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How is that a stance on transgender people? This seems like you’ve gone fishing for something controversial for a hatchet job.
Just to be clear, the person in question is, I assume, the Algerian boxer, who was born female.
Tankies don’t be stupid challenge.
Difficulty: IMPOSSIBLE
And here I thought both transactivism and transphobia were clearly promoted by Russia to create discord in the west. It would kind of track with what Yuri Bezmenov was saying back in 1984: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yErKTVdETpw
But if you disagree with the person who created the software you’re using, why on earth does that bother you? It doesn’t become unholy because of their touch. You can think of it like the old saying goes: “They Capitalists will sell us the rope that we will use to hang them”.
This comment really feels like a reply to something. Taking sarcastic comments out of context to paint a person badly doesn’t feel good.Edit: Source: https://lemmy.world/comment/11541457
Turns out, that they are indeed, a piece of shit.
Average Lemmy.ml user.
Communists are being pretty explicitly anti-liberal, and they make that a point pretty often.
And is becomes clear eventually as you see their posts and read their comments that these people aren’t misunderstanding liberals, they’re pretty aware that both in the meaning of the word and in practice, “liberals” generally want people to be free from shackles and free to do most anything. Typically summarized along the lines of “as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone, do what you want”.
Communists don’t agree with liberalism.
Communists want to demand much more of people and permit much less. They have much more in common with Putin’s extant but inflated voterbase than they like to admit. Even with Putin not being a communist.
Communists don’t even agree with communists
Just go ahead and conflate outright tankies and ML’s with the entire communist space, sure, whatever. You ended up with “Communists want to take your toothbrush” level of analysis just because you paint too broadly.
The problem with liberalism isn’t that they champion liberty, it’s that they are woefully incapable of challenging systems of power, and that just enables the present biases and power imbalances in the system, ultimately always leading to fascist tendencies and sometimes an actual slip into fascism.
And that’s the beef the communist community at large has with liberals. They would theoretically be an ally, but will actually align with the fascists more often than with socialists/communists because they know fascists will ultimately still preserve upper class business interests.
I won’t say that your critique isn’t salient, it does fit in with what a lot of tankies seem to believe, as they regularly champion state power, but it always irks me when people only interact with online jackasses and then assume that all people who subscribe to a similar ideology share in those opinions.
Communists regularly act like they couldn’t be militant for liberal ideas. That the very act of getting serious requires dropping the tricolore banner and shedding the rainbow cloak to wield the hammer and sickle.
As if specific allyship to the repestedly failed methods of communism is necessary for the fight, but fighting to reimplement and expand on the occassionally very successful methods of liberal, welfare focused, regulatory and tax heavy Europe and America is seen as completely nonviable.
Spitting on pre-Reagan nation builders and embracing miserable failures whose only success was rallying and overthrowing, with no intelligent followup. Communism is dogmatic, it is stupid. It is technically bad at solving the problem of inequality.
As if everyone else who has given much thought to solving it was wrong, unless they embrace Marx specifically, and embrace him wholly, not just in part for a few important controbutions in an otherwise not very useful body of literary works.
This almost reads like satire in the context of my previous comment. I say you paint with too broad a stroke and don’t engage with communist ideas but only with a subset, you double down. I say liberals can’t grapple with the inherent flaws of the system and are unwilling to think outside it, you demonstrate it.
Where do you think you got the ideas for worker’s rights and heavy taxation of the wealthy? You think social democracy isn’t just one facet of the socialist critique of capitalism? You think you just fell out of the coconut tree?
I have no interest in adjuticating your point of view seeing as you’re unwilling to enage with mine, but the fact that you think all communists are marxist-leninists is comical. Even more, there are plenty of communists who aren’t even marxists. And not just communists, the whole left of liberal space is far more diverse than that. There’s anarchists, there’s anarcho-communists, there’s mutualists, syndicalists, on and on we go. There have been decades upon decades of work and thought put into the current, and it looks far more different than you could apparently fathom.
Once again, I ask you to stop looking at what internet ML chambers and anti-communist propaganda claims communism to be. There’s a lot more out there that you might perhaps agree with, if you were willing to engage in anything more than milquetoast tweaks to an inherently unjust system.
I say specifically Marx gets credit, but he is not a man with endless brilliant solutions.
And the communists I talk about are the ones I see. The core of the movement. That includes the majority that are much more ignorant than I, whose main interest in these ideologies is purely vibes and aesthetics with a couple of arguments stored away in the back of their mind.
Not the niche thinkers who most of them haven’t read.
These are our letters to eachother. Conversations that may as well find an audience of one as a million. Those who print their words on paper are not nearly as prolific as those who share them freely in this environment.
You lose modern politics reliably because you do not understand them. Your only surviving stock to champion the cause are either small and struggling, or they are no longer your champions at all. The movement never lasts, because it’s passionate, but stupid.
I’m not a liberal by any stretch.
I’m sure you’re not. Conservative and authoritarian is the way the middle of this century is going.
LOL you live in a different reality. Also, MLs are authoritarians. Do you believe otherwise?
