Two lines from the bottom they are missing:
Discovered DOTA2
This implies the existence of two other CEO assassins working the Broadway and Wall Street lanes
They really got him? Or is this just some ruse?
Press seem sure of themselves.
I think this guy worked with the real killer. Luigi would get caught, these idiots stops looking, killer gets away.
Why wear the same thing and carry all the crap that can get you caught?
Why are the bags and jackets different from the surveillance photos?
Yeah, why travel to Pennsylvania with a letter admitting guilt and all the 3D printed stuff with you? This guy got private education and never watched a crime series? Never learned to dump his gear or destroy the evidence? Kinda weird.
It’s very easy to say what people did wrong and what you would do better sitting behind your keyboard having never been in that situation.
Come on man. This was so well planned and “ditching the evidence” wasn’t in the plan? You seriously believe that?
I believe neither of us were there so it’s bullshit to say what we would have done.
So it makes more sense to you that someone who didn’t pull the trigger just up and agreed to be the fall guy?
I’m not buying that.
Yes it makes sense. Look at all the support the shooter is getting. Look at how many people say they would even help him.
If they can prove that they were somewhere else at the time, then it doesn’t matter. They both walk.
I do think it’s really him, if you look at a photo of Luigi taken from above, the resemblance is undeniable to the surveillance camera photo.
There’s a lot of cope in this thread.
The Activation if The Division has begun.
What happens if he turns out to be a neoreactionary?
If the only evidence is from old Twitter posts, keep in mind that Musk wants him made an example of, and is not above editing the contents of anyone’s account to get his goals (which he asserts is his right, as he owns the site and everything in it)
You do have a point. At this juncture, I think, anything is possible. Really, non of it ads up. Half is fake and the other half is mystery. There is definitely still a large leap from his actions to this ideaology.
The simplest answer is he was pissed at UHC for denying medical claims for him or the ones he loved, and the CEO had dialed up the denials so an obvious target.
iirc on one of his social medias the banner was a back X-ray with medical nails or screws in it. I assume he (or someone he knows) was having back issues and got denied.
His former college roommate said he always struggled with back problems which is one reason he tried to work out so much
He did everything right and believed in the system.
And then he himself, or someone close to him, got a diagnosis that ensured life-long medical debt and poverty.The movie Falling Down, but replace terrible temper with chronic back pain.
He seems to have had a spinal surgery and had pins put in his spine. Books he’s looked at seems to indicate chronic pain and fights with insurance companies.
It was exactly what every single person thought who wasn’t paid to think otherwise.
Had exact same fusion performed.
4 screws, 2 rods to connect them, and a 3-d sintered titanium cage between the vertebrae.
I can attest to the chronic pain and wanting to armor a bulldozer
chronic pain conditions are something our healthcare and disability systems specifically don’t handle well and I haven’t met anyone suffering from them that doesn’t want to [redacted].
worse still, certain treatments like acupuncture or cupping that specifically target fascia, or shit like somatic therapy, aren’t really legitimized by insurance so absent of a diagnosis with a known intervention your choices are to go to a pain clinic and take something possibly addictive or pay your way into alt medicine providers who can either be exactly who you need or hokey grifters.
Many chronic pain patients suffer from something called central sensitization.
I do, though didn’t really know about it in detail before finding a clinic that treats those patients.
I did 3 weeks at Mayo hospital’s pain rehabilitation clinic to run their program for patients that are all specifically central sensitization. You go in a bit blind not knowing what the program is, intentionally on their part.
It is run by several world class cognitive behavioral therapy doctors, and a team of nurses and physical therapists that work with you daily. It is… aggressive. You have no option to not do physical therapy or cardio, of which there is 2 hours and over 20 exercises to do every day. No matter how you hurt or feel. People who were there were all objectively seriously injured at one point and had like me real issues and real disabilities. The most empathetic thing that could do for you is to not acknowledge your symptoms and just make you do it.
They also took all and I mean ALL medications. Couldn’t have miralax. No advil. No gas medicine from the gas station. Nothing taken for symptoms. You could take things prescribed for conditions like aside reflux disease or insulin for diabetes, but nothing for how you felt.
So imagine having to do 2 hours of intense exercise, giving up all medications in about 3 days time, and doing things cold turkey for 3 weeks without any room to tap out. On top of that it is 35 hours a week of lectures on various topics related to the condition of centralized sensitization, chronic pain stress management, biofeedback, depression, anxiety, and skills to better enable you to live life.
