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    Love to the poster, I don’t agree with these views, but this argument would fall completely flat because they think disabled people should just die if they’re “too weak”. If you can just don’t go to these places because they’re run by delusional people at best and Nazis at worst.

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      When my (then) 4 yo was undergoing chemo I had a goto line I used often when people would comment on my mask:

      You’re right. I should let my kid who has no immune system because he’s on chemo for cancer treatment just die then, right?

      Honestly, if you’re still masking and get flak, just say the above anyhow. You have my permission.

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        I agree. What I’m trying to point out is that we’re dealing with incredible amounts of Hitler particles with these people and we’re past the point of reason.

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    The mayor of NYC is talking about it because of Luigi. My brother in Christ, Luigi doesn’t care about your mask ban.

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      Ok, Mayor Adams, you’re in favor of a mask ban.

      So anyway, back to what we were talking about, why haven’t you resigned despite being indicted for corruption and influence-peddling?

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    And sick people should wear them too when they go into stores. But where is this actually a topic anyway? I’ve not heard much of anything regarding masks since the pandemic.

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        The pandemic is still over. Covid became endemic and there’s both vaccinations and medications for it now, while the latest strains are also much less problematic than the first ones. People since then have stopped wearing masks. I may see like one person a year with a mask.

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          Endemic is not an improvement on the situation. It’s just an acknowledgement that we were inadequate to deal with it when it was reasonably possible, and are giving up now. I don’t leave the house without a P100, because my species appears to be insane.

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      My sister said she loved not being told by random creepy dudes at the grocery store that she’d be prettier if she smiled more.

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        They need something like Invisalign, but they make your teeth appear to be in terrible condition. So, when says that you can smile and scare the shit out of them.

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        is it schizo? Objectively? No not really. As far as popular culture, am i schizo for not wanting to reveal my identity to anybody? Probably a little bit.

        I would argue it may be a violation of unreasonable search, but definitely a violation of our right to privacy (that we should have).

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          Ah thanks for clarifying I was like wait I’m schizo?

          I’d say the right to privacy would be covered under the right to not be searched without a warrant.

          The facial recognition on every corner is an unreasonable search IMO and society has just accepted it? Morons with well I’ve got nothing to hide…

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            Ah thanks for clarifying I was like wait I’m schizo?

            np, and just between the two of us, yeah you are :)

            I’d say the right to privacy would be covered under the right to not be searched without a warrant.

            it depends on the specifics i think, but from what i can understand the primary legal argument against it right now is actually “unreasonable search and seizure” and “illegal evidence collection” rather than, warrant specific things, though im sure that’s sort of adjacent.

            The problem right now is that none of our laws explicitly protect things like forcing people to use face ID in order to unlock their phone, because it isn’t technically “extracting” information from someone unwillingly. Similar issues with collecting evidence from the trash, or using AI facial recognition. There just aren’t any clear laws, and the police are taking advantage of it while they can.

            The facial recognition on every corner is an unreasonable search IMO and society has just accepted it? Morons with well I’ve got nothing to hide…

            i think for facial recognition, i would argue it’s a violation of right to privacy, rather than unreasonable search and seizure, because they aren’t searching for anything, or seizing anything, necessarily. I think i would rather have stronger privacy laws after the fact anyway.

            Also, facial recognition is mostly a problem with using cameras in public, rather than police using cameras in public, putting this under unreasonable search and seizure limits it to police activity explicitly, i would much rather not be facially recognized at all, when outside. Private entity, or not.

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      Remember that you’re not crazy for or alone in wanting that privacy. If I saw you shooting them out with a pellet gun then no, I didn’t.

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          Are you trying to suggest that what Trump says he’ll do and what he does are bound by some code of honour or something? That he tells the truth in advance? That he’s honest about his agenda? That he doesn’t just make up shit on the spot like “inject bleach” that strikes him as a good idea at the time in his tiny brain? That’s really not my experience last time round. Outside of a few ideas that he stuck with, whim and unpredictability are the hallmarks of a Trump administration. You never knew what was coming next. Why would we know now?

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          He put RFK jr. and Dr. Oz at the helm of our health system get with the fucking program dude.

