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And this is why libs are made fun of for their feckless electoralism.
Try organizing and building mutual aid networks instead of just sitting on your ass and watching.
Maybe in 4 years you’ll be better prepared.
Nobody was leftist enough for anyone this election. It was a shit show of allies with differences, fighting and calling each other Nazis. They got played by Trump, the dumbest man on earth.
I’ve had to vote for a shit sandwich in 2 elections now, just because the other option was staying home and let the fascists racists win.
Somehow to Americans. Liberal became a worse thing to be than a Nazi. Meanwhile the rest of the world who uses the Term Liberal differently, is just scratching their head watching these idiots
What KIND of liberal? There are several “liberal” variants and the two main defined variants are:
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Classic Liberalism - functionally the idea’s of the french revolution.
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Modern Liberalism - tack social justice into the mix, requiring government intervention to enforce it.
reality is, since about 1965-1970 left wing parties have been defined by the social justice bent. They have more or less been governed by an idea that they alone have the moral authority to define correct from wrong, that it is they that must define what is right wing - and over the years, a tremendous number of things, have been defined as right wing; we have seen a shift from Representatives defining laws and regulations - to regulatory agencies having the power to define the details devolved to them. We have seen the growth and bloat of bureaucracy, funded through increased taxes -and inflationary spending practices.
So the reason “liberal” is defined differently - is functionally that the definition of “liberal” has been redefined. And this reuse of terms - well: That has a storied history in a particular soviet nation. Political correctness has a very soviet history to it.
If you want to debate, and discredit a candidate based on their political stance/views and policies - ok: Do so. But maybe stop trying to define it as “nazi” - the term is ever more losing it’s weight in discussions, and that fact makes it very difficult to legitimately call out problematic entities. Because lets be clear: Trump is NOT A National Socialist - and that is a defining feature of the Nazi party.
You guys just don’t get it. It’s astounding watching this from the outside. While you argued about the new meanings you’ve given to words, and who is worthy or not of being your ally, the far right was unified and laughing at you.
Americans are on a whole other planet
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If all you do is vote then you’re a big part of the problem.
Better than staying home and bitching, and I do much more than vote, and not protest, that doesn’t work
I’m not watching
Victims are too white…
Most of the darker skinned ones were already run over further back on the track.
This metaphor has always been poor. Trains are locked on tracks. Harris’s campaign could have steered away from biden and his low approval rating, distance from the voters, and genocide, at any moment she wanted to. She wasnt locked on tracks. Pretending she was so its easy to yell at voters is a really unfortunate takeaway, and dooms the party to continuing to think in ways that will lose. The massive unpopular – historically so even-- incumbent lost. Thats what happened.
Can we stop pretending this election was about Gaza?
It was about Gaza for a lot of us.
If you haven’t voted for Harris because of Gaza, congratulations. You sealed the fate of the remaining people living there. The US will increase their support and Bibi will feel more confident than ever. Palestine may be wiped out all together.
It doesn’t fucking matter that Harris isn’t everything you want from a president. She’s far from perfect. I don’t like her policies. The reality is that it was a choice between a conservative and a fascist. America chose fascism and the world will suffer.
Being a leftist and not voting because LoW aPpRoVaL is unbelievably irresponsible and I refuse to make excuses for people who stayed home.
You sealed the fate of the remaining people living there.
You have no data at all on that-- thats just a self serving hope to service your political ends. Biden let the zionists do whatever far right warcrimes they wanted, whenever they wanted, as much as they wanted. He didnt even defend the UN, journalists, aid workers or the Americans killed there. He continues to actively break the Leahy laws amongst many others. I am hopeful that since Trump and his followers are antisemites, maybe he wont be as bad as Biden/Harris. See? I can have self serving hopes exactly the same as you can.
All Biden/Harris offered were words that didnt match their actions and toothless red lines that were memory holed when Netenyahu laughed at them and bypassed them. Other presidents ended the same events with a simple phone call. So your painting of Biden/Harris as supportive of Palestinians is over the top ridiculous.
I’m also hopeful that some president after trump will sign onto the ICC treaty so we can ship Trump and Biden to the Hague for the prison sentence they are so richly overdue for.
If only you heard the voices of the people you campaign for, instead of deciding what was best for them from your computer…
Except those people tied themselves to the track and started the train themselves… Completely voluntarily.
Unfortunately not true, a lot of people who didn’t vote for Neofascism will also suffer.
there’s nothing neo about this, let’s not even give them the credit of originality. This is exactly what happened 100 years ago.
Right down to the rally at MSG, next comes the night of long knives
Whilst screaming make America great again as the trolley (s) keep going
I mean you could also take the “don’t buy from US based corporations for 1 year challenge” starting january 1st 2025. Stock up on any corporate goods you need now then buy nothing for a year.
