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FBI searching for the killer: United Healthcare denied 2.8M insurance claims in the last year and most of those people have families, so it looks like we have around 10M suspects.
From this year.
Thoughts and prayers to the victims of the victim.
Are you a Republican politician?
Love the name
Now his life insurance should consider pre existing condition of being a shitbag CEO to deny it.
lol the irony would be MASSIVE
It’s a start
Propaganda of the Deed is coming back baby
Not guilty.
Jury nullification
I didn’t even know who this guy was until a few hours ago, but holy shit I am glad he got what was coming to him, and I hope the shooter never gets caught and lives a long and prosperous (and most importantly, free) life.
Jury nullification exists for this very reason.
Did the shooter do something illegal? Yes
But was it wrong? If I was on his jury, I’d acquit.
If I was the defense attorney, I think this would be the test case for instructing the jury on jury nullification (which will get you sanctioned at a minimum and probably disbarred if you’re the attorney that tries it). I think defendants ought to be entitled to instruct the jury about the possibility. I personally would never disclose that I believe in it during voir dire and also would never vote to convict on some crimes.
Historically it’s been used to forgive lynchings, so I’d be concerned that allowing jury instruction on it would cause more harm than good in this political climate.
Do you guys still do lynchings?
I hope his list is just as long.
1% death squad Santa.
He’s making a list.
and checking it twice.
I hate that I hope the same thing.
Eh, treat yourself. It’s the Holidays.
*Click clack
You’ve been very naughty this year haven’t you, Brian?
Dececmber? Is that before or after Smarch?
I don’t know, maybe we should ask the author, Phil Mckraken.
Bthoth, due to the cycylic nature of the caclendadar.
Proceeds to play the worlds smallest violin.
Here, you can borrow mine
After being denied … everyone else’s premiums increased by 20%
Thoughts and prayers are considered “out of network” on this one my dude
Thots 'n pears
If you’re gonna use thots in your comment, might as well go with players.
Thots 'n Players
Funny how even though I have had many fights with health insurance companies I never wished for the death of another human being
Not having sympathy for the death of another/Saying karma but them in the ass != Wishing for another’s dearh
Why not tell that to the News mods who took down my comment that simply said “and nothing of value was lost” and claimed that was celebrating and promoting violence and a violation of the Terms of Service of lemmy.world.
Turns out mainstream journalism, news agencies, and even forums that deliver “the news” are actually there to force a particular cultural interpretation of the news whilst preventing others. We can see this in the sane washing of Trump.
It’s another aspect of cultural Class Warfare - The Frankfurt School pointed it out in this essay. They called it “The Culture Industry”, and Marcuse said it was an inescapable part of the reproduction of culture in the age of “mechanical reproduction”… Which is what Marcuse’ book “One Dimensional Man” is about.
Of course the millionaires and billionaires who fund the news and social media don’t want anyone seeing a certain kind of justice in the death of one of their own. Even if it’s really a byproduct of a system (techno feudalism) that really offers no other pathway to justice.
Yeah, the mods over there are killing like half the comments. I looked through the modlog, and most of the deleted comments are pretty tame. The mods over there are sucking right now.
Meh, there’s worse mods out there. I’m sure it’s an overwhelming thread and they’re just slamming the brakes on everything to try to keep it under control. Probably like a thousand user reports already or something.
Do innocuous comments get caught in the crossfire? Yeah, oh well. I didn’t add anything particularly important to the conversation anyway.
You’ve never wished for the death of serial killers? Rapists? Pedophiles? Dictators? Animal abusers? The odd mime?
Somehow, I don’t believe you. But, on the off chance that you’re telling the truth… this is for you:
can i get an award too please
Sure thing, buddy. Here you go:
thank you
I love this for you!
I never wished for the death of another human being
Neat. I’ll bet Brian didn’t either.
The policies under his leadership caused the deaths of many human beings, and prolonged the suffering of many more. Not because he hated them or wished them death, he’d have to care enough to know their names first, but because denying their valid claims on buried technicalities as a matter of policy made him and his profiteer shareholders moar profit.
