Dated: 2024-12-05. Added: 2024-12-05. Alternate title: “After UnitedHealthcare CEO’s Killing, Americans Express Frustration With Health Insurance Industry”.
C’mon man, the hate was obviously there before the killing, it’s just that it took a murder to get the hacks at the NYT to cover it.
That’s not true.
I hated the insurance companies yesterday, but I wasn’t posting about actually killing anyone.
People have been talking about guillotines in the abstract. Now they are talking about it in concrete terms.
Ex US attorney Preet Bharara says that an important boundary is when a fantasy “graduates”, going from protected free speech to credible threat.
It seem socials are very clear on this line… it aint a crime to cheer.
Also, this has been so effective that media is unable to provide a coherent rebuttal within the oligarch framework. This guy was not an owner but he was a topish officer within their system responsible for a division within a strategic sector. They need this guy to be a martyr but public rejected that narrative and just meme the death with some heavy social commentary on the current conditions within health industry and broader economy.
Unless you’re in that one news sub; then it’s bannable.
Well, a lot of mods just journalist in the news sub. So this is classic, check who you can’t criticize test.
They won’t permit you to provide any counter narrative.
Which is very elastic.
Think of it this way; no one is threatened by the sight of Al Yankovic coming down the street in a tank. People run for cover when Joe Pesci walks into a store and asks how much for a chainsaw.
Thought crimes don’t exist. One has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the thought crimer is taking actions to carry out real crimes.
No way to tell why the working class would feel this way.
Just no way to know what compells normal citizens to thrist for blood.
Yeah not like they’ve been telling you for decades or anything…
One thing I’ve learned is that abusers don’t see themselves as abusers.
They’re “Doing what is necessary”, the abuse “hurts them more than it hurts you”.
They can’t hear your cries, your pleas fall on hearts of stone.
And most of all they absolutely cannot understand why you are still upset about it.
There was a time when I had a pickaxe in my hands and my abusive stepdad turned his back to me. For a moment I knew I could murder him, I could bury that pickaxe in his skull and he couldn’t stop me.
I felt at that moment that nothing that would happen to me as a consequence of doing that would be worse than the abuse I was going through at that time.
I don’t know what stopped me. I had to live with the abuse for another full year after that moment.
To this day, my mom has no idea how close I came to becoming a murderer.
If you knew me, the idea of me wanting to pop a man’s head like a rotten coconut would seem cartoonish and comical.
But I was close.
If I knew I was dying and I met the man responsible for it, I could cross that line.
I’ve been close before.
Maybe you but I am serious when I say we should start guillotining billionaires.
Read up on what happened in France after the guillotines… Maybe not the best idea to repeat that error.
Here’s the thing. The French and Russian governments were unprepared for massive civil unrest.
Here in America we have companies like Blackwater [or whatever they are calling themselves this week] Staffed by ex-CIA hotshots with access to a massive data base and lots and lots of money.
I’d bet anything that they are already planning to capitalize onthis attack.
This whole story-arc gives first move advantage to the opposition, the oligarchs are being forced to react instead of execute plans as they wish
No.
This is a blip on the radar. Gamestop didn’t destroy the stock markets and this isn’t going to do anything but get people riled up.
9/11/2001 gave us the Patriot Act. You can bet that Trump will push through a law letting any CEOs body guards shoot at will.
This is just the first.
Some of us have nothing left to lose. Fuck the private military contractors. Guns and drones are the great equalizer. They’ve waged war on us for decades it’s about time we fight back.
I’d bet anything that they are already planning to capitalize on this attack.
My guess is they’re currently consulting their legal teams and politicians, trying to figure out how to get the public to pay for their own private Secret Service for corporate executives.
I have another comment in this thread. I said that 9/11 gave us the Patriot Act and that this attack will probably lead to something worse.
Right. The legal teams employed by these bastards are the ones who write our laws, our legislators just sign them.
Which is why people need to vote in every election.
AOC and Omar didn’t magically appear. They did old fashioned political work.
I wonder how many deaths that ceo is responsible for…
NYT CEO? Well they did cheerlead the Iraq war, reported lies that led to the war without question like a fucking press release and slandered anyone who dare speak against it. How many Iraqis died? 200k?
No more than the politicians who won’t pass single payer health care reform.
And the only reason we even have the ACA is because the Dems had a filibuster proof majority for a handful of weeks, over a decade ago.
Jesus fuck it’s been almost a decade since Obama…
I live under a rock; what is “single payer”?