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    Anti-maskers are like 6 year olds throwing a tantrum because you’re making them eat broccoli.

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      Those who oppose it for themselves during a pandemic are just children refusing to do their part to help others.

      Those who oppose it for others are sex perverts. They oppose masks solely because they want to be able to see the faces of random people in the street so they can commit them to memory and later masturbate to them. Really they belong on the sex offender registry.

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    is this under the assumption that this isn’t the point? they’re fascists, getting rid of disabled people is on brand and purposeful.

    reminder that the party of “death panels will kill your grandma if anyone gets affordable healthcare” actively called for the death of grandmas when they didn’t want to be inconvenienced by a piece of cloth over their mouth.

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    Banning masks only serves to increase the overreach of our surveillance state.

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    lets turn this around on them. they aren’t banning masks… they’re banning Halloween.

    they’re trying to cancel Halloween! what’s next, Christmas?!

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      they aren’t banning masks… they’re banning Halloween.

      I’m more than confident that the NYPD will make an exception for something that’s lucrative to Big Business. The issue is that medical masks outside of one day in October aren’t highly profitable, while CCTV cameras on every corner and AI facial recognition running across a thousand enormous data centers absolutely is.

      Can’t justify the enormous state investment in spying if these high profile assassinations demonstrate the holes in the system. So we just make masks illegal (except on the one day when it makes businesses money) and tell people with weak immune systems to eat shit.

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        I’ll make an exception for police who aren’t in my field of vision to live.

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      Given the popularity of anti mask overlapping with fundamentalist they would ban Halloween. Possibility even Christmas as the only holiday we are authorized to celebrate is the Lord’s Day, Sunday.

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        It’s also permissible to celebrate the 4th of July when Jesus came down from Heaven with the Constitution on stone tablets and gave them to the founding fathers.

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    Are these “people banning masks” in the room with you right now?

    In all seriousness, I wear masks when I go anywhere where there is high traffic and I’ve never even so much as gotten an angry gaze from anyone. I don’t think anyone would enforce such laws or initiatives.

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      some folks on here are very paranoid and might suffer from severe anxiety disorder. They were saying how its draconian for your boss to ask for a doctors note and to fire you if you missed work.

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    It’s important to note that the mask is far more effective in stopping the wearer from transmitting a virus than it is in stopping the wearer from contracting a virus.

    High risk individuals rely on others wearing their mask to protect them from infection. Those people will effectively be relegated to their homes through the virus season if they want to remain safe. Hopefully they have the money to pay for deliveries for the season.

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      It’s important to note that the mask is far more effective in stopping the wearer from transmitting a virus than it is in stopping the wearer from contracting a virus.

      While this is generally true, I’d be remiss if I didn’t point out that a properly-fitted respirator provides very good protection. Even more so if it’s an elastomeric with P100 filters (99.97% PFE with absurdly high fit factors).

      But…

      You’re absolutely right, if everyone would consistently wear at least an earloop respirator like a KF94 or KN95 — even if the quality is a bit sketchy and even if the fit is less than ideal — that would cut down on viral particulate emissions a great deal and task your own respirator with orders of magnitude less particulate to filter out.

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      It’s important to note that the mask is far more effective in stopping the wearer from transmitting a virus than it is in stopping the wearer from contracting a virus.

      It’s more effective for others to wear them than for you to wear them. But it is still beneficial to wear a mask outside when you’re at risk of contagion, assuming you pair it with hand sanitizer and other preventative measures.

      Those people will effectively be relegated to their homes through the virus season if they want to remain safe.

      At some point, telling people not to leave their homes if they want any kind of safety, but denying them access to medical equipment because it makes you feel unsafe only serves to deflect responsibility from the able-bodied to the vulnerable.

      It would be like telling people in wheelchairs that ramps make me feel clumsy so you just shouldn’t leave your house if you want full mobility.

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      Yep I’ve had a cold all last week and have been masking up for my grocery runs. It’s just about being a decent human being.

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        The people who ban masks are so self centered that they think a masked person assumes that they are sick, or dirty. They never even comprehend that it might be to help them, because they don’t understand helping people

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      I can’t believe we are you still have to explain this in 2024. I have zero faith in humanity left, aside from Luigi ofc.

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      The reason they want you to not wear masks is, facial recognition that is literally everywhere doesn’t work if your masked. You can help protect the vulnerable and yourself from invasive tracking with this one simple trick.

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        facial recognition that is literally everywhere doesn’t work if your masked.

        Afaik that’s illegal within the EU. Also, there’s more than just facial recognition. They can even learn the way you walk.

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          Yeah there is way more digital human recognition going on than we all like to acknowledge here in the states.

          I must admit I’m super jealous of you Europeans. I’m very happy that you ladies and gents over there have a more formed and functional governance and your not yet in our predicament.

          Watching a documentary of the first peoples of Ireland and wish I could be there instead of here right now.

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            The EU can be extremely bipolar unfortunately, see the chat control debate currently. I’m actually surprised with how many decent shit gets through sometimes, considering how most of the EU parliaments are mostly made up of conservatives or worse.

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              Just be thankful that your right wing is the equivalent of our left wing here in the states. We don’t even have a left wing, just right and batshit crazy. I do follow as much European news as I can and I do see we are exporting our specific brand of batshit. I hope it never gets its footing.

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        The reason I don’t want you to wear masks is I don’t like being surrounded by faces I can’t read.

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        That may be a side effect but it’s not the reason.

        The reason is that they don’t want to be told what to do by the government. They want to use the government to tell other people what to do.

        “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

        This is about wielding power.

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          Government: “wear a mask to protect others”

          Conservatives: “you can’t tell me what to do, hurr durr muh freedumbs!”

          Government: “wearing a mask is strictly prohibited”

          Conservatives: “whose boot shall I lick?”

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          Just to pile on to that thought, it’s also a wedge issue that makes stupid people very angry, and angry people are motivated to be politically active. They will shout down reasonable people, commit acts of violence, and vote in reliable numbers. Polite society tends to avoid political debate, in part because the angry morons show up to disrupt the quiet.

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      Exactly. I find it strange that someone who’s immune system is compromised to the point where a ‘common cold’ can kill them has been just hanging out in public and it’s only a problem now. Masks weren’t invented in 2020. Op is likely farming Internet points.

      I’ve had a compromised immune system before. Going out in public and trusting a mask to protect me would be like wearing safety goggles when you jump into a wood chipper.

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        Yeah. Clearly, they should just stay inside their plastic bubbles and never see the sun so that the rest of us don’t have to worry about coughing in other people’s faces.

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        Sometimes going out in public is necessary, such as to the doctor, or to get food if there’s not someone to help with that. And sometimes it requires passing through other public spaces, such as public transportation. A person can have no illusions about the degree to which masks help, but still depend on them because what else is there?

        As the spouse and caregiver of a compromised person, I wear a KN95 anytime I go into a store or other indoor public space, to try to avoid catching and bringing home anything that might land him in the hospital again.

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          It does, and you should wear it. But if you are immunocompromised (like me) you also need to protect your eyes, and wash your clothes, skin, and hair following a trip out in public. The days when people were wearing masks were wonderful.

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            All true! But it’s not all-or-nothing either - reducing the viral load of the initial infection actually reduces the severity of the symptoms by reducing the load on the immune system. An infection picked up from clothes will be much less severe than one directly inhaled into the lungs.

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      Check the sidebar.

      microblogmemes is meant to be a whitepeopletwitter alternative that doesn’t divide based on race. There’s no rule about it needing to be funny or a joke.

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        I will continue calling out the political soapboxing here for as long as I either get banned or they change the name of the community.

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          You literally can’t change the name of a community.

          People used to say this about subreddits too.

          It’s a silly thing to say. Communities and subreddits aren’t files you can rename on a whim.

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            Then perhaps we should just make a community for screenshots of political twitter posts and keep the meme communities for memes.

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                  Soapboxing until the impossible happens is literally what you said you were going to waste your time on:

                  I will continue calling out the political soapboxing here for as long as I either get banned or they change the name of the community.

                  You apparently have a poor memory.

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          Technically what you did is say this wasn’t a meme. It wasn’t until here you mentioned why you’re upset about it not being a meme, and now you are very reasonably being downvoted straight to hell where you belong.