Capitalists don’t kill out of hate, their victims are just nameless speed bumps to glorious profit. They kill with a shrug, in volume.
That last bit is the truth. I grew up in a wealthy family and saw it from the inside before becoming the radical leftist I am today. Rich people don’t hate you—they literally don’t think about you at all. You are so far removed from their reality that when your complaints occasionally reach their ears, they assume you must be lying. They fundamentally can’t accept that their lifestyle and the way they wield power has consequences for other people.
That’s why people say “why is this happening” on the way to the guillotine.
I grew up in a trailer under a freeway.
I only say that to provide context to say THANK YOU, sincerely, for doing what maybe one in a thousand born into your situation do. Reflect on your situation earnestly, recognizing the atrocity of it, rejecting the siren’s call of ignoring that reality for the sake of blissfully ignorant greed and glut and decadence, and ultimately rejecting accepting complicity in and propagation of it.
That is no small feat.
To summarize my life, I say that I went to the White House, a crack house, and a nudist tree house in my first 21 years. I’ve had 3 near death experiences, the first in a private jet, the second with a gun to my head, and the third from taking bad ecstasy. I do my best to use that perspective for good, even though it can be really hard to reconcile such diverse experiences into a working personality.
No need to thank me, once I saw what reality was, the choice was easy. I always know what side of the line I will stand on.
I think callus indifference is apropos
I used to be that way, but post the first Trump administration, I’ve learned that you can’t suffer some witches to live.
But those who think that they are virtuous have no problem celebrating this guy being killed calling it karma. And this comment will be totally downvoted because how dare someone point out their hypocrisy.
“Virtue” is a relative thing. What is virtuous to one person might not be virtuous to another. You, for example, seem to believe that celebrating the death of someone is unvirtuous, even if that person was a monster. This is pure speculation on my part, but I’m also guessing that you hold the belief that nobody deserves to die.
These beliefs are not universal. While you would be a hypocrite for violating your own strongly held beliefs, it would not be accurate to apply that label to someone who doesn’t hold those beliefs. For example, I believe that death is the worst punishment you can give to a person. I also believe that some people absolutely deserve it. I would not find it virtuous to falsely pretend otherwise. I have no moral qualms with celebrating the death of someone who I think deserves it. Similarly, I have no qualms about celebrating good things that happen to a person who I think deserves them. In both cases, I consider those things to be the universe working out as it should.
Not the OP, but I appreciate your ethical explanation.
I agree partially with you. I don’t have a moral issue with the killing of individuals who have engaged in particularly heinous acts: murder, rape, torture, extreme child and spousal abuse, white collar negligence/willfully allowing death to occur through inaction for pay, etc.
I just don’t trust the US or the states to ethically carry out executions, especially given their track record of executing innocent or low IQ individuals. So I’m anti death penalty. Life is cheaper than execution anyhow.
That being said, I don’t have a problem with certain kinds of vigilante justice or vengeance either. Especially vengeance for a loved one. FWIW, I’m not seeking vengeance, but I absolutely get it. Jury nullficaton should always be a right.
Anyhow, the news isn’t in, but I’m rooting for an ethical vengeance situation. He killed a fucking vampire, I hope he’s a hero with respectable views. Even more, I hope they never catch him. Either way the fucker is dead, and good riddance. I hope the other CEOs squirm, they need to either get right or go to prison.
We should be having this discussion in News.
Well, unfortunately the guy used an e-bike with GPS tracking on it as his getaway vehicle, so I very much doubt he’s going to get away with it. But yes - I agree with you on the death penalty. Shit gets complicated when the state gets involved.
Depends how far he took the tracked bike. If this was well planned, it would have been to somewhere with no cameras, and a his own bike waiting for him.
If it was really well planned, there was also a burn barrel and some gasoline there, and every visible piece of clothing from the video, including the backpack, no longer exist
And who are you that we should give any shits about your call-out?
Well aren’t you pious
I’m ready to go out and celebrate with some drinks over this fucking asshole getting what he deserved. How many millions have him and his ilk killed by denying them healthcare?
Fuck him and fuck all his bootlickers.