The pandemic market rallied because of a bailout after consumer spending plummeted. Would be a shame if the same thing happened and suddenly there was no emergency for a bailout to sail under.
They won’t have time and energy for persecuting people if the economy is broken.
Record/pirate a bunch of movies/shows then cancel streaming for a year. Buy any electronics now before the tariffs start. Buy surplus canned food etc. Then see how little you can spend the entire year of 2025. Planning on doing tourist stuff inside the US? Don’t. If you work at a big corporation consider deleting an important email and see what happens.
Lets fuck around.
Why would you waste so many prison slaves?
Also, why are you all so worried? Surely the cops will protect us! That was the plan after eventually disarming the working class right? Are yall saying that the democratic party was wrong to pursue gun control?
laughs like a school shooting
Funny how it’s the Dems fault the conservatives elected a fascist leader.
Its the DNC’s fault. They ran a masterclass on how to lose to a dementia afflicted fascist clown.
its always the democrats fault, a brave take. Harris’ campaign was not good, but Its possible she had no chance even with a perfect campaign. There are far too many comitted nonvoters that are completely offline and don’t watch news.
The democrats as a party just don’t have the in person networks to reach people. They just send out emails and clock out thinking everyone even has an email account. Job done.
Its possible she had no chance even with a perfect campaign.
I dont think thats a reasonable assumption at all.
I think you’re just not ready to admit that the campaign had any flaws at all yet.
I mean you could read the rest of what I wrote to see thats not the case. I’m reacting to interviews with nonvoters I saw, which are shockingly unaware. Like I don’t think democrats or leftists have any media reach.
If you are from the US and you criticized people living under authoritarian regimes for not rioting hard enough, this is your time.
You still have it easy. You won’t be taken into prison for standing with a piece of blank paper. You won’t be beaten with batons and taken into custody for reciting Constitution. Yet. Go ahead before it gets there, and may you never see a true authoritarian horror.
Otherwise, all your words are not worth a dime.
The left couldn’t be bothered to vote but you think they’re going to riot?
It would have maybe been mobilizing if the election was closer, or if the Dems at least won the popular vote by 5 million again… but this defeat was thorough enough to absolutely crush the morale of anyone who leans even a little bit left. Why should I waste my time and money supporting progressive policies when some people won’t even do the bare minimum to prevent Republicans from establishing a stranglehold on our government and institutions?
If the accelerationists thought that sitting out and handing the election to Trump was going to mobilize the left I’m afraid they’re going to be disappointed. You say there’s still time, but is there? I used to think the “Trump is a fascist” rhetoric was hyperbole until J6 happened, now the proof is on video. Just engaging with these posts on a leftist site could be getting me onto a McCarthy-style blacklist that would prevent me from getting a job.
There’s also a chance that the DNC still won’t get the message and we will do it all again in 2026, 2028, and so on. I guess beatings will continue until morale improves.
Riots always start with local minority and get more and more people engaged.
America is not lost, and has plenty of people ready to take it on the streets. They just need a push. And having others around fighting for their future is the kind of push that can wake such people up. It’s way easier to join rather than start.
55% of your countrymen chose fascism. If you don’t want fascism I think it’s time to leave.
Working on it, but for the overwhelming majority of people emigrating is a hell of a lot harder than just showing up in another country and saying “my place sucks, can I come in?”
Technically it’s not a full 55% of my countrymen, just 55% of the ones who bothered to vote. I’ll admit that’s not really a meaningful distinction though. Unfortunately, there’s also more of us who want to leave than the rest of the world can reasonably handle. I hope as many marginalized people can get out, because it’s going to be bad, especially for them. But those, like me, who are unlikely to be directly targeted due simply to being lucky enough to be born straight, white, men should probably leave those limited seats for those who truly need to leave.
The ones who didn’t vote are just as culpable as the ones who did.
Let me just leave this here:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.— Martin Niemöller https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_…
I do not mean to accuse you of staying silent, but please remember: no one is safe from fascism once it is there.
Absolutely agree. I’m only talking about the fleeing the country part. Those of us who can stay are going to have to put in a lot of work, speaking out against fascism, protecting those who cannot flee, and being generally rebellious against tyranny.
If anything those of us who happen to not be directly in their crosshairs have a greater responsibility to speak out for the groups that are going to be targeted, because it could quickly get to a point where it’s dangerous for those marginalized people to be as vocal. We cannot leave the most vulnerable to fight alone for their right to exist.
People that didn’t vote, didn’t bother either way, so my point still stands.
What would rioting do though besides serve as an excuse to ram in fascism
If it’s not gonna happen, more fascist measures will be introduced - without people’s hesitation outside Internet comments.