Single payer is a term generally used to describe government-paid, or socialized medicine. The government is the “payer” of the healthcare. In the absence of private-insurance companies, they would be the single payer. At least that’s how I think of the term.
Come on now. You can’t honestly expect a poor innocent billionaire who’s only goal in life was to line his pockets and the pockets of the people he was responsible for with every single penny they could possibly extort out of the poverty stricken and miserable people that rely on their services for life-saving medicine to actually be responsible for the people that died relying on them for their services right?
That would imply that there’s some sort of moral obligation for service providers to provide the services that they agreed to provide to the people that are paying them for said services, or that when a company whose entire point of existence is providing healthcare services to the people that need them does not provide those services when they are needed that the company is responsible for the misery and pain and deaths that result as a lack of providing those services and that the CEO who is the leader of that company has all of those hundreds of thousands of gallons of blood on his hands.
That would also imply that people getting fed up and retaliating against these billionaires are actually justifiable heroes rather than depraved bloodthirsty savages only seeking to destroy the American way of life.
That’s crazy talk!
Come on now! If you read the article (/s), you’d know that he was one of the good guys who wanted to change the system.
Messages that law enforcement officials say were found on bullet casings at the scene of the shooting in front of a Midtown hotel — “delay” and “deny”
That’s next level
Pretty sure it’s a reference to this book.
It would be so funny if there was a joke in the book like, “It’s not like you can shoot your problem away!”
Thanks, I was wondering what the reference was.
No mention of “depose” huh…
NYT is neo liberal rag that will protect neo liberal agenda?
No way!
Look at who the USAmerican people voted for despite all their hate for the health insurance industry: a bunch of crooks that make the industry profitable on the backs of their voters.
People can’t help themselves but vote against their interests.
A crook who coincidentally said he could shoot somebody on the streets of manhattan and get away with it.
Now we know who killed the CEO!
That describes both parties. There’s a reason none of the dems are taking advantage of this moment to show the overwhelming majority that they want the same things.
~20% of eligible voters voted for this.
More people didn’t vote than voted for either candidate.
~150M voted with a 2M difference ~90M didn’t vote
I’ll bet the vote count that actually matters is more like <10% of the country.
just as neglecting to make a decision is still a decision, neglecting to vote is still a vote.
It’s a blatant statement that they don’t consider either candidate to be a legitimate choice.
You’re ignoring the many people who have been disenfranchised, their registration purged from the rolls at the last second, votes thrown out, intentionally giving certain areas only one voting location for many many people. There’s tons of reasons why someone might not vote that are out of their control.
Obviously those people wouldn’t fall under “neglecting to vote”, now would they?
Exactly
You’re saying that as if 90M had a legitimate reason not to vote.
Have you seen the state of American society? In case you didn’t hear it has got so bad we’ve got vigilantes killing CEOs
2nd highest voter turnout in US history, stop claiming nobody voted for it.
Just like upgrading from eating scaps to eating fastfood, better doesn’t mean good.
Both candidates were pro-institution. Let go of the delusion that Harris was somehow a champion of the people. She is the system. The only reason she got the amount of votes she did is because she was the only viable non-trump vote possible. The DNC tried to force another neo-liberal on us, and the people stayed home.
A national response of apathy over the cold-blooded murder of a corporate medical business leader may be a reason to take a closer look at our corporate medical system.
Things will change for sure.
First, they might wear body armor now. Next, they might rethink walking the streets alone, and instead have bodyguards.
Since those cost money, everyone’s benefits will be cut and they’ll have to raise rates all across the board!
First, they might wear body armor now.
Put at least one in the head to be sure.
You’re making the assumption that they haven’t already jacked the rates up to the max the market will support
I don’t think apathy is what you would call it
Good point. Corrected.
cold blooded murderself defense
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Not enough really…
The killer apparently used a fake id at the hostile he stayed at, and as well intentionally dropped a burner phone in the alley as he left the scene of the crime
It’s only the beginning.
This assassin has created more solidarity over working class issues then the Democrats could, even with 1.5 billion dollars. Fascinating
By assassin you mean the one who got the bullets, right?
Assassination implies a targeted strike.
Systematic Mass killers are not assassins.
The assassin is the one who did the shooting. The one who got shot is the mass-murderer
No, he didn’t assassinate anyone, just caused them to die. He would have had to know who they were and cared enough to specifically target them for it to be assassinations.
‘Ezio has entered the chat’
Millions of Americans have trained to do this.
The training was abhorrently bad, very easy, completely unrealistic and provided no real skills.
But they have trained.