I wonder if the lead developers of Lemmy, and other federated software, who are also admins and mods of instances and communities, realize that they too are part of the bourgeoisie they rail so hard against? Then again, they probably have a whole gymnastics routine for how they somehow are not part of the aristocracy.
Hot take. Let’s just say that anyone who makes anything anyone else uses and feels dependent on is a part of the bourgeoise now, amirite?
They are. They don’t think about it.
Nutomic is a nepo-baby who feels guilty about being rich and rightfully so, ah, but he doesn’t feel guilty to the point of giving it away.
How TF are the developers of Lemmy part of the bourgeoisie? Or the aristocracy, which is different BTW?
Liberals simply don’t know what any of those words mean, or they’d be a social democrat at worst.
Classical Marxist/Lenninism is specifically not intersectional. They’ll use race as a lever against capitalism but deny race as a social problem they must specifically intervene on. But it’s also stupid to adopt. There’s a reason TERFs are often fascist adjacent.
I think it’s like saying that Marxism isn’t… let’s say, Nietzschean. Those are two ways of looking into problems. In some points, they’ll coincide; in others, they won’t. I’m bad at analogies. Anyway, if you’re a Nietzschean (in this case, if you believe intersectionality is the proper way of looking at social phenomena), of course Marxism (probably in all its different branches) will look incomplete and like they’re building from the wrong premises to you. But if you were Marxist, you’d think the same of Nietzschean philosophy (or intersectionality).
I’m sure both have excellent reasons to believe in a framework or another, but we should not forget they are just that, not truth™. I say this not to fall into an absolute relativism but to prevent any side from falling into a conviction of moral superiority. We cannot be so sure about it.
There are plenty of early leninists who were deeply intersectional. Alexandra Kollontai jumps to mind immediately.
But yeah, there’s definitely a vulgar strain here that nutomic is clinging to.
@[email protected] can you comment on this statement, or at least its veracity? Kind of fucking alarming even if it was a private correspondence. Sure as hell gonna make it (more) impossible for me to convince my trans siblings to join Lemmy if shit like this is allowed to fly. And I’m sure a lot of us are in similar boats.
It’d probably help if you told them about blahaj instead of trying to pick a beef with a single code monkey you don’t have to interact with.
I very much do not want beef with @[email protected]. I want clarity.
I decided to actually tag him because maybe seeing a voice that’s “new to him” would get him to respond since he hasn’t responded yet anywhere (as of writing) and I didn’t see anyone else having tagged him.
I commented in public because I want to be transparent about what I say and what he says in the low chance he responds, so that there’s no mucking about with screenshots and “leaking private messages”.
I want him to understand that this is a serious issue that could jeopardize his life’s work and not just someone trying to get “dunk points” on him.
It’d probably help if you told them about blahaj
Already have, lol. So the instance is trans-inclusive, but how can I convince them that the software is trans-inclusive and isn’t systemically biased against them? They’re not technical people; I’ve tried explaining the difference between federated and corporate social media.
Show your siblings https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/
Who is that douche?
Lemmy lead dev
Is it a pre-requisite to be a smug douche if you’re going to run a social media platform now?
Man… I miss Tom.
He develops it, doesn’t run it
If you make the platform, you can influence it through design decisions. It’s far more subtle than what spez did, but it’s still an effective method of control.
If they do, it gets called out, like the slur filter from a while ago
Forks can and will exist though, so it’s not all bad
I’m looking forward to mbin, Sublinks, and piefed being primetime ready
Too bad the LW admins are too busy sucking off the .ml admins to defederate from them.
I use Jerboa and have already blocked the @lemmy.ml instance. There were calls to make that a thing with lent itself but I don’t think it ever happened.
There were also suggestions to do more of the defederstions in a “soft” way, by means of adding the instance to the block list of any user on the instance that wants to defederate it. Reversible by any user that wants full access with their main user.
From what little I understand about how Lemmy works and what the goals of the Fediverse are, this sounded like a much better way to do things.
Lemmy’s options for blocking and restricting are too limited, and it’s also a bummer there’s not an option for providing a reason for a block or restriction in the federated instances view. I think it all ties into Lemmy’s issue with “moderating tools are not an emphasis”
I used to be hopeful for Lemmy.world. that time has passed me by. Now they’re in the good riddance pile with sh.itjust.works. I’ve come to respect the beehaw admins the more time passes and the more it becomes obvious that was the move. Those instances don’t take moderation serious, and as a result they’re festering danger zones. You get a lot of good takes from Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works users who don’t realize instance choice says something about you, but the overall tone of those two instances and Lemm.ee is not an overall tone I’m interested in experiencing as my general instances
I’m sorry if I misunderstand, but are you saying a good instance heavily engages in tone policing?
If I’m not misunderstanding, I hope you realize that would imply you only want to ever read a word from like the gentlest 2‰ of humanity.
Because why would the bourgeoisie want the masses fighting each other? Though he’s wrong anyway because the elite didn’t promote anything that doesn’t benefit them financially. While that includes turning the poor against each other, it also includes selling anything in any form to anyone regardless of want moral, ethical, or practical factors. If they can get you to pay them money for something with a rainbow on it, congrats, they’re pