Yes, but if we don’t have so many shitheads in the street how can we justify such bloated police budgets? I would rather spend the money on our fine boys and girls in blue then some people who actually need it.
Okay, but we have to be careful what part of the budget the money goes to. If we pay the cops too much, they might send their kids to college or some other liberal bullshit; and if we pay too much for training, we might accidentally get them competent instructors instead of grifters who promise them that killing people will make their pp hard. We have to make sure that we only buy military surplus that no police force could conceivably need, and paint it scawwy black, because military camo isn’t oppressive enough.
We don’t need more cops. We - America especially - seem to need better cops.
But the job can’t lure so many people in that it has a rich candidate list, and what we see here is that cops make shit salary for the terms of the work and necessary oversight. So they can’t be arsed for a pittance when people who can do my job sit in comfy Aerons all day and bang on a kayboard for great victory (and no bullets) for even more cash.
But, better job descs needs more money, and here we are beefing cop budgets to get fewer, better cops. You can’t win by cheaping out.
Being a cop pays pretty well, especially when you consider the low experience and educational requirements.
For a job with little in the way of qualifications, it does not pay poorly, majority of states are above the national average of $28.50 an hour. Not surprisingly wages in south are some of the worst, but in line for that region in general. There is little meaningful oversight, they have immunity and often very strong unions.
In the US the cruelty is the point. We will never end homelessness here because its an intended feature of our economic system. It’s a constant threat to workers. Coersing them into accepting low wages and long hours in the name of stability.
It should be treated as a union issue.
“You don’t get to have the leverage of excommunication and death over our workers”
mmm, yes, their sweaty, sweaty fate
“It’s called a reference, sweaty – look it up.”
(Maybe, anyway.)
I came here to heckle the person who can’t find the edit button. Thanks for making sure it was already handled.
Dishwashers are an accessibility item, too. Housing should be required to have them, just like places require wheelchair ramps.
And if we have to pick in-unit laundry should be top priority. You can do a lot with a sink and a hot plate but ain’t nobody should be washing clothes by hand and having to keep an eye on your clothes, especially for unhoused people who are probably a little justified in being worried about leaving their stuff unattended, takes some energy people may not have.
A free laundry room is fine
Absolutely. I’m currently living in a shelter, and we have 3 washers and dryers, 1 of each has been busted for at least a week. The door locks, and only staff has the code. Sharing a laundry situation has barely any pros, and mostly cons.
Yeah here in Finland that is basically achieved by having a laundry-room in apartment buildings that you can reserve. In some of the places I lived, it did cost though, so more of a laundromat in the cellar of your building. But usually free in the buildings that have a lot of government supported people.
Also Finnish, and where I live it’s not only free to do as much laundry as you want up to three hours/day down in the basement but everyone in the house helps to keep the washers and dryers clean and functional as well as regularly clean the common areas together. As a 38 year old man it’s quite funny to hang around and clean with a bunch of older ladies, lol.
…and ofc that sweet unlimited internet for free is nice as well.
Borsch he is silen
Also I don’t quite get it. Who makes the money?
Oh is this so they can work?
Do they have to sign a contract where they will work for you or else they lose the house and counseling?
I just don’t see how a society can continue if they aren’t paying their fair share!
/SarcasticCapitalism
Had me in the first half. My thumbs were really revving up.
The worst thing is, this is a far more effective way to make them productive members of society. It just isn’t cruel.
If it’s not cruel, I’m not doing it!
I really don’t think anyone can get physically healthier (I think that’s a big point) when they are sleeping in the cold and don’t have good nutrition.
multivitamins have been proven to be useless.
Thought it was just that they were useless for most healthy adults with any diet short of nutritional deficiency.
yes, that’s what we should be advocating for unhoused people, not wasting money on multivitamins. If we’re already talking about giving them an apartment and counseling, I don’t think a reasonable meal plan is much more to ask for.
did you have an actual point? just citing random studies via google means nothing.
I was highlighting the fact that there’s evidence for both answers
there really isn’t though.
In conclusion, multivitamins were found to enhance immediate free recall memory but no other cognitive domains.
