The Dems and Reps are aligned on Israel because it isn’t a moral issue, but economic, which is why Biden has given Israel everything they want, including approving the invasion of Lebanon. The US supports Israel as a settler-colonial project because it helps the US secure power in the region, securing the Petro-Dollar as the world currency. This is how the US exploits the Global South, through predatory IMF loans, aka Imperialism.
Read To Stop Marx, They Made Zion. The genocide of Palestinians is for economic reasons, it cannot stop without a One-State Solution.
Someone who calls themselves a socialist but advocates actions that help fascism isn’t a socialist. They might believe in the ideals of socialism, but in practice those actions are fascist. When they use the alt-right playbook to make those same talking points, I will call that out.
Uh-huh. I don’t think you’re aware of how far left Innuendo Studios is. Ian “Pinko” Danskin doesn’t seem to be working to convince his audience to vote for Harris. You might even say he‘s discouraging it. I don’t know where he lives or how he plans to vote, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he votes for the pinko candidate, Claudia de la Cruz, especially if he doesn’t live in a swing state where his vote might actually have any effect on the outcome.
Fortunately, we can have nuance in our views. I can think Ian has done good work in some cases whilst disagreeing with his opinion in others. But regardless, he’s not using right-wing talking points, unlike a collection of about 5 accounts around here that are repeatedly posting stuff on Lemmy trying to discourage people from voting.
I played defense, I never changed the subject, and never changed the fundamentals of the argument. You made the baseless claim that Trump would be far worse for the Palestinian people, while Biden has given Israel everything and then some, without backing it up. You can’t actually answer my point so you slander me as alt-right despite advocating for Marxism.
Ooh we can add the death of a euphemism and putting words into the mouths of others (a subset of controlling the conversation) to that!
Advocating for actions that will help fascists take power isn’t advocating for Marxism. It’s advocating for fascism, regardless of how much faux-Marxist language one puts around it.
Putting words into my mouth doesn’t make them true, no matter how many times you do so.
Revolution or not isn’t even a question here. There’s concept of a revolution contained within the American ballot box in 2024 is simply unfeasible. The actions you’re advocating help the fascists. So far you have provided absolutely nothing even remotely resembling a coherent response to that. You have, however, continued to use the exact same talking points that right-wing bad-faith actors use on leftists and left-sympathetic liberals to manipulate them into doing things that are against the interests of leftism. Please stop doing that and instead focus on having a discussion in good faith.
They provided good points that you refuse to refute on nothing more than the grounds that you’ve deemed them antithetical to your own interests. That’s the right wing playbook, dude. Spewing out debate club buzzwords is not an argument.
First off, hilarious to see the mods remove comments pointing out the bipartisan genocide as “misinformation.” Never change, reddit.world.
Putting words into my mouth doesn’t make them true, no matter how many times you do so.
Fascism is Capitalism in decay. It isn’t an idea spread by dangerous people, but Capitalism’s defense mechanism. You can’t delay fascism by voting for dems, liberalism leads to fascism as Capitalism continues to decay.
Revolution or not isn’t even a question here. There’s concept of a revolution contained within the American ballot box in 2024 is simply unfeasible.
Never said it was, for someone who cries about people putting words in other’s mouths you certainly love to do it yourself.
The actions you’re advocating help the fascists.
Nope. Fascists don’t care who gets voted for, that’s not how fascism grows in power.
So far you have provided absolutely nothing even remotely resembling a coherent response to that.
For clarity, your issue with the statement that “the only way to avoid fascism is revolution, and legitimizing Democrat and Republican rule only gets in the way of that” is that it isn’t “coherent?”
You have, however, continued to use the exact same talking points that right-wing bad-faith actors use on leftists and left-sympathetic liberals to manipulate them into doing things that are against the interests of leftism. Please stop doing that and instead focus on having a discussion in good faith.
Not at all true, and you know it, too. The fact that I am a Marxist, arguing along Marxist lines, does not make me a “right-wing bad-faith actor.” I have argued my points on fascism and electoralism, your response is largely “you’re a right winger actually,” there’s nothing to engage with.
