“Pedophile” is missing from the trump one…
Undecided voters are the dumbest people on the face of the Earth.
I disagree. Trumpers are definitely worse.
say what you want about the tenets of trumpism, Dude, at least it’s an ethos!
(jokes aside I am no contact now with any of my relatives who expresses any pro trump support. I’m trans and fuck your fam!)
Is it though? I think it’s more of a cult than an ethos. Trump could do a complete 180 on any number of issues and most of his cult wouldn’t even notice.
it’s just a line from The Big Lebowski with the word trumpism swapped for National Socialism, i was not being serious at all.
What is the difference?
replace undecided voters with antisemites, and you’ll have this meme dialed in
Say it with me now!
CRITICIZING 👏 THE 👏 ISRAELI 👏 GOVERNMENT 👏 IS 👏 NOT 👏 CRITICIZING 👏THE 👏 JEWISH 👏 PEOPLE. THEY 👏 ARE 👏 NOT 👏 A 👏 BORG 👏 HIVEMIND.
Yeah, well, I’ll stop calling out antisemitism when people stop being antisemitic. There are a lot of antisemitic tropes floating around right now where “Jew” is just subbed out for “Zionist”, and people seem oblivious to the nuances between Judaism and Zionism.
Actual criticism of Zionism as a political philosophy is obviously more than welcome, but there are way too many “Zionists control the world and are subhuman” folks out there seemingly immune to criticism in left-leaning spaces because as long as they proxy their antisemitism through the lens of anti-Zionism, the left will reflexively defend them.
The fact that, here on Lemmy, every non-Arab man, woman, and child living in Israel are regularly spoken of as if they are foreign invaders that need to be mass-deported or worse should be enough of a warning sign that at least some anti-Zionists don’t actually have their sites set on Zionism, but rather the destruction of Israel and the displacement/destruction of it’s people, representing 50% of the Jews on Earth.
BORG HIVEMIND.
Missed opportunity to say BERG HIVEMIND.
Just saving it for you.
Found the ‘but genocide’ guy…
You guys are so deep in blue Maga that you can’t even tell the person you’re replying to is pro genocide.
Um… Maybe reread that. Their stance is literally the opposite
No, it isn’t, go read their comment history.
They are just reactionary at this point and basically foaming at the mouth with the rabid thoughts of all the people that are wrong and easy to point at for being so, even if they are completely wrong and missing the point. Basically the same level of fear mongering but theirs is acceptable.
Perhaps, but they’ve been accusing everyone who fights again the genocide of being antisemitic for month on end now. Their position on the issue couldn’t be clearer, and it is the opposite of what y’all are claiming.
You mean the Russian asset
With a more representative electoral system, we could have more then two buttons. First-past-the-post voting is mathematically flawed and will always result in a two party system, which is why we must replace it as soon as we can.
Yall believe in democracy right?
First past the post voting is the cheapest and fastest use of taxpayer dollars. Must we overburden our poorest districts with purchasing requirements for fancy smancy vote counting machines? /s
In fact, this whole elections thing is just so expensive, a burdensome cost to the people. Wouldn’t you prefer to save money and the reduced risk with knowing a qualified expert is running things (\s)
(this legit is how the Heritage Foundation sounds)
I’m with you. What’s your plan?
Vote for the partiesand candidates that support ranked choice
There is a method that already exists. There are states that have signed an agreement where once enough states sign on to it, it automatically will go into effect. https://youtu.be/dFZyFmILb5w?si=rpQMxbgnNAjltx8X
That has nothing to do with this. That’s the interstate popular vote compact and all it does is make the winner of the popular vote the winner of the election. It does absolutely nothing to end two party dominance, and continues all of the exact same flaws of the existing system but without the electoral college, and even that only in the unlikely event that the compact survives the inevitable challenge in the supreme court. You’s still only get one vote for one candidate and it comes necessarily at the expense of any others.
You’re right I spose, but It’s the first step. Every time the ec elected a Republican in the last 25 years, a dem won the popular vote.
Once Dems actually start winning, Then you have the ability to make changes. There are already states that have implemented ranked choice voting.
I mean, winning isn’t the last step. The democrats are more likely to implement anything meaningful than the republicans, but we’re still going to have to drag them kicking and screaming into doing it. If everyone breathes a sigh of relief and relaxes on November 7th nothing will change. The real work STARTS then.
Exactly right that’s what I mean
I’ve started a gofundme.
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Spotless record? Could you simp any harder?
Kamala has a crimal record?
If we lived in a just country she would.
Four more days. And then another year? Maybe ten?
It’s exhausting.
Virginian here. It’s every year for us. State positions are in the odd years.