Neuhouser et al (14) recently provided an excellent summary of observational and clinical trial data on dietary supplements in relation to cancer. For MVM supplements, case-control studies of cancer at various sites (eg, colon, esophagus, stomach, oropharynx, breast, cervix, bladder, prostate, and skin) suggested that benefits may exceed risks. Corresponding cohort study results, however, were mostly consistent with no association
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002916523279101
Conclusion In this large prevention trial of male physicians, daily multivitamin supplementation modestly but significantly reduced the risk of total cancer.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/1380451
yes you can cherry pick studies to prove just about anything you want. you can find “scientific” studies that prove climate change is bogus too. there’s a lot of crap science out there. look at meta-analyses and recommendations from trusted institutions like Johns Hopkins as I linked above which you clearly didn’t read.
Everyone deserves food, shelter and safety
Ok Jesus.
Whats next, everyone should be able to see a doctor if they are sick!?
This guy.
Ive had it up to here with this new testament soy boy. Wheres the brimstone? Wheres the suffering?
In my day we’d throw people out to die just for stealing an apple.
In my day, the women lusted after their lovers, whose genitals were like that of donkeys and whose emission were like horses. Ezekiel 23:20
MY God commits war crimes on a massive scale:
The earth will be shaken from its place at the wrath of the LORD of Hosts on the day of His burning anger. Like a hunted gazelle, like a sheep without a shepherd, each will return to his own people, each will flee to his native land.
Whoever is caught will be stabbed, and whoever is captured will die by the sword.
Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes, their houses will be looted, and their wives will be ravished. Isaiah 13:13-16
HBO needs to make an old testament series. I need a GoT budget thrown at the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, after at least half an hour of truely understanding their wickedness.
Best I can do is a reboot of supernatural and $3.50 .
The “wickedness” of Sodom is described as:
Ezekiel 16:49–50: “This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty, and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them when I saw it.”
later prophetic reproaches of Sodom and Gomorrah do not condemn, implicate, or even mention homosexual conduct as the reason for the cities’ destruction: instead assigning the blame to other sins, such as adultery, dishonesty,[48] and uncharitableness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah#The_sin_of_Sodom
So… pretty much America?
Adultery, dishonesty and uncharitableness…
Yeah that explains my ex pretty well. I guess fire 'n brimstone is what we gonna get
Why does it even need to be a transaction? We help each other because it’s the right thing to do. It doesn’t need to result in anything other than gratitude and happiness.
I’ve seen nothing more demonic than prosperity gospel.
Canonically, if Jesus saw a megachurch, he would start making a whip.
Would be funny if it wasn’t so sad and aggravating.
As a conservative I support this idea, because it has no means testing.
Means testing is fucked up in two ways:
- It makes government larger and gets the government asking questions, poking its nose into everything
- It creates a perverse incentive structure, one which doesn’t match nature and hence doesn’t match the way our brains evolved to respond to challenge.
The perverse incentive structure is the worse of the two, in my opinion. Just like crack cocaine hacks the brain, presents something the brain can’t handle because it didn’t evolve for, rewarding a person with resources only when they don’t succeed basically programs a person to fail.
I’m all for the government generously giving with an open hand to people, and letting the people decide when to start receiving benefits and when to stop. People are either worth it or they aren’t, and a person doesn’t stop being worth it just because they got their shit together, or start being worth it just because they failed.
Government should treat everyone the same. If a government wants to present a service like “free housing if you want it”, I’m totally fine with that.
A conservative with compassion and sense is always a welcome sight. This is a pretty obvious solution imo, but the powers that be seem to disagree.
I’m for restricting human behavior as little as possible while still allowing anyone to escape any bad situation they don’t want to be apart of.
Bingo
You shouldn’t have to work for a roof over your head and mental health support.
As a conservative
I’m all for the government generously giving with an open hand to people
“Conservative” is not exactly a rigidly-defined term, but here in the US these two lines I quoted from your comment are absolutely polar opposites.
It’s a fiscally conservative position, where fiscally conservative is defined by someone who wants the government to spend less money and have a balanced budget.