They even held 1 hour sessions a week with family to summarize key lectures and give Q&A for them to help the patients be better supported in this weird chronic pain thing most families don’t understand.
It’s intense and not for everyone, but I went from being unable to do any physical activity, even walking the dog while I was taking pain medications and muscle relaxants etc. I went from that to biking 10 miles a day, at a 3:45 minute mile pace. I started their reconditioning program at 1 lb dumbbells doing curls for ten reps. I am now, 8 months after the program, curling 30 lb dumbbells and doing my own 2 hour workouts every week day.
I am still in incredible amounts of pain. They could not and will not fix the underlying causes physically or biologically.
However, they change patient lives with the CBT focus on how to live a more function filled life with chronic pain. They make us more active and better able to live a life worth living, within the constraints of moderate, sustainable, and adaptable.
Anyway, it changed me life and I would recommend it to anyone if they are in the long term battle with chronic pain. I saw specialists and got dozens of medications and scans for things. Surgical procedures, injections, blocks… you name it.
Only this worked to give me part of my life back.
Good luck to you
I am so happy to hear you found something that worked for you and it sounds like it was a hell of a fight but that kind of intense care can be so impactful if it’s the right fit for you. It sounds not unlike a good psychiatric crisis center but more focused on treating physical symptoms that are often deeply interlinked with mental health in a way few providers treat effectively.
ultimately no two cases are the same and I feel like I’ve needed the opposite treatment in some respects. I hit a wall with PT and strength conditioning and while it’s definitely still an important part of my recovery, it seems that isolated muscle strength is not the problem, and it’s actually possible I’ve been overtraining to try to feel better. best working theory is I’m hypermobile and instinctively locking my joints to retain stability. I generally have a lack of sensation and don’t feel much direct pain, until my posture / muscle arrangement is so out of whack that I can’t function anymore.
so the work has been more focused on building bodily awareness and imporoving proprioception, and when I work out it tends to be pretty freeform and meditative and I have to aim for working out less than I want to but making the most of it. I have a provider who does specialized massage therapy combined with somatic work, and acupuncture has been an amazing low-impact way to poke into my fascial tissue and get it to chill the fuck out a bit. PTSD work and psilocybin have also been really helpful. I needed a muscle relaxer in the early days but am glad my doc stopped prescribing it after a few months. definitely getting back to feeling more normal though I suspect it won’t ever fully go away. but I’m happy to have been forced into building up this much awareness of how my body works.
Intense training program, in the blind
They take away all medication, including pain medication
Intentionally and empathetically ignore your symptoms and tell you to just go with it, as if it was how we treat mental patients
Intentionally will not fix the underlying causes
“World class” “doctors” and behavioural theorists
So basically, they torture you until you accept the pain and just take it, rather than seeking out an actual solution?
Wow, that defintively would inspire me to kill a health CEO. Or, in this case, a health theorist.
It may seem like that is the case for a bit, and often does to many patients. Myself included.
Keep in mind the target population is patients who are centralized sensitization patients. There are alpha channels of nerves that through real physical injury have created a feedback loop in the nervous system with the brain.
In these patients, who do have very real injuries, the pain levels are outside expectations for the things we can test, scan, see on imaging etc.
The mechanism is complex but essentially you can think of it as the nerve bundles of specific types are far more sensitive to stimuli and the brain becomes far more sensitive to signals received.
Breaking this feedback loop, which is often fed by avoidance of things, is important.
As for data, they have published papers in many journals with more than 20,000 patients who have been through the clinic showing progress improvement. Reductions in standard assessments for depression, improved mobility and exercise function, as well as removed reliance on medications / the polypharmacy causing underlying greater symptoms is proven in their large data set.
A lot of the mental model that has real impacts to physical symptoms revolves around breaking previously unrealized classic and operant conditioning that patients with this chronic pain sensitization often have present.
To correct and see the clear picture without clouding it, medications must be removed from the picture as polypharmacy issues can create a mess of problems that seem like they are bodily in origin but are in fact from the medication interactions.
It is a program vetted by the chronic pain treatment community for over 20 years, and the data is well reviewed, with every hour of the time a patient spends there carefully considered and measured for efficacy.
The program gets referral from many physicians in various other disciplines within and outside their hospital system for patients that meet their criteria.