Undecided voter = person who cannot discern truth
in the states it’s so easy. you just choose between the status quo or the obvious deranged evil. here we vote on the lower positions and nobody ever knows who any of them are and we don’t have proportional so everyone just votes by party and the names are largely meaningless
I don’t understand how there are undecided voters this election… I understand trump voters. Ride or die republicans, bigots, wealthy people that want more money for themselves. They are fucked up, but they make sense.
But how are you undecided? What are you weighing up. If you’re not in the aforementioned groups, what single positive thing does trump offer?
The only reason I can actually understand an undecided voter is if it’s actually a strategic decision to entice the parties to give them more. An undecided voter is worth so much that Elon is literally giving away millions of dollars to sway them. Yeah it’s chump change to him but it’s still unprecedented. It would be kind of like a nullifying jurur, in that they’re saying something completely different than what they’re thinking. That totally gives undecided voters way more credit than they’re actually due, because in reality they’re just ignorant of the situation.
My guess is the Palestinian issue which puts people on the fence. Both parties would still support the Israeli government.
Both parties would still support the Israeli government.
Exactly, and Trump is so much worse in everything else, not to mention that he’d also be worse in the very Palestinian issue you’re concerned about! Even with this issue in the equation I still don’t understand it
Well, I’m not American so I cannot feel the existential dilemma between picking a genocider or ride or die genocider. But if I am electing, I certainly don’t want to feel being forced to pick either two. I imagine many Americans probably feel uncomfortable with that as well.
Additionally, another factor with Trump still polling remarkably well is because a lot of people perceive the economy under Trump to be better. Take it as you will, but people under economic pressure feel forced to pick the extreme. People typically value economic security over liberty, unfortunately.
Yeah, the ingrained illusion that Republicans are better for the economy is a very unfortunate one
Undecided voters aren’t undecided because they’re oblivious to what’s going on. They’re undecided because they live in a swing state, so they have more power than the average voter, and most importantly they want something. They see the candidates campaigning specifically for them. They’re hoping to be offered a promise they actually care about.
I’ve seen some people try the free speech angle. But that isn’t true either. Neither he nor Elon are actually about free speech.
No, they’re inherently more anti free speech than the people they’re puroportedly against, anyone using that justification is either ignorant or only cares about not getting in trouble for being a bigot
Right? How can that be said with a straight face with all these “woke” book bans. And then Trump saying he wants to arrest the media for saying bad things about him.
Are there really many voters undecided between Harris and Trump?
Naw there’s just a bunch of people who won’t admit they’re voting for Trump when you ask them. They also don’t want their friends/community thinking they’re voting for a Democrat either so they just lie and say they’re undecided or even more likely Independent™ because that sounds cool anyway. They know they’re voting for a fascist but also want to have their cake too and not publicly admit it.
They may not even want the fascist part. But they’re voting for Trump because they think one day they’ll make over $500k/yr and they don’t want to pay “200% more taxes” (it’s actually 2%) when that day inevitably comes. The rest of them secretly would rather kill their children than let a black woman run our country, but they’d never say it.
actually, i think they know they will never make 500k a year. they are voting for trump because he hates they people they do, and he validates their racist behavior.
they also believe some of the lies he sprouts about immigrants stealing their jobs and being a drain on the system.
Statistically, that’s just not true. Just look at the differences from the polls, the margin between Harris and Trump has moved quite some percentage points back and forth. E.g. after RFKs endorsement, more undecided voters went to Trump and after the debate, more went back to Harris.
I have a friend who voted for Trump and now he is undecided. Now he is saying he isn’t voting for anyone. I guess that’s better than voting for Trump. He lives in AZ. So that is sorta a win.
sadly yes. there are people who are still on the fence. given that 70million people will look the other way and vote for him despite the lies, dementia, racism, Facism, Nazism, narcissism, sexism, felonies, fraud, racketeering, sexual harassment, etc. I’m not surprised a few million are on the fence.
Her record is not spotless tbh.
Anyway, easy solution to the problem: ban Trump and the GOP. Bam, fascism is no more.
Well, fascism will still exist if you ban Trump and GOP.
The US has no mechanisms to ban political parties
and the constitution was basically i intended to prevent banning a party just because the current administration dislikes them.
I’m sure pretending the blue candidate isn’t complicit in genocide is a great strategy to convincing more voters.
Unfortunately we are in the same position with both candidates. You can’t be President of the US and have clean hands
True but the meme claims “spotless record” which is not true
I guess when both candidates have “Genocide Participant” credits it no longer matters to compared that specific item.
Say that back to yourself out loud, and see if it still sounds right.
What for? There are absolutely no real options to avoid the Israel/Palestine conflict. So as an adult who understands that there are some things I can and cannot influence I move on to those I can influence.
One candidate is leagues above the other.
Anyone who says “well your candidate will be bad for Israel/Palestine” is being disingenuous because both will suck. Thats bait and a distraction.
Going 3rd party or abstaining from voting are both stupid approaches.