They are doing the same amount of genocide, whether their voterbase is gleeful or sorrowful doesn’t change the material reality of the genocide.
Try to make your point without spouting misinformation.
The Dems and Reps are aligned on Israel because it isn’t a moral issue, but economic, which is why Biden has given Israel everything they want, including approving the invasion of Lebanon. The US supports Israel as a settler-colonial project because it helps the US secure power in the region, securing the Petro-Dollar as the world currency. This is how the US exploits the Global South, through predatory IMF loans, aka Imperialism.
Read To Stop Marx, They Made Zion. The genocide of Palestinians is for economic reasons, it cannot stop without a One-State Solution.
In the above comment, we see the following items directly out of the alt-right playbook:
Why is @[email protected] using the alt-right playbook for their online argumentation? I’ll leave that up to the reader.
😂 You see, the socialists are the real fascists. Ian Danskin would be horrified to see this perversion of his work.
Someone who calls themselves a socialist but advocates actions that help fascism isn’t a socialist. They might believe in the ideals of socialism, but in practice those actions are fascist. When they use the alt-right playbook to make those same talking points, I will call that out.
Uh-huh. I don’t think you’re aware of how far left Innuendo Studios is. Ian “Pinko” Danskin doesn’t seem to be working to convince his audience to vote for Harris. You might even say he‘s discouraging it. I don’t know where he lives or how he plans to vote, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he votes for the pinko candidate, Claudia de la Cruz, especially if he doesn’t live in a swing state where his vote might actually have any effect on the outcome.
Fortunately, we can have nuance in our views. I can think Ian has done good work in some cases whilst disagreeing with his opinion in others. But regardless, he’s not using right-wing talking points, unlike a collection of about 5 accounts around here that are repeatedly posting stuff on Lemmy trying to discourage people from voting.
I played defense, I never changed the subject, and never changed the fundamentals of the argument. You made the baseless claim that Trump would be far worse for the Palestinian people, while Biden has given Israel everything and then some, without backing it up. You can’t actually answer my point so you slander me as alt-right despite advocating for Marxism.
Ooh we can add the death of a euphemism and putting words into the mouths of others (a subset of controlling the conversation) to that!
Advocating for actions that will help fascists take power isn’t advocating for Marxism. It’s advocating for fascism, regardless of how much faux-Marxist language one puts around it.
You’ve advocated for voting for fascism, I have explained that revolution is necessary. Pretty simple!
Putting words into my mouth doesn’t make them true, no matter how many times you do so.
Revolution or not isn’t even a question here. There’s concept of a revolution contained within the American ballot box in 2024 is simply unfeasible. The actions you’re advocating help the fascists. So far you have provided absolutely nothing even remotely resembling a coherent response to that. You have, however, continued to use the exact same talking points that right-wing bad-faith actors use on leftists and left-sympathetic liberals to manipulate them into doing things that are against the interests of leftism. Please stop doing that and instead focus on having a discussion in good faith.
They provided good points that you refuse to refute on nothing more than the grounds that you’ve deemed them antithetical to your own interests. That’s the right wing playbook, dude. Spewing out debate club buzzwords is not an argument.
First off, hilarious to see the mods remove comments pointing out the bipartisan genocide as “misinformation.” Never change, reddit.world.
Fascism is Capitalism in decay. It isn’t an idea spread by dangerous people, but Capitalism’s defense mechanism. You can’t delay fascism by voting for dems, liberalism leads to fascism as Capitalism continues to decay.
Never said it was, for someone who cries about people putting words in other’s mouths you certainly love to do it yourself.
Nope. Fascists don’t care who gets voted for, that’s not how fascism grows in power.
For clarity, your issue with the statement that “the only way to avoid fascism is revolution, and legitimizing Democrat and Republican rule only gets in the way of that” is that it isn’t “coherent?”
Not at all true, and you know it, too. The fact that I am a Marxist, arguing along Marxist lines, does not make me a “right-wing bad-faith actor.” I have argued my points on fascism and electoralism, your response is largely “you’re a right winger actually,” there’s nothing to engage with.