To be clear, this is not a fly by night theory. It’s one of the best hospitals in the world with a program of pharmacists, doctors, PTs, nurses and supporting specialists who all meet daily per patient and make individual care plans. You seem them daily for hours a day. They monitor blood work and vitals as well as metabolic data as they taper medications. It’s deeply unpleasant but designed very intentionally to help. It does help.
Anecdotally, a patient story:
They came into the program malnourished, on a feeding tube, intense abdominal pain, GI bleeding, and on significant opiates to tackle pain levels from the GI issues.
On discharge, the patient had no expressed pain, was back to eating normally without the feeding tube, and was regaining weight . GI bleeding stopped.
6 months later they went back on pain medication from a pain physician and were right back in the ER with the same symptoms. Following the program’s instructions the same reversal took place again!
The power of the operant conditioning from taking medications when feeling symptoms is a powerful one that impacts the baseline arousal states of the parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system. These impact all sorts of bodily processes which seem counter intuitive to apply to physical real problems, but the results speak volumes.
Everyone arrives a skeptic. I left seeing benefit in my life as a patient who these things apply to. I am not uneducated, I have created software to run clinical cancer trials for years. Yet even with that formal intellectual background I was missing things that had impact to my health condition. The average patient has less exposure to these things, and I spent 10 years seeking help for the pain before this from many physicians. Many things were tried. So all of that experience and exposure to alternative therapies and modalities to this one was brought in with skeptical critical analysis of their methods.
There is an element of trust required, and it is HARD, but the easy path of medicate or cut it out is often not the solution with patients like us. Since pain is very much a central nervous system process, treating as such makes sense.
writes a Goodreads review on Ted K
Oooooooooh boy. Slippery slope!
He was activated as a sleeper agent by the [redacted]
Base on what I’ve read about this kid: I probably wouldn’t like him as a person. I probably wouldn’t agree with a lot of the things he believes, and I’d probably vehemently oppose a lot of it. I don’t think he’s a genius – in fact I think he’s probably a similar to the edgy, dumb kid I was at that age.
Sometimes “good” people do bad things, and sometimes “bad” people do good things: real people aren’t one dimensional caricatures.
I don’t get it
Don’t worry. It’s stupid.
Most ancaps/right-libertarians are often just right-authoritarians that like drugs, addicted to loli-hentai (although this one is falling out of fashion due to “nofap” reasons), weirdly “free speech extremists”, etc. Exceptions may apply.
I think labeling is so fucking stupid. Like I get that it’s easier to shove a label on people and yourself, but we’re seriously assigning an entire fucking socio-political economic identity to this kid from like 2 Goodreads reviews and a few Facebook posts?
Gimme a fucking break
Yellow/Black is the flag of anarcho-capitalism.
oh
haha
The libertarian flag is yellow and black. The anarchist flag is black and red.
The implication is that a libertarian only looks like an anarchist by proximity. As soon as they’re left to their own devices, they’re revealed to be Christian Nationalists (the black symbol on white robes is used by the Klan.)
What about the red armband?
Very badly rendered swastika flag. You can kinda sorta see the black pixels at the center making up the crooked cross.
That comic is so crusty that im surprised you can still see the red arm band.
I thought black and gold was the ancap flag, not libertarian.
It’s the same picture
thank you
Ted K. Based
It just shows anyone can do the right thing
CIA /s
they need the killer to not get away with it, so they created a scapegoat. they picked an affluent white guy because the system is more lenient on them. they approach him, offer him and his family money, tell him he’ll have to spend a few years in jail, take the fall for the murder, and promise that he’ll be out soon, private cell, lenient judge, all that. that way the public thinks that it’s not possible to get away with revolt.
his family doesn’t seem that desperate for money
are you incapable of imagining a rich family that can’t be bribed, blackmailed, threatened or coerced? please call your educational facility and request a refund, assuming you paid any money for your education. 👋
damn, trolls on Lemmy? Since when
trolling is a deliberate attempt to make someone angry by “trolling” for their response.
a) I’m sorry you got angry. Maybe talk to a professional about it? b) I’m not looking for responses. you came to me, remember? c) If everything that upsets you is “trolling” then you’re fragile and self-centered. Honey it’s not always about you. We’re not looking for your responses, we’re looking for you to be quiet and listen.
Have a day.
Yeah, his family was really desperate for the money and it was worth destroying his life over.
Fucking what are you smoking?
Why are you angry about the suggestion? Let’s get to the bottom of this. Tell me why you’re personally invested in the idea that a family could be bribed into putting one of their kids in prison.