I voted for Harris. Did you know there are ways to advocate for Harris without excusing the genocide?
Disarming Israel is not on the ballot. I wish it were, but we are where we are. Comparing the candidates on issues where they do differ significantly makes the decision pretty easy.
I guess we’ll see in 4 days if disarming Israel should have been on the ballot.
That’s.
That’s not how it works.
Please don’t make such terrible arguments. I care about your cause and don’t want to see it badly represented.
Pretending the red candidate isn’t a secret selling multi-count rapist Nazi has been working out just fine.
Tell me again, what are Jane Steins accomplishments?
She’s already said she will continue arming Israel, which is a felony at this point.
Proudly proclaiming she will commit a felony day one is a good indication of how I expect the rest of her term to go.
My ballot had 3 options: Kamala Harris, Donald Trump and Robert Kennedy, Jr.
Write-ins are not allowed in Indiana.
Who should I have voted for?
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I’m sorry, you’re right. They are on it too.
What felony exactly? If that’s a felony, that would be great, because then we can finally hold gun manufacturers and owners who sell their firearms fully responsible.
She’s not even president.
Hey, never mind the fact though that Walz is feeding school kids, they’re getting tampons in bathrooms and plan to finally tax the rich more, help the poor and increase minimum wage
Im sure people who are struggling to get dinner on their table are more concerned about foreign policy
She’s declaring intent to violate Leahy Law.
But I guess a blood sacrifice is an acceptable trade off for school lunches. It’s just arab kids, right? /s
https://theintercept.com/2024/05/10/biden-attorneys-legal-weapons-israel/
The Leahy Laws or Leahy amendments are U.S. human rights laws that prohibit the U.S. Department of State and Department of Defense.
So it’s actually applied against those 2 offices, not the executive branch.
And again, she wants a ceasefire…
You have no way of knowing what’s happening in the background, only what you read about in the news
It doesn’t matter what she says she wants. If she authorizes more weapons sales, she’s in violation of both international and domestic law.
Which law again?
As mentioned, Leahy’s law isn’t executive branch it seems according to Wikipedia. So you need to take it up with you Pentagon…
The Leahy Law for those interested.
Is there a person alive on this planet now with a so called “spotless” record? OP, are you of all the major decisions Kamala has made and you agree with them?
hmm. why am I voting for Harris. let me count the ways:
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she’s got30 felonies less that what’s his face.
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no bribery
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no fraud
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no racketeering,
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no sexual assault
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isnt Putin’s bitch
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she trusts science
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doesn’t mock disabled reporters on live TV
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isn’t planning on appointing her unqualified family to the government
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she isn’t running only to stay out of prison
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she isn’t married to a Slovenian escort
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she isn’t copying Hitler
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her running mate never said she’s hitler
• Never got accused of running any scam businesses.
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Already voted for Harris. Your argument is invalid.
Go cry about it.
In fact, I might just go vote again!
An ode to the increasingly large gap in education within the US. You reap what you sow, and that lack of worker rights and education along with the promotion and celebration of extreme competition is showing. Not that it isn’t costly, a good education doesn’t even seem to last a generation nowadays.
Ignoring everything else here prosecutor is a net negative and “Felon” isn’t a bad thing necessarily. If you want to you can criticize Trump without propping up law enforcement.
Okay but in this case, felon is a bad thing because the crimes trump has been convicted of are serious offenses that should make him ineligible to even be president.
trump wasn’t convicted on 1 or 2 charges that were pushed on him by racist fascist pigs. He is the racist fascist pig. Who was convicted of scores of felonies.
It is a bad thing. Necessarily.
Yes trumps crimes were bad no argument from me. It’s just so many of these felon vs prosecutor memes and similar things really play into demonization of “felons” as a whole.
To be faiiiiiir
Left out rapist under Trump’s “accomplishments”
Is that not included in felon?
Not all felons are rapists not has he ever been actually criminally convicted of the crime of rape, so no.
I didn’t follow as closely. was he convicted of rape? I know he was accused. given his track record im 100% sure he’s guilty of everything. but I thought he managed to settle and weasel his way out so he’s not officially convicted as a rapist…
According to judge Kaplan, he did, in fact, rape her: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.590045/gov.uscourts.nysd.590045.212.0.pdf
He raped his exwife, it was in their divorce filings. He did it as revenge for his hair plug surgery going badly.
He was found guilty of sexual assault.
that’s what I thought. he dodged the rape charge. if he was convicted of rape he would certainly have been sentenced, served time in prison, and be on the sex offender registry.
regardless, hopefully in a week we never have to think about him again
Whether or not he was convicted, it’s a fact that he is a rapist.
It won’t end after the polls close. The MAGA cult has been setting the stage to fight any results they don’t like which will certainly create a large amount of time until the results are fully certified.