If these CEOs couldn’t walk down the street without some moron in an assassin creed costume showing up. I would be so happy. They don’t need to actually get harmed but they should live in a state of constant paranoia. It’s the least they deserve.
They don’t need to actually get harmed
As long as they continue to perpetuate suffering, yes, they do.
Oh, I certainly wouldn’t cry about it. I’m just willing to settle for them living in fear.
Sounds like we’ve found what the Democrats should add to their playbook.
Who wants to go first?
biden should pardon him; whats one more pardon for a criminal with a gun after the first one?
It won’t happen but that’d be such a fucking what the entire establishment would melt.
I’d pardon him for the lols, at Bidens age you gotta live a little.
Plain old murder is a state crime. The governor of New York would have to pardon him.
its also a federal crime. both would.
Nope, it would be only if it happens on federal territory, like Washington DC, national parks, etc.
think you’re confusing federal prosecution with federal crimes. I assure you the gunman definitely violated multiple federal laws during the shooting for which biden could pardon him. now stfu and enjoy the joke and stop analyzing everything to death. you’re no fun at parties im sure.
Pretty sure once he crosses state lines it’s federal. I could be mistaken though.
I’m pointing it out because shit like this is why Trump got elected. People keep expecting the Democrats do things they don’t have the ability to do because they don’t understand how the government works.
The hate for our abusive and predatory “healthcare” system has been omnipresent for a very long time. This just gave us all a shared focal point to collect around. I hope this keeps building steam. This one act could lead to collective actions to make these companies scared. These CEOs, politicians, and billionaires NEED to know they are not untouchable. I supported a girlfriend through terminal cancer and saw how “selective” insurance companies can be on what diagnostics and treatments they’ll allow. That shit radicalized me permanently.
Most of the media seems committed to ensuring that this focus on abusive health insurance companies evaporates as soon as possible.
Ahh. The good old at&t tag line, “Reach out and touch someone” comes to mind.
“Object embedding tool”
These CEOs, politicians, and billionaires NEED to know they are not untouchable
My guess is that this catalyst will do nothing except cause them to make sure they’re untouchable, and will probably figure out a way to use taxpayer money to do it.
About seven chief executives of publicly traded companies die each year, he said
This article is a goddamned joke. The poor chief executives! What in the fuck is this.
If you’re going to quote that you should quote the rest of it:
but almost always from health complications or accidents. A targeted attack could have much larger implications.
They’re not begging for sympathy, they go on to talk about the effect this act will have on the health insurance companies, which is what we all want to see.
The rest of it doesn’t change anything.
It does though.
They’re used to CEOs dying. They’re not used to CEOs being murdered because of the actions of their companies.
they go on to talk about the effect this act will have on the health insurance companies
They’ll beef up their security and continue with their horrific practices. No greedy bastards will change anything that affects their bottom line.
I think you’re right. I was imagining what a meeting of executives would be like in the wake of this, and I can just see them continuing to follow the almighty dollar, because that is the one true incentive that all others lead to. Anybody who proposed taking a hit to revenue to be more moral would be fired by the board.
They signaling to shareholders that this happens all the time, online drama does not matter.
Haha that’s what I took away too!
Like, “I know we’re all worried. But I promise, we’ll have a new CEO in a few days and nobody is going to lose money.”
I did not read NYT article but I bet that’s the msg’ing to their core audience here while proletariat is doing a circle jerk, well deserved though. They rarely get a W.
Does the NYT think this was attempt to bring down the company. Are they stupid?
NYT got paid to run PR for the corpo. They need to project that they are in control. One dead officer doesn’t change anything from money making perspective
Nyr is writing what they were told to write herr
Good thing they announced this to the world, lol. Like we care. I know investors “care” and would hate for it to actually bring down the company but Jesus, forest through the trees.
It is unclear what motivated the incident or whether it was tied to Mr. Thompson’s work in the insurance industry.
This is a joke right? Is the Times being sarcastic?
The dude inscribed his motivation on the freaking bullet casings. I mean, come on!
It’s interesting seeing all the different ways every article about this walks around the obvious. The news corps are really showing thier biases this year.
They do a little trolling
If governments should be afraid of their people, and we’re governed by oligarchs, then the oligarchs should be afraid of the people.
QED
Got no hate. Just zero sympathy. Live life at the expense of others, but don’t be surprised if they fail to care for you in return.
This guys roughly as popular as Bernie Sanders was in 2015 and the NY Times somehow can’t connect the dots.
The revolution will not be televised.
They are paid not to connect the dots
