OSX doesn’t. It’s worth the extra money.
You think Apple ISN’T selling your Data? Oh my sweet summer child
There are good alternatives to both of those, and they’re free, and very customizable.
Linux is great but it’s not suitable for most people. When something breaks you need the command line to fix it.
It’s not like macOS or Windows are any different there.
My work got me an Macbook M3. After two weeks of dicking around with it, I went back to my Thinkpad. I don’t get it at all. I thought at least the hardware would be great, but I hate the hardware too. Too heavy, aluminum case feels fucking cold to the touch, screen still isn’t bright enough to work outside, keyboard has that fucked up layout. And although the M-series sets a nice trend, it currently cannot run GNU/Linux without lots of reverse engineering, so fuck that. My 2014 gen Thinkpad is a far better experience. I’m now even more convinced than ever that Apple is just a marketing cult.
I wish I had that choice, but my options right now are upgrade to an M3 now or wait until our stock runs out and get an M4. For now, I’ve decided to wait.
I have the same gripe with the aluminum chassis on laptops. I got a cheap Thinkpad Chromebook for personal use and even though the material on the X1 Carbons is a fingerprint magnet, at least it isn’t chilly every time you rest your hands on it.
When Apple can’t exploit poor minorities with targeted ads, things will get better. Probably the most overvalued company out there rn. People don’t realize how much Apple does to keep their pop culture status. It’s getting harder an harder to maintain, but it will never truly go away.
Steve Jobs was evil af
Seriously though. Fuck that guy.
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Nah, he fucked himself with that. Had a highly treatable form of cancer and chose to feed it a sugary fruit-only diet instead of going to a doctor.
Holy shit TIL, I had no clue this dude died because he was basically an anti-vaxxer/alternative medicine guy.
Jobs also believed that his commitment to vegan diets meant his body was flushed of mucus – and that it meant he was free from body odor, so he didn’t need to wear deodorant or shower regularly. Unsurprisingly, the book quotes former coworkers saying that he was very, very wrong. … One of his go-to stress relievers during Apple’s early days was soaking his bare feet in the company toilets. (link)
his doctors advised him to seek surgery as soon as possible. Instead, he delayed the procedure for nine months and attempted to treat himself with alternative medicine. This fateful decision may have quickened Steve Jobs’ death — when he still could’ve been saved. (link)
To his credit though, I believe he did admit he fucked up before he died. Which is certainly a lot better than the antivaxers of today.
Honestly, I don’t care that he admitted he fucked up given he effectively stole a liver from someone that could have used it and not just kill themselves through their shitty choices within a handful of years.
I hope his grave has a porta potty installed.
I believe lots of covid victims would admit they were wrong about being antivax, but it’s hard to talk on the ventilator.
hey guys- when you say “fuck that guy” I can say that his wife did that, cause they probably had sex
hey guys! you know who fucked steve jobs? his wife, probably! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
Why, exactly? Genuinely asking. I mean, don’t get me wrong, I’m no Apple fan, and he was absolutely an insufferable douchebag to nearly everyone he knew; and was a verifiable self-righteous fuckwit who Darwin’d himself out of existence by choosing woo-woo bullshit over medicine for a very treatable cancer.
Evil, though, I think might be a stretch – Elon, Thiel, Vance, Trump, Murdoch, the Sackler family, the Koch brothers, etc. all excellent contenders for being truly evil – but afaik Jobs was just a dickhead with an ego the size of a blimp, and I think we ought not dilute that term with just your run-of-the-mill dickheads. Unless you know something I don’t about him.
To start with, Jobs lied and cheated Wozniak out of money. And this was Jobs friend, not some random.
If he is willing to do this to his friends, you know he did it to others.
This told me nothing I didn’t already know. Like I said, he was a dickhead, to almost every single person in his personal and professional life. But evil requires a level of maliciousness that transcends the people you are in physical contact with, imo – you have to be actively striving to make life worse for at least a few hundred people or more.
A dickhead and a shitty father, sure. But “evil” would require him to have done something much worse than just treat his kid and the people in his immediate orbit like shit. Just my opinion.
“Genuinely asking”
He was the ringleader of an illegal anti-poaching agreement between tech companies that kept worker salaries down.
He’s the root cause of much of what is broken with modern tech hiring. Bill gates is responsible for the other half (trick questions, etc)
evil requires a level of maliciousness that transcends the people you are in physical contact with, imo
That’s a very strange definition. He also led moving manufacturing to China. You may have heard of the suicide nets they had to put up in their facilities.
I’ve never understood why it’s just Apple that seems to get the blame for using Foxconn, they’re estimated to make 40% of all consumer electronics. Nintendo uses them for all their consoles (since the GameCube), Sony use them for their hardware (TVs, the PlayStation, etc.), MS for the Xbox, Amazon for the Kindles, Google for the Pixels, etc.
