Used to be a phone salesman. Got there at least 15 minutes late every day. It got so bad that one time I got there 15 minutes early and when my boss saw me get there he shouted “Steve?! What time is it?!”. Nobody cared because I outsold everyone else for so much that I was making almost twice as much as anyone else, until the boss of my boss’ boss decided to start micromanaging the branch basically told me I would be fired unless I was on time. Boomers have weird priorities.
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Meh. It’s all about power. Same reason tucking in your shirt and being clean shaven is a big thing for some boomer execs, it’s just some bullshit they can’t use to force people to conform
This seems more likely. The same guy also wanted me to buy a suit because jeans and military boots give clients a bad image of the company. We did all of our business through the phone.
He probably wanted you to buy a suit, but wouldn’t give you a stipend for it if you asked
As a millennial I’m on team, “Work starts at 9, show up at 9”… but if you’re a little late here and there, whatever. So long as the work gets done.
I show up 30 minutes early because everyone at my job is incompetent so I have to see how things are going so I can plan my day. Im mid 20’s
I would be this way but I started my career in Boston and the T and the busses and the tunnels there make anything close to this impossible. If you actually wanted to be on time you’d be showing up 20 minutes early just as often as 15 minutes late. To truly always be on time would mean planning to get there an hour early every day.
Companies downtown here know just not to put meetings between 9 and 10 because it’s just impossible that every single member of a team will make it to work without issues even once a week. I’d guess even hourly jobs give more flexibility than you’d expect from a standard employer here because it’s just such a clusterfuck to transit in Boston
The further into the burbs you get, the more hardcore companies are about enforcing a 9-5.
I’m paid to solve problems, not warm a chair and let my manager look over my shoulder constantly.
The mouth pieces for the ruling class really love pumping out articles to drive division between us…
I mean, this is from Fortune magazine. It’s owned by a billionaire. So it’s hardly surprising.
Thanks for pointing that out. Its like we have multiple levels of control mechanisms ensuring our eternal enslavement.
“it’s like”? Yes suspiciously like that. Almost exactly. Hmm.
10 minutes is on time. Unless you work with shifts, where other people need to wait for you.
Yeah, 10 minutes where I work can snowball if just the right ingredients are in play. But at least the pay isn’t total shit. Just a bit shit. ($25/hour should be the national minimum, dammit!)
I’m glad my job doesn’t care as long as your timecard makes sense.
Same here. If I start around 12pm-ish, it’s totally fine and I guess nobody would even bother if I slept a little longer. At my previous job I got my ass handed to me if I didn’t show up early in the morning, and no one cared that the office was at the ass-end of the world or that I put in a night shift the day before…it was horrible.
Late due to traffic? Who cares? Wanna leave early on a Friday and have overtime? Be my guest!
Flexi time, baby!
Depends on the work and if people depend on you being on time. Applying one rule doesn’t really make sense, but neither does RTO or a lot of work culture.
I’m with the boomers on this one. You don’t have to start going 100% as soon as work starts, but at least be there. I guess it’s just a thing I feel personally is a good thing, when people are punctual. In a work setting I think it depends on the job. In relaxed office I suppose it’s whatever, unless you have meetings and shit, but don’t keep people waiting on you. It’s more about politeness and respecting people’s time for me, than us’ hyper capitalistic, ruthless industrial complex, void of decent labor laws with out of touch, powerhungry clueless boomer-bosses (adjectives!) who think being late is a curse upon their House.
Arriving 10 minutes late sometimes and being punctual aren’t related. (Don’t get angry, keep reading) If you aren’t making anyone wait for you, someone who really needs you, like a coworker waiting for a shift change, opening a store, a meeting, or attending a client, then you’re not late. It’s your time and your work, if the work is being done and delivered on time, then you are punctual, doesn’t matter if you arrived 10 minutes late that day.
That’s why at my office meetings are not allowed exactly at 8 or later than 4 pm, nor at lunch times. We are adults, we recognize we all have personal lives.
At my last job I worked with a boomer manager. She was always 15 minutes early, great, right? She had the worst work ethic I have ever seen. She usually left at 9 or so to do personal errands. Would take extended lunches for two hours or more. She would regularly cancel last minute or entirely miss meetings. Would leave late every single day, usually closing office (turns out she was embezzling money). Did she extend these courtesies to her employees? Not at all, she would give warnings and fire people, check cameras and comb timesheets to deduct wages, would complaint about bathroom breaks and fired a coworker for taking maternity leave. The point is, punctuality is a value about being considerate with other people’s time, not enslaving to a clock. Chairs have no feelings, they won’t notice if you sat 10 minutes late on them.
