• tkw8@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    My racist/sexist/generally terrible uncle calls me liberal, brainwashed and woke, not open minded.

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      Remind him a shepherd doesn’t keep his little sheep around for their nice company, he’s going to sell or eat them.

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        Communism is a liberal political and economic philosophy that finds its roots in The Enlightenment.

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          This is about as valid as saying liberalism is descended from Thomas More’s Utopia because he was an English humanist and thus all liberalism is Utopian thought. Or mercantilist, for that matter.

          Kind of, sure, in the sense that socialism developed after capitalism, and Marxism and anarchism were mostly framed as having to develop from liberal/capitalist nations, but not in the way you mean it, or a useful way at all. For one thing, “liberalism” that doesn’t embrace capitalism is not liberalism ya goof.

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            According to the Concise Oxford Dictionary of Politics and Western Political Theory in the Face of the Future:

            Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law.

            I agree with this definition, above.

            Furthermore, liberalism and its subsequent offspring - socialism (and all its variations), communism, anarchism, etc. - are antitheses to monarchism and divine right.

            What is your definition of liberalism?

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              That’s close enough, I just know what “private property” means in this context (that’s the capitalism part btw) and that constitutional monarchies are acceptable to most liberal theorists, as the “absolute” power, aka the ability to make laws, is held by more or less democratic bodies.

              Thus the UK being a liberal nation (there’s actually quite a lot of English law history that states that the monarch is not above laws, as America has recently found out is not apparently true for Presidents), and all socialist schools not being liberalism anymore than capitalism is merchantilism.

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      Hey, my thanksgiving dinner was interrupted by me telling half my family they are not family, so theres always hope

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      This Thanksgiving we took an opportunity to talk shit to my 21 year old nephew. He had told me about horseshoe theory and other “I’m not right wing, I’m a moderate” bullshit before. Today he praised RFK. The three adults other than Grandma, being his mom, his aunt, and his uncle (me), all piled on with stories of what a bullshit hack RFK is.

      Then we left him alone about it and had a good time. Strike hard and fast then talk about something else. Leave them with something to think about.

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    Man, I’m not seeing any of those motherfuckers. They don’t warrant the time of day, let alone getting to disturb my peace. I’m just gonna make some good food and hang out with my mom and the dog and have a nice day.

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    Of course not. They live for the outage and offense they cause. It’s like a validation for them that they’re on the right track. Like finding enemies in a video game, it indicates that it’s the path to follow. They don’t realize they’re the villain though.

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    Think there are definitely people that choose to believe the world is a certain way because that feels right and that’s how it should be. Rather than what it actually is. Just completely brainwashed and refusing to see evidence.

    Plenty of woke people will claim immigrants from poor countries, that have intolerant religions and low records for homophobia and sexism even from places like UN, will be upstanding citizens and cause 0 problems at all (as a group average).

    Those people are equally if not more annoying.

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    Well of course they don’t say that. They have negative sounding terms like the old “bleeding heart liberal,” because as every good conservative knows it is weakness and foolishness to give a shit about other people.

    I guess today they would just go for woke. It’s short and meaningless, but it started out being used by minorities so again every good conservative knows it’s a bad thing and a killer insult.

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    Yeah, kinda. My racist aunt was like: “yeah, so I’ve had some issues with my daughter. She’s woke, you know, so she gets angry at everything I say. I can’t say anything anymore. I don’t mind her not coming over. No respect for the parents and elderly these days, their generation is totally fucked up. Must be puberty or something.” (*my cousin is 32)

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        I do know what they say because both my racist narcissistic aunt and mother say it to me in my face. They get angry at me for telling them what they say is racist / homophobe / transphobe / supports genocide (they are pro Israël), tell me I act like a child, don’t know anything about the world, have no respect, should keep my mouth shut, shouldn’t have come, should be ashamed of myself. “Next time behave and let us speak our opinions (meaning shut up and listen) or don’t come.” So now I have cut them completely off. They are angry about that too but I blocked them so it’s not my problem anymore. They are in their 70s so should die soon I hope. Makes this world just is little bit less horrible.

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    One time as a kid I took a southern Baptist church trip to Central America. When I got back my racist uncle said “y’all look like a bunch of foreigners.” Mind you that at the time I was blond enough to be a Hitler Youth poster boy, but heaven forbid my skin was brown from being in the sun. 🙄