I don’t want this to sound like whataboutism, but I’ve just literally never understood why people seemingly overlook all the other companies using them to place the blame solely on Apple.
ah, see, now that’s more like it.
that’ll do it for you, eh?
as someone else pointed out, your definition of evil is quite interesting in that a qualification is that it goes past people they are in physical proximity to.
not sure where you got that, seems a little comic-book-y… how about a nurse in a hospital that slowly poisons a child, watching doctors be baffled and see the parents fall apart with unspeakable grief because she likes the drama and was bored. not evil?
Yeah and she speaks French.
There are plenty of people who are jackasses to those around them, and ruthless in business.
Describing someone or something as evil really calls for something a bit more dramatic.
I tend to agree. Being a narcissistic asshole isn’t the same as being evil. In the first case, it means doing bad things because you are self centered and have no regard for other people. The bad things aren’t done to hurt others, just to in a self serving way. Being evil requires an intent to do harm.
It shouldn’t surprise you. Being evil is practically a requirement for that level of success as a capitalist.
This is almost exactly what happened to me except they told me my phone had mold growing inside it from the shattered screen I wanted replaced.
The “mold” was pocket lint from waiting a month to get it fixed.
Bitch actually said right to my face that my phone no longer works so let’s get you a new one. I powered on the phone right there and he started backpedaling and grifting ‘oh but it won’t be long tho’. So I went home and still use it with the shattered screen because fuck them.
FYI, you can replace the screen yourself. I’ve replaced the screen and battery on an older iPhone. Bought the parts off Amazon, watched a YouTube video and that’s it. Super tiny screws so it may help if you have a magnifying glass (or one of those magnifying + light units for painting miniatures).
Never thought of doing that myself tbh but I’ll check it out, thanks for the idea. Id be happy if I could get a couple more years out of it because it sure beats these iPhone prices now
The other super useful tool to have is a heat gun. Go grab one from Harbor Freight for like $20 while they are on sale. This allows you to melt the adhesive they use to hold the screen in place
Apple has a self repair program where they send you the tools and parts needed for the repair that you return the tools and broken parts when you’re done.
Haven’t done one myself since I but I’ve read of others success stories with the process. The parts are not as cheap as going third party but if you’re buying your owns tools it might end up cheaper overall.
and I’m guessing you will still continue to use apple products and buy another iphone… apple users are such sheep
I’d love nothing more than to move back to android, but I’m a cheap bastard.
I’m going to drive this til the wheels fall off
i feel ya there bud, im still rockin ancient technology here too
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I miss the days people working the Genius Bar were actually tech savvy and not just “lifestyle influencer wannabes”
Their “repair” program is nothing but a scam to nudge you into buying a new Apple product to replace the broken one with overinflated repair prices and bullshit excuses like that.
Also it works exactly as Steve Jobs intended.
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I can’t tell if your comment is satire or real. I hope it’s satire.
You really can’t tell?
there’s no fucking way, right? the 8 bucks an hour made me incredulous, as did the “best men” wording… honestly, lately though, I’ve interacted with utter fucking morons here on Lemmy, which almost never happened in the first year or so. did some kind of very user friendly app come along with some awareness outreach?
Dude talked about Steve Jobs “run[Ning their] crypto empire”. I think the satire speaks for itself…
You need to use the word “motivated” more
Ascend to Fairphone
While I get and applaud the mission of the Fairphone, there are some serious compromises you have to make spec-wise to be on it.
Even in the greentext, dude paid $60, not bad for + ~3 years of life. Your run of the mill Android will probably be cheaper as significantly less “part serializing” bull happens on the android side
It’s not worth the power-handicap they shove in that thing.
“Power handicap” compared to what like a 2k phone? My almost 4.5 yo Pixel 4a is still doing fine in terms of specs. Only the battery is junk by now. I don’t need a phone that is more powerful and more expensive than my freaking PC, I just want one that does not make replacing the battery a huge pain in my ass.
I just replaced my over-six-year-old iPhone, and the battery still lasted the better part of a day. That’s pretty solid.
Apart from the price premium, which is still far from Apple’s, and seems rational considering they try to limit impact on the people and the planet, what are those serious compromises? I had the Fairphone 2, and I would agree this one was clunky, and you needed to be somewhat of an activist to stand it. But from the Fairphone 4 that I have now, and likely the 5th, I don’t see much compromise, everything has been perfectly smooth for me.
Writing on a Fair phone 4 it’s amazing to easily replace stuff that breaks but they need to seriously sort out their software side never had a glitchier phone.
