Ooh we can add the death of a euphemism and putting words into the mouths of others (a subset of controlling the conversation) to that!
Advocating for actions that will help fascists take power isn’t advocating for Marxism. It’s advocating for fascism, regardless of how much faux-Marxist language one puts around it.
Putting words into my mouth doesn’t make them true, no matter how many times you do so.
Revolution or not isn’t even a question here. There’s concept of a revolution contained within the American ballot box in 2024 is simply unfeasible. The actions you’re advocating help the fascists. So far you have provided absolutely nothing even remotely resembling a coherent response to that. You have, however, continued to use the exact same talking points that right-wing bad-faith actors use on leftists and left-sympathetic liberals to manipulate them into doing things that are against the interests of leftism. Please stop doing that and instead focus on having a discussion in good faith.
They provided good points that you refuse to refute on nothing more than the grounds that you’ve deemed them antithetical to your own interests. That’s the right wing playbook, dude. Spewing out debate club buzzwords is not an argument.
The one near the top of the chain that’s removed. That made the arguments about how our country’s interests in the middle east are derived from economic concerns, rather than moral ones. I got to read it before it was deleted but they worded it a lot better than that. Nevermind it’s in the mod log, here you go:
Removed Comment The Dems and Reps are aligned on Israel because it isn’t a moral issue, but economic, which is why Biden has given Israel everything they want, including approving the invasion of Lebanon. The US supports Israel as a settler-colonial project because it helps the US secure power in the region, securing the Petro-Dollar as the world currency. This is how the US exploits the Global South, through predatory IMF loans, aka Imperialism. Read To Stop Marx, They Made Zion. The genocide of Palestinians is for economic reasons, it cannot stop without a One-State Solution. by Cowbee [he/him]
reason: Misinformation
I mean, for starters this argument states as fact a number of points that are questionable. Sure, I’ll grant the US holds Israel up as a strategic point in the Middle East. We do the same around the world and so do other nations in support of the same. Russia did/does the same thing with Cuba, for instance.
The rest of the argument about petrodollars, economics, one-state solutions, and IMF loans is conspiracy theory and conjecture masqueraded as fact. One book about it doesn’t make it true. It’s not worth disproving because the poster is gish-galloping garbage.
First off, hilarious to see the mods remove comments pointing out the bipartisan genocide as “misinformation.” Never change, reddit.world.
Putting words into my mouth doesn’t make them true, no matter how many times you do so.
Fascism is Capitalism in decay. It isn’t an idea spread by dangerous people, but Capitalism’s defense mechanism. You can’t delay fascism by voting for dems, liberalism leads to fascism as Capitalism continues to decay.
Revolution or not isn’t even a question here. There’s concept of a revolution contained within the American ballot box in 2024 is simply unfeasible.
Never said it was, for someone who cries about people putting words in other’s mouths you certainly love to do it yourself.
The actions you’re advocating help the fascists.
Nope. Fascists don’t care who gets voted for, that’s not how fascism grows in power.
So far you have provided absolutely nothing even remotely resembling a coherent response to that.
For clarity, your issue with the statement that “the only way to avoid fascism is revolution, and legitimizing Democrat and Republican rule only gets in the way of that” is that it isn’t “coherent?”
You have, however, continued to use the exact same talking points that right-wing bad-faith actors use on leftists and left-sympathetic liberals to manipulate them into doing things that are against the interests of leftism. Please stop doing that and instead focus on having a discussion in good faith.
Not at all true, and you know it, too. The fact that I am a Marxist, arguing along Marxist lines, does not make me a “right-wing bad-faith actor.” I have argued my points on fascism and electoralism, your response is largely “you’re a right winger actually,” there’s nothing to engage with.
Ooh we can add the death of a euphemism and putting words into the mouths of others (a subset of controlling the conversation) to that!
Advocating for actions that will help fascists take power isn’t advocating for Marxism. It’s advocating for fascism, regardless of how much faux-Marxist language one puts around it.
You’ve advocated for voting for fascism, I have explained that revolution is necessary. Pretty simple!
Putting words into my mouth doesn’t make them true, no matter how many times you do so.
Revolution or not isn’t even a question here. There’s concept of a revolution contained within the American ballot box in 2024 is simply unfeasible. The actions you’re advocating help the fascists. So far you have provided absolutely nothing even remotely resembling a coherent response to that. You have, however, continued to use the exact same talking points that right-wing bad-faith actors use on leftists and left-sympathetic liberals to manipulate them into doing things that are against the interests of leftism. Please stop doing that and instead focus on having a discussion in good faith.
They provided good points that you refuse to refute on nothing more than the grounds that you’ve deemed them antithetical to your own interests. That’s the right wing playbook, dude. Spewing out debate club buzzwords is not an argument.
Please provide the specific points they’ve made, in neutral language
Sure, restore the post and I’ll be more than happy to copy and paste it for you.
Restore what post?
The one near the top of the chain that’s removed. That made the arguments about how our country’s interests in the middle east are derived from economic concerns, rather than moral ones. I got to read it before it was deleted but they worded it a lot better than that. Nevermind it’s in the mod log, here you go:
I mean, for starters this argument states as fact a number of points that are questionable. Sure, I’ll grant the US holds Israel up as a strategic point in the Middle East. We do the same around the world and so do other nations in support of the same. Russia did/does the same thing with Cuba, for instance.
The rest of the argument about petrodollars, economics, one-state solutions, and IMF loans is conspiracy theory and conjecture masqueraded as fact. One book about it doesn’t make it true. It’s not worth disproving because the poster is gish-galloping garbage.
First off, hilarious to see the mods remove comments pointing out the bipartisan genocide as “misinformation.” Never change, reddit.world.
Fascism is Capitalism in decay. It isn’t an idea spread by dangerous people, but Capitalism’s defense mechanism. You can’t delay fascism by voting for dems, liberalism leads to fascism as Capitalism continues to decay.
Never said it was, for someone who cries about people putting words in other’s mouths you certainly love to do it yourself.
Nope. Fascists don’t care who gets voted for, that’s not how fascism grows in power.
For clarity, your issue with the statement that “the only way to avoid fascism is revolution, and legitimizing Democrat and Republican rule only gets in the way of that” is that it isn’t “coherent?”
Not at all true, and you know it, too. The fact that I am a Marxist, arguing along Marxist lines, does not make me a “right-wing bad-faith actor.” I have argued my points on fascism and electoralism, your response is largely “you’re a right winger actually,” there’s nothing to engage with.