I’m not angry, I’m just not sure why you’d entertain such a thought. He comes from a wealthy family; the theory kinda dies there.
You said you had been trolled, that’s why :) Have a day. 👋
“I said something really stupid. Just kidding, I was trolling! Get trolled everyone!!!” -@[email protected]
Trolling suggests that I wanted you to respond. I don’t. If you suspect you’re being trolled, you should move on, no one is forcing you to participate in the discussion. Go be angry somewhere else.
Then I’m not really sure what you meant by your previous response? In what way did I say I had been trolled? Why do you keep calling me angry? Because I said “fucking” once? I’ve literally just been trying to have a conversation with you, but was certainly thrown off by your previous response.
Maybe it was aliens.
Prove it wasn’t
Why? There’s no value in your suggestion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot
Maybe you’re right. Who knows.
great speculation! :)
Not OP, but probably just tired of hearing the “what if” scenarios without proof. Just the idea you think the government can be such a well oiled machine that they found a fall guy and a family to go along with this within a week is funny. We don’t function that well. That’s why we have people shooting health insurance CEOs in the street.
All the what if’s remind me of gish gallop, so I don’t like that part too. That just might be me though.
I seen so many of these and I really don’t understand. Like if there is a secret cabal powerful enough to organize this and keep this a secret. The resources to find this random dude, approach him and make these offers and STILL have no one speak out about it. Couldn’t they just find the guy? Like are they really so desperate to attempt this after not finding him for 3 days? Also if they are scared this is going to happen again because copycats are they really powerful enough to organize these cover ups? Feels like Schrodinger’s oligarchy cabal, powerful enough to frame and cover anything up but not powerful enough to keep themselves from getting shot in the street.
I am not on CEO side, I am shedding no tears but the whole scapegoat thing is just delusional.
The catholic church covers up and shields priests who are guilty of sex crimes against children.
The CIA abducted and tortured US citizens in MKUltra.
There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Just because you’re too stupid to imagine it doesn’t mean it’s not real. Have a day.
Just feels like this slips into QAnon territory where people convinced the democrats were abusing kids in a pizzeria basement. People laugh about that being so unbelievable and baseless, but now that it happens to a psudo folk hero everyone is like “the facts are right there in front of you”.
The goverment does plenty of shady shit, but you are talking like a John Wick esk “The Contental” or “The High Table” kinda thing. Is it really so hard to believe that guy did it and got caught?
People knew about the Roman Catholic Church stuff long before the stories actually came out. In Northern Ireland it was a common thing that people talked about in Protestant families about what the Papists were up to, and they ended up being correct.
And just because you can imagine it doesn’t make it true.
No, the measurable, repeatable and well-documented facts make it true. See my comment above for a place to start your research; I’d recommend reputable online sources.
My point is that just because it sounds like a conspiracy doesn’t mean it’s “just delusional”.
No one is saying that. Obviously there are conspiracies. But that doesn’t give anyone the right to make one up out of no where and then expect people to believe it without any proof.
If you have evidence people will listen.
Is chilling how thenwhole internet is fed up a story of a man before his sentence. If this guy is innocent his whole life is already exposed forever just for memes and a penny. We are the big brother and we suck.
The “we did it reddit!” phrase comes from redditors trying to track down the boston bombing. Redditors found a guy they strongly suspected, then found personal info on them and began harrassing him, including death threats.
Imagine being that person accused! One day just living life, the next experiencing a horrible bombing, the next being tracked down by a misguided internet randos on a manhunt.
This is why having some basic privacy is important before you need it
I’m sorry, but just one detail from what I’m seeing on the linked article - “that person” committed suicide a month before any of that went down. I don’t think it invalidates the point, even though being alive and present to be interrogated might’ve changed things, but it comes off comical when talking about how horrible the experience must’ve been.
You’re right! I should have said “those people accused” because there were multiple suspects. The one I linked was the most prominent of them. Sorry!
Still horrible for his family…
it wasnt the internet that exposed him to the media, it was the police and feds who sold him out to the media. There is no “we did it” here. “They” did it.
Fair, this situation is different in a lot of ways
im big skeptical of the photos and videos they’ve been circulating. everything ab6this investigation is sus.
Yeah the real guy is gone, the cops are finding someone to blame it on because they are afraid of continuing to totally fumble the bag.
Luigi just now said the NYPD planted evidence.
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