Homeless people are a net burden on the government, even if the only costs are to arrest and imprison them. Since we are already paying to house them (in prison) it would make sense instead to give them a modest place to stay and enough support to get them back to a healthy state of living. This becomes a net financial benefit because a healthy employed person pays income tax, they buy stuff and pay sales tax, etc. so the money spent to get them back on their feet is repaid and then some.
The same thing happens again when the government offers free college or vocational training to people, the amount of taxes someone pays goes up with their income, and using the government as a single-payer to these schools will help keep costs low.
Case in point: in Ontario we had a program called Second Career (it still lives on as ‘Better Jobs Ontario’ but it’s been hamstrung by the conservative government) which was funded through EI and would pay your tuition, books, supplies, and give a basic living allowance up to $28k per year if you qualify. It would cover any 2-year diploma program, with the caveat that if you failed out you would be on the hook to repay the tuition/books/supplies costs.
I did that program starting in 2009 and paid out-of-pocket (w/OSAP) for a third year to upgrade from Technician to Technologist. Prior to that, our household income was low enough that we effectively paid 0 income tax after deductions. After graduating, I tripled my income, and in the 11 or so years since I’ve doubled it again. For the ~$60k the government spent on me, they made that back in about the first 3 years after graduation and the rest has been profit from their perspective.
It’s a fiscally conservative position, where fiscally conservative is defined by someone who wants the government to spend less money and have a balanced budget.
Just to continue my point: “fiscal conservatism” has had nothing whatsoever to do with US conservatism since Ronald “Deficits Don’t Matter” Reagan blew the budget to pieces in the 1980s and started us on our debt spiral that currently has us sitting at $35 fucking trillion.
in Ontario we
Ah.
I believe in limited government. Removing means testing from government services reduces the size of government.
In the Netherlands we tend to rank our parties along left-right and progressive-conservative axes separately. Conservative-left gets you Christians who care about the poor. In other countries there’s also the “I want the government to support our workers”, “I want to go back to Soviet times” and “I’m leftist but LGBTQ is wrong” types.
It’s an interesting difference. By supporting aid to the poor, you are trying to conserve that which already exists in your country. By supporting aid to the poor, we are trying to progress beyond what already exists in our country. Same issue, same viewpoint, but because your country is so much more advanced than us already on this issue, it makes you a conservative and me a progressive.
Oh I’d never call myself a conservative, and most conservative parties here are right-wing as well.
Nooooo that money is supposed to go to hard working shareholders like nature intended!!
/s
It still blows my mind that some people cannot comprehend that not everything needs an exchange of currency in some way shape or form.
“They don’t do anything in return?” “They don’t get worse!” “But who compensates the people who help them?” “We do.” “But then who compensates us?”
Like do these people realize that if we give people the means to not just survive, but thrive, in our society which rapidly approaches post-scarcity (I’d argue we’d basically be there if we had better distribution of wealth) then they would have no reason to steal or kill? I mean except for the worst cases, but ya know… if everyone except for the truly evil has no reason or desire to do crime then…
Just saying imagine a world where police actually fought bad guys and just let social workers handled the wayward sheep, the downtrodden, and the desperate?
I view it as a form of capitalism indoctrination. If there’s no material compensation it’s a bad idea, which is the capitalist idea of “if I don’t make a profit I won’t do it”. I’ve seen people argue free energy is bad because the excess energy cannot be monetized, which is something you say only if you want to profit from energy.
The “4 out of 5” figure roughly matches what I recall being told by a head of Catholic Charities maybe a decade ago. You certainly have some percentage of people who’ve been given everything they need to be comfortable, and when you leave them alone and come back to check on them, they simply have not been able to look after themselves. But for the vast majority, it does work. People are in a safe space where they can look for work, have an address to put down on applications, and all that.
Quite affordable too; ambulance rides and jail visits aren’t cheap.
Ok, but how can Finland afford the nesting-doll yachts if they are giving out money that should have gone into billionaires’ hoards?
I can imagine nothing more miserable than having a day out on a massive expensive yacht… on the Baltic Sea.
(Regular rich people might have some fun on the ferries, but billionaires probably don’t, because this involves buying a ticket and sharing the ship with the rabble.)
One day, I wish I had a shitty old fishing boat and go slowly puttering through the rain and gloom. Living the real life.
Twitter is bad.