What glitches do you have? I also have this one, and I don’t have noticed much issues. The only thing that I noticed is the camera taking a bit of time to return the image when used inside a messaging app, which may be an issue of the app. I have no doubt every phone has some glitches sometimes.
I’ve had all sorts from ghost inputs, slow performance like super lag, going on and off charge affecting apps like Instagram it’ll just play a whole new video and decide it’s now on light mode even though my theme setting is dark. The camera takes ages to start, and you have to hold it still for a second after taking a photo, otherwise it blurs. I’ll add while it’s cool you can replace things, they are often out of stock for certain modules had to wait months for batteries and screens to come back in. It all makes the having a flagship phone for more than 5 years a better argument, as I’ve seen very little response or ability from Fairphone to fix these issues. Great movement and ideology, I just don’t think they’re skilled enough to maintain it well. They just move on to the next new shiny at the same pace a flagship would, defeat the point. They should be following something like the light phone’s development schedule only when it’s nessary of LP doesn’t have the repaiability.
Maybe you have been unlucky with your machine because I haven’t experienced that apart from the slow camera on a messaging app. All I have needed so far is replacing the battery once on my FP2, I’ll probably do that for my 4 too. I agree that the pace of release is a bit too fast given the mission, but I think it’s a commercial compromise they have found to stay afloat.
“Some of the parts were missing”
You motherfuckers put the damn thing together in the first place!
At least where I live, if the bootleg repair place isn’t slightly moldy, it’s a scam. Rundown, old white tiles on the wall, chipped mirror somewhere, a frail curtain to separate the back area from the front counter, and, in summer, a mandatory swiveling standing fan. That’s where your phone will get a second lease on its live!
Never did a lot of specifically phone repair, but all the computer and misc electronics repair I’ve worked at follow a similar pattern to yours. To add to it - there should be cobbled together racks, behind the flimsy curtain, filled with devices of many vintages in many states of (dis)repair.
The cleaner the place and the steeper the price, a lotta times the better the proprietor is at business than at electronics, lol
Apple absolutely does NOT slow old phones when the send out new updates. Anymore.
/s
I am almost certain, Google is doing the same with the pixels. My Pixel 6 suddenly lags or doesn’t react on inputs.
GrapheneOS.
Or maybe try looking at battery usage. Android is a piece of shit, including the apps included in it. Maybe an update changed the way one of them worked.
GraphineOS without google play sandbox got me like 3days no charge
I think I’ll need stock Android due to those two factor authentication apps for banking, which are not allowing to be ran on custom or rooted phones.
I really loved Cyanogen tho …
A lof of banking apps do work on grapheneOS: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/
My battery life has been soo much better since Google Play can’t do whatever it fucking wants anymore.
Some work, some are more of a pain in the ass (2fa for every single interaction even with biometrics enabled), and some don’t work. You lose anything that relies on Google pay, so no public transit passes or anything like that, no tap to pay, etc.
And more to the point, the main graphene guy has unaddressed mental health issues and refuses to seek treatment (he appears to believe the problem is everyone else), and I genuinely don’t feel comfortable with that one man show controlling my phone. Is google evil? Yes. Unstable? Not really, they are evil in generally predictable ways. I do actually hope he seeks help because nobody should live the way he does, but last I heard from earlier this year he’s still up to his same old behaviors.
the main graphene guy has unaddressed mental health issues and refuses to seek treatment (he appears to believe the problem is everyone else)
Daniel Micay stepped down last year
[]. Also, he was allegedly being swatted which would put anyone on edge, considering someone has already been killed over it[]and police aren’t exactly known for treating people humanely.I genuinely don’t feel comfortable with that one man show controlling my phone
Looks like there’s 16 people involved in the project
[]- excluding any external contributors, that’s definitely more than one. Granted, its probably the previous lead and the new one who have the most commits, I haven’t looked, but its still not just a single developer. That said, your concern is valid. Smaller projects are more likely to die as soon as their main contributors lose interest or stop working on it for any reason - see the end of DivestOS as a prime example[].[]https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/14/us/swatting-sentence-casey-viner/index.htmlYep, I’ve seen this ~exact post a several times, same general structure and points, none of it acknowledging that the attacks on other people in the community started long before the alleged swat (no, I don’t actually believe it based on every other persecution complex lie he’s told, but that’s neither here nor there).
Nor does it acknowledge that he “stepped down” seemingly in name alone, still having full control of the project (I’ll admit I’m fuzzier on these details, I read a compelling breakdown but I can’t first-hand corroborate so I’m not going to argue this point past saying “I hear things”).
The real bottom line is this: I’ve been part of this community for years now and have been part of his chat rooms, and have seen first hand his behaviors towards other groups and towards his own supporters and users, all prior to the alleged swatting. You will not convince me he is healthy until I see some meaningful personal acknowledgement of his past behavior.