Punctual means arriving at a specific time. I think you mean punctuallity doesn’t always matter.
Ten minutes late to a meeting? Go somewhere else and make someone else’s life harder. Ten minutes late to holding a chair down? I don’t care if you’re on the moon, just get your shit done.
Sounds like the Peter principle at work, ensuring that Parkinson’s law will be exemplified.
If your employees are living their lives to the clock, they’re counting down the seconds rather than ticking off their tasks.
Can’t really agree here. If you have an agreement on when your work starts, you should honor it. If it doesn’t matter when you start working, have flexible hours put into your contract.
In some fields, this behavior would just lead to someone else having to do your work. Not very cool
I feel like for some employers this is a one way thing, come in 10 minutes late? How dare you breach our contract. Oh you have to stay 10 minutes late because a meeting has overrun? It’s part of the job!
Obviously not all employers are like this, but there are so many that are and don’t afford you the same flexibility that you have to give them in their eyes.
Coming to work 10 minutes later than the agreed time is just not on time as finishing 10 minutes later. Both can happen once in a while and I general I don’t see an issue, e.g. there’s been an accident on the road you use to work? Not your fault, but you weren’t there on time. 10 minutes of more work because something that nobody had on their radar came up? Also ok but also not on time.
It’s a totally different thing to say “sorry I’m late, I’ll make up for it by covering for you next time you need to leave a bit earlier” and “10 minutes later is basically on time”. Same if a boss says “Sorry this took longer today, just come in later another day” which is fine vs “a little bit of extra work has never hurt anybody” or “your own fault you didn’t finish the task during agreed hours”
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I would guess the stats would be the same if you compared boomers at Gen z’s age. I have definitely worked with a lot of always late boomers. The generations aren’t as much of a divide as a timeframe and young people will do as they always have.
How i felt reading that title
If I’m always expected to work half an hour late, showing up to work ten minutes late is early as long as no one is waiting on me.
Hang on Gen X once the boomer population dies out you’re next in the ongoing war to keep generations hating each other. You may get lucky and the future articles will skip over you and go directly to the “uptight, low tolerance Millennials”
These articles are such overgeneralized bullshit just to get people mad at each other. I bet there are older workers that are always late to work and I bet there are young workers that are on time and do amazing work. Yet nuance like that doesn’t drive angry clicks and comments.
I bet there are older workers that are always late to work
I’ve employed several, and in my experience they’re usually the ones who spend most of their time at the bottom of a bottle.
Gen X exists in name only. It went from boomers to millenials and nobody blinked.
I’m looking forward to it. GenX here, fuck all of you and fuck all of this. I just want to spend time with my family and friends.
I don’t think anyone outside of GenX understands how fucked GenX is. We are jaded AF You’re free to come for us but fuck around and find out.
I mean…yeah?
Millennials aren’t doing hot either. As best as I can tell Gen Z has the best chance because they’ve adjusted to the new economic reality.
Nah man, we don’t want to fuck with you except as friends. After the boomers, we all cool.
If you say so, but I’m a millennial who heard a lot of “we’ll never belittle the next generation like the Boomers did to us” from my peers back in the day. And yet here we are calling the next generation “iPad kiddies” and taking the piss of teenagers who are doing the exact same shit we should have done if we had TikTok in the 90s.
Lol as if fuck around and find out is exclusive to one generation.
No previous generation has ever wanted to spend time with family and friends before! This is unprecedented!! Every single old person has only ever wanted to go to work and help create value for shareholders by fucking over the disadvantaged!!!
Low tolerance millennials?
If anything millennials are just becoming more and more radicalized against the elites and the unhealthy work “ethics” they had to endure.
Good on the next generations if they dare standing up for themselves.
Some of us. A lot of us are just like the stereotype of our boomer parents.
Millennials are reversing the trend and getting more progressive as they age contrary to all other studied generations
https://www.ft.com/content/c361e372-769e-45cd-a063-f5c0a7767cf4
I personally don’t want to hear anything about coming in late when I usually am the last one to leave the office in the evening.
I’m the other way around. I’ve agreed to work for these hours, so I’m showing up on time and leaving on time. They seem to value this higher than more total time spent.