The small number of comments like yours with extreme downvote counts against the absolute deluge of celebratory posts has me feeling pretty fucked about the entire Lemmy community. I understand people’s poor opinions of the health insurance industry, but this mass endorsement of murdering their executives is not a good turn for this community.
It doesn’t even serve our causes. It doesn’t get us any closer to universal healthcare, or price caps on lifesaving care, or healthcare ethics reforms, or any of the other things that actually need to happen.
With a second Trump term starting next month, if the accelerationist lunatics begging for more dead CEOs gets their way, you’re going to see some of the most horrific state violence imaginable as our new fascist kakistocracy zeros in on their “enemy within” boogyman.
On the note of actually giving a shit about healthcare outcomes, nobody on Lemmy seems to be organizing against the status quo. There are no communities here about unfair health insurance decisions, and medical bankruptcy. Generally speaking, Lemmy has a progressive view on healthcare, but very little interest in organizing about it materially.
But when a CEO gets murdered, the Tankies come out en masse to tell us that shooting and killing a father of 2 is actually heroism or something.
It’s just pure violent hatred, and while I understand where people’s anger comes from, I don’t think I’m going to stick around this place much longer if this kind of rhetoric is going to be treated as normal. If this is how the general userbase of Lemmy actually thinks, I’ll show myself the door and find people who aren’t pieces of shit.
Just wanted you to know, despite the downvotes you’re getting, you are completely fucking right and everyone else who has decided that this is the time to cause a scene can hopefully get banned.
boo hoo, the guy that set policies that killed their own customers when they became inconvenient to their bottom line, solely to increase their private profit, had 2 kids. Those kids will still go to fancy private schools and be materially fine, arguably with one less antisocial influence.
How many parents of kids without trust funds did he kill with United Healthcare’s policies designed to deny necessary care solely to boost private profits?
We don’t even get to vote on this being allowed, the last President that promised to fix this system intituted a plan that instead of removing the profit motive from Healthcare doubled down and further enshrined insurer middlemen predators like United Healthcare.
I know people like you. People that believe if we just play by the rules, protest in designated protest zones pathetically outside the eyeline and profit operations of those being protested, vote for either of our bought and paid for parties that defend this economy from the society it perversely controls, then a just world will just emerge. It won’t. Not unless we fight for it. And I’m not using fight as a metaphor, because those that seek power over the masses never surrender their power by anything but force or the real threat thereof.
But maybe we should just exercise more temperance as you say, let them completely destroy Earth’s climate for humans first while we ask them really nicely not to. Wow.
Oh, also, bye. Maybe reddit would be a good fit for you.
But when a CEO gets murdered, the Tankies come out en masse to tell us that shooting and killing a father of 2 is actually heroism or something.
This is just delusional. It is by no means only “tankies.” The American public by and large hates and is constantly humiliated by the health insurance industry.
And being a parent has no bearing on it whatsoever. That’s just you trying (and failing) to be emotionally manipulative.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out
Celebrating someone death does not mean you cant be virtuous. Even killing someone can be considered virtuous in many different cases. Killing out of mercy, to protect others, or to change things for the better can be considered virtuous in many way. Revenge, jealousy and hatred are bad, but a murder comitted over revenge doesnt mean it cannot be celebrated as an opportunity for change or awareness… Victim murder may be wrong even if he was a shitstain for the society, but from his murder maybe good things may happen, maybe its successor may think twice on deciding on the balance between profit and client wellness…
Terror or not, the Jacobins did nothing wrong and the French Revolution was the right thing to do. (Offlaga Disco Pax, Robespierre)
Can’t remember the last time that a headline about someone being shot and killed brought a smile to my face, but here we are. Brian Thompson deserves no sympathy.
Comment’s still up after an hour, yup, looks like the mods here are pretty good. I like this place. Over in /c/news the modlog is insane, looks like it’d be easier to just remove themselves from the Fediverse rather than try and remove all the comments that might hint at “celebrating violence”.
Id like to formally propose [email protected] as the new /c/news lmao
Oddly enough, this is an example of when satire becomes the safest place for discourse. I’m all for it, lol!
