• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    Republicans consider a “joke” to mean what they retroactively designate something that they meant in earnest as soon as they get pushback.

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    RumbaGPT, how will this play out?

    He’s probably just joking and if he’s not, it’s not so bad and if it is that bad it won’t affect you and it if will you deserve it

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    The Narcissist’s Prayer

    That didn’t happen.

    And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.

    And if it was, that’s not a big deal.

    And if it is, that’s not my fault.

    And if it was, I didn’t mean it.

    And if I did, you deserved it.

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    I also argued with someone who said the information was a badly organized protest and said I was overreacting lol

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      Yeah, except only a minority of the population voted for this. It’d be great if only they bore the fruits of their stupid labors.

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      The people who voted for evil do.

      The people who failed to vote against evil do, but less.

      The people who voted against evil? No fuckin chance.

      “America” is too wide a brush, but I get talking that way.

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        Pour one out for all the people drilled into being ultra-gullible when it comes to Fox&Co-Conspirators and completely immunised to viewpoints that contradict the propaganda machine. Would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

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        I guess the issue is that, assuming a turnout of 60% for simplicity, the undeserving third category you mention only makes up roughly 30% of eligible voters. Which means 70% of eligible voters are deserving of what’s coming to them (according to you). I acknowledge that throwing the whole country into the same bucket is not a fair and helpful simplification, but it’s becoming increasingly harder to resist the urge.

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      Not everyone voted for Trump, but even so, people don’t deserve pain just because they’re bad.

      Stop this puritanical bs.

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        No, but it is a democracy and so just how the racists had to put up with Biden, now everyone else has to put up with The Racist.

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          No one “deserves” pain.

          Sometimes you have to apply harm to stop greater harm, but the concept of “deserving” harm is disgusting.

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              If I have to use violence on someone, I am sad that the situation is such that I have to do so, and I wish it weren’t so.

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                This doesn’t mean they don’t deserve it. It just means you are sad it had to come to this. The fact that you had to resort to violence, due to how awful they are, means they deserved it. Had they not deserved it, you wouldn’t have great cause to be violent. Unless you are becoming violent towards people that would respond to lesser input, they deserved it.

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      A lot of people are going to suffer who didn’t vote for him. This is as callous as the fascists.

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        Sure and that’s a sacrifice that America voted for and also literally didn’t even bother voting against.

        After nearly half a decade of disappointment, I this it’s high time Americans felt the pain of their actions.

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          Can you see how that doesn’t change the response you replying to?

          Some people didn’t vote for him

          Well other people didn’t vote

          Are two unrelated statements.

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      Conservative / fascist leaders deserve it, the rest of us do not. The kids who were too young to vote, the leftists who fight against fascism, and the workers who don’t have the time to follow politics do not deserve any of what is to come.

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        Young voters voted for Trump. Tons of kids support him: https://www.axios.com/2024/11/07/young-men-voters-trump-2024-exit-polls

        Unionized workers had grassroots support for Trump: https://www.axios.com/2024/09/18/teamsters-endorsement-harris-trump-2024

        Staunch democrats sat out, or protest voted: https://www.axios.com/local/detroit/2024/11/07/why-biden-outperformed-harris-throughout-metro-detroit

        Ignorantia juris non excusat. Ignorance of the law excuses not.

        America is objectively, measurably, ignorant, trapped in bubbles, and we collectively did little to lift each other out. We are going to face justice for it.

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          Can’t wait to see all the sad Pikachu faces when he guts union protections and outlaws public sector unions altogether. “Can’t wait”

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            “Why do liberals do this to us? This is a failure of the demonrat party, next time I’m voting for Trump harder, he promised to help us”

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              Which is what happened in 2016 exactly.

              Lard ass promised to “make coal mining great again”.

              They got nothing, which was to be expected.

              Biden, as much as I find faults with him, actually did come through big for unions and the unions members, I’m sorry but they’re not the brightest here and we’re failed by their union leadership and by Democrats to get it through their thick skulls that Democrats actually did a shit ton for them and had their backs.

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                “Yeah, but liberal Hollywood offended me with their wokeness”. Or, “Yeah, but the smartypants college grads talked down to me”

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        You had me until that last group.

        If you opt out of participating, you deserve whatever happens without you.

        We’re in this mess arguably because of all the people who chose not to participate.

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          The left cuts down their candidates and elected officials over any faults, while the right uplifts them regardless of any faults. Is it any surprise the Dems always look bad in comparison to an uninformed voter.

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            The left has no candidates. The last time centrists didn’t get 100% of everything they wanted, they formed a PAC to try to get McCain elected, but they’ll certainly get mad at anyone who even considers expecting better.

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              I guess the theory is if people sit it out, handing it to the Republicans, the Dems will get shocked into moving left in the future? Seems like a gamble to me. Wouldn’t it make more sense to do that during primary season?

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      They are. But it’s also beyond that. It’s cult shit. That’s why they even have some smart people. Cause they’re in a cult. Even when they know it’s bullshit, they feel it’s their job to defend it

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    Conservatives: I like [insert obnoxious conservative figurehead] because they tell it like it is, they mean what they say

    Also conservatives, sometimes in the same breath: Fake! [obnoxious conservative figurehead] didn’t mean that! Taken out of context! 'Tis but a jape!

    Jesus fuck the reality distortion field is strong, it’s like doublethink but without being a clever social trick to survive, it’s just they’re that stupid.

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      I ‘member when the reality distortion field was just a Steve Jobs and Apple thing.

      We were such sweet innocent summer children.

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    The time for being reasonable and trying to convince willfully ignorant fucks is long past. You tell them they are a fucking fool. You block them on all communication channels. You never talk to them again. Trying to reason with an idiot is a waste of time. If anything you feed their thought process they are right by debating. They should all be ignored. They should all be cut off from their loved ones and friends.

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      As much as I want to agree with you, I don’t find this to be the best way. There are people who are going to be lost causes, but we owe it to ourselves and the people we care about to try getting them back to reason. We all do dumb shit all our lives, we can’t give up on people there’s too much hate already.

      There are some Trump supporters in my family and I was able to get through to one of my uncles. He used to be chill, smoke, and be in a jam band. No idea how someone so laid back can all the sudden have a whole room full of Trump memorabilia and repeating such hateful rhetoric.

      It was so damn hard. Talked for hours, had to keep repeating things like ‘please, I love you, why would I lie to you’. I had to open up more than I ever had to anyone. He tried leave and ignore me sometimes, but I really put myself in it. I really listened to him and why he went so hard into Trump. Argued about policies and everything under the sun. But I feel like I got my uncle back now, like REALLY got him back. It hasn’t felt like this since before COVID.

      I know this is probably cheesy but Under Pressure by Queen and David Bowie is what got me to start reaching out and I’m going to keep trying with others in my life

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      Shut them down, but leave them a route out.

      It’s a cult, one of the goals is to trap people within them. The worst thing we can do is shove people back into that box, once they try and escape. It might be satisfying, but it’s also extremely counterproductive.

      If America wants to actually win, you either need to outlive, or deconvert the members. The first will take generations, I presume you don’t want to have to wait that long?

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      There is no “try” for authoritarians. Most of it probably won’t even need to “pass” anything, and if it does, it’ll be rubber stamps

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        The Heritage Foundation also wrote something like 80% of the policies that were passed under Reagan. I wish journalists would talk about that more. Think tanks for the 1% shouldn’t be writing our laws