A solid organized riot does change the course even for most authoritarian governments, even if they happen to suppress it eventually. Politicians should feel that their position is not as solid as they would like.
But the further people prefer to not intervene, the more entrenched authoritarians become and more draconian measures are implemented. As such, the government is strongly interested in making people think rioting doesn’t help. This is part of many authoritarians’ playbooks.
It will do nothing, and I personally don’t think it should be done. But as a thought experiment it shows that saying other authoritarian countries’ citizens that they just ‘didn’t riot hard enough and this are all to blame’ was a bit wrong
There’s nothing worth rioting for.
Except minority rights (including, but not limited to LGBTQ+, especially T), healthy immigration policy, right to abortion, fair economic policy, environmental policies, and a million other things.
Let me clarify my statement: America is over. There is nothing worth getting hurt over. Most people here seem to want what is to come. I’m planning to cut my losses if it starts coming to fruition and move somewhere more progressive.
That’s what happens to many authoritarian shitholes: progressives move and evacuate, loyalists remain. That’s how the country gets screwed more and more.
And US is a pretty high-stakes country, so losing that would be very bad.
I will be happy to lay down my life to defend the downtrodden. My 73 year old mom is married to a woman, and I’m terrified of the day they come for her.
Eh, lofty words. Your best bet is to move. This isn’t like the old civil war times. Most people want this, apparently.
Unions, equality, education, healthcare…
Except minority rights, healthy immigration policy, right to abortion, fair economic policy, environmental policies, and a million other things.
So the question is do you watch or turn away?
Someone in the secret service should leave a security hole so someone can kill trump
You can throw yourself in front of the train coward
Why? I’m tired to the tracks just like you.
That sounds like less of a why issue and more like a how issue.
You could always blow up the trolley.
Who could?
You could! With the power of reading!
For some reason now I wonder what Reading Rainbow would be like if hosted by Samuel L. Jackson.
You don’t have to take my word for it…motherfucker.
Books are amazing. Did anyone know you can get a book about being ungovernable?
Or why it’s morally okay to blow up pipelines?
Books are amazing. I imagine you could find a book for any kind of idea.
Only $103 to preorder the book to learn to become ingouvernable!
The book is about being ungovernable. Pirates are pretty ungovernable.
Sounds like you’re putting the responsibility of changing the system on everyone else.
I’m not going to be a part of the American system anymore because I don’t think it will be changed any time soon. Not for the better. Not at the risk of my child’s life.
Where are you moving to? I’ve been looking, as well.
The UK. Not the best choice, but I’m a dual citizen.
Oh, that’s great. Good for you, Squid. My girlfriend and I were looking there or Spain. It’d be a nightmare to move, though.
Cor blimey
You mean you don’t want to be a part of it.
You have to be as long as you’re a citizen.
What do you expect me to do, mail a letter to the Secretary of State renouncing my citizenship?
This is like being against the Vietnam War but criticizing the people who left for Canada to avoid the draft.
No.
Then you’re going to have to learn some double-thing and join the fascists to make yourself feel better. Because Americans tend to hold feelings far more important than facts.
No. I won’t just watch. I will fight
The only thing is the viewer should be tied to the track.
DNC leadership should be tied to the track.
I agree. Its time to stop this two party system and just have the one that everyone likes better anyway.
Issue polls show that everyone wildly approves of progressive policies but they hate progressive people. If you can solve that I’d vote for you for president.
Unfortunately I can’t. Im one fo the idiots who votes for more porgressive policies (who might win) vs less and could care less about what someone is like. Don’t get me wrong. obama was so effing amazeballs when it comes to what I would want a president to be if you are not concerned with how they run the country. Educated, well spoken, organic garden in the whitehouse with a michael stipe looking chef making beer and mead. I mean wow. But biden still blows me away with what he accomplished in an incredibly adversarial situation.
Eh, he might be a cis het white Christian who hates what’s going on?
Me. I have a sense of building survivors guilt as I watch my LGBTQ+ friends panic. I’m offering them support but I am aware that I can personally avoid being targeted and it pisses me off. Why should I get to be relatively okay while my friends suffer an incoming genocide? The thoughts that come from that feel self destructive. Like hurting myself just to prove I had something to lose. In reality the best thing I think I will be able to do is help my friends under all circumstances and go from there. Maybe join my local Socialist organization to assist in a larger assistance for the coming years. Idk man.
Thing is that when things are done well everybody basically wins and when done poorly everyone does poorly. just not in equal measure. maybe he would have a pinkie tied to the rail.
I think it’s fitting. He himself would be physically fine whilst everything collapses around him when the floor drops out.