The thing is that none of us celebrate violence and certainly not murder, but when this is the closest thing to justice that we get for people like him?
Everyone celebrates violence. The right sure as Baator does, what with the existence of prisons and their support for the death penalty. Liberals do, because capitalism is violence. We should as well.
Hopefully it stays that way! Most communities here seem to have a fucked up version of moderation where going “I’m glad Hitler is dead” yields a ban for celebrating violence lol
That is reddit, and it’s only for billionaires and fascists. If you cheer at the murder of a leftist or anti-zionist reporter they might give you gold.
I thought they did away with Reddit Gold.
The free stuff they gave on occassion, yes. But you can still buy gold.
He suicided, so it doesn’t count as violence
Personally I’m glad Hitler is dead but I don’t approve of the person who shot him.
My congratulations to Walther for their fine engineering.
Yeah I hear he’s a bit problematic. Dated his cousin or something.
I made almost verbatim this same comment in c/news and mods deleted it, instance level tos violation.
EDIT: Oh, interesting, looks like my 24 ban to all of world got lifted, after I made a thread elsewhere showcasing myself and a bunch of others getting their comments deleted and temp banned.
Guess lemmy.world uses the old school twitter / twitch approach to moderation.
You can get instance wide ban? How have I not gotten one yet I’ve been really pissing off the libs since they lost the US election by being insufferable
(Coming from the left)
I’ve been really pissing off the libs since they lost the US election by being insufferable
(Coming from the left)
🫠
Yeah, I got an instance wide, 24 hr temp ban…
Made a thread in yepowertrippinbastards on db0’s anarchist instance, a community that exists to report on silly mod activity, and within about one or two ish hours, after a good bit of discussion, including at least a few mods for various .world communities, and possibly a .world admin?
… 24 temp ban removed, or shortened to 2hrs or whatever.
How have you not gotten one?
My guess would be ‘post insane shit, mods/admins are sleeping’.
(For anyone interested, i am summarizing a good deal here, a lot more people than myself got temp banned and comments deleted, i did actually say something ‘more extreme’ in a seperate comment, but the point of me complaining was that the mods were going wild, check the mod log or db0 for more context)
Drag was banned from yepowertrippinbastards for making transphobes angry.
Drag, I was in that thread.
I had to basically do lingustic analysis on the last few weeks or so of your comment history to figure out was going on.
You got a bunch of hostile responses, and apparently banned, not because you are trans and people are intolerant of that, but because you insist upon your own custom personal pronouns which are extremely grammarically confusing to anyone who is not you or someone that already knows you quite well.
It took me a significant amount of effort to figure out how your way of communicating works, and after I figured this out, it became apparent that from your point of view, everyone was saying you said things that you did not say, but from a conventional english speaker’s point of view, you can easily be interpreted as having actually said those things, and then you would deny having said them.
I put in this amount of effort because people were claiming you were doing a bit or intentionally trolling people, and I wanted to actually analyze that claim, and ended up attempting to describe and explain your essentially unique way of speaking, in hopes of at least defending you from accusations of being a troll.
You didn’t need to do all that work. You could have just clicked on drag’s profile. It says drag uses person-independent drag/dragself pronouns. You could have looked at drag’s post history and seen posts about drag’s gender. You decided to reinvent the wheel.
The grammatical problem with this is that the ‘pronoun’ they are using is their own nickname.
And you messed up. Drag isn’t drag’s nickname. Baator, the post you were replying to was about drag having comments removed that said drag isn’t a nickname.
Your analysis didn’t add to the discussion because you were two steps behind everybody who either read drag’s bio or read the post. And that’s the thing about understanding us queer people. If you want to understand us, then listen to us. Ask questions if the answers aren’t obvious to you. You don’t explain your own assumptions to other people as if they’re authoritative information. That’s just causing more problems for queer people.
If you had clicked on drag’s profile, you would have seen posts about drag’s gender on Blahaj Zone and lemmy.ca, where people asked questions and drag answered. Those people have it figured out. They know how to listen to queer people. Why doesn’t everyone?
You could have looked at drag’s post history and seen posts about drag’s gender. You decided to reinvent the wheel.
Thats what I did Drag, that’s what I said I did.
I did linguistic analysis by reading your profile and post/comment history.
I am queer myself, and also neurodiverse, and I am not talking about your gender, I am talking about your communication style.
I have known tons of queer, gay, lesbian, bi, trans, etc people and you are the only person I’ve ever met that uses ‘person independent pronouns.’
I’ve even dated a trans person with dissociative identity disorder, whose different identities had different genders, but this person would still use I and My, would still use he or she or they depending on which alter I was interacting with.
If your username is Dragon Rider, 99% of people will view your use of Drag or drag as a nickname, the same way John is often a shortened version of Johnathan.
Drag isn’t drag’s nickname.
99.9% of people, who use standard English grammatical rules, including myself, a former copywriter for a university newspaper, automatically interperet “drag’s” in this sentence as you referring to yourself in the third person.
99.9% of people would say “Drag isn’t my nickname.”
I know that you like to describe it as person independent pronouns, but that is a confusing, foreign concept to 99.9% of English speakers who are not part of a very small part of the already comparitively small queer / neurodiverse community/ies.
…
If I were to go around saying “That is not what spec said, spec claimed that blah blah blah…”, never using standard first person pronouns…
I would encounter exactly the same confusion, people would think I was referring to myself in the third person, by a nickname.
Ooo what is this anarchist instance you speak of? I made the mistake of interacting with lemmy.ml never again
Its the most active / populated explicitly anarchist instance I am aware of, for english speakers anyway.
EDIT: hah, just realized we both did the same old school l33t speak for our names. I went with just the vowels being numbers, haha.
Hell yeah thank you!
Hey whaddya know, I accidentally a praxis today.
=D
I have an old friend named Brian Thompson who is 100% not this Brian Thompson.
I feel bad for him having this guys name today and how much shit he’ll hear about it.
Brian Thompson is such a nothing name, I was wondering who it was by the time I got to your comment.
My college buddy has a last name of Epstein. He did not have a good time for two months straight. And my poor friend Karen now goes by Karey.
If they had married she could be Karen Epstein!
The NPR article right now on this guy is disgusting
Huh, from your post I’d assumed it painted a brutal picture of him. Instead, it’s basically just his family and company saying “he was such a nice man”.
I expected better, NPR.
NPR has been targeted by republicans for reporting on facts in the past few years that they’ve been scared shitless and now report on the most shallowest softest version of news to avoid offending anybody.
Shame, as Trump will still defund them.
Not a single mention of all the people fucked over by United Healthcare.
Don’t expect a mainstream news outlet to condone an assassination.
Also, don’t feel the need to have a mainstream news outlet validate your ideas.
Watch this be the catalyst for stricter gun control
The point of having guns is to defend yourselves, Americans.
All these doubting replies don’t know how the rich responded to the Black Panthers.
NOTHING will make them give up their guns
Shooter wasn’t black
I’ll take “Things that won’t happen” for 100, Alex.
Lol thoughts and prayers.
This is HORRIBLE news! I’m talking about the News about ONE person dying not the MILLIONS he Kills each year!
Should have bought working class insurance.
Not as embarassing as being worse than even Russia. American tourists will receive more healthcare in Russia than american citizens in America. I don’t know what you need to create universal healthcare system. Medics, academics, ministers of healthcare, communists, all above, books, equipment - anything can be provided, just please make universal healthcare in your country.
Hopefully at least this will cause some positive change to happen.
Hopefully at least this will cause some positive change to happen.
Maybe if at least 10 more were to be assassinated, in very rapid succession so they don’t have time to catch on to the plot. And throw in some anti-healthcare politicians too.
I doubt that will ever happen. Tbh, I’m an observer anyway. But one who thinks the country has potential to be so much better, given all the things it’s already great at.
Yeah nah. As long as money is in our politics, insurance companies will continue to lobby for keeping the system how it is. They’ll never change it because it’s a racket. Who the hell thought healthcare should be publicly held and done for profit is the closest thing to pure evil I can imagine.
It’s interesting what begins to happen when the political remedies are deemed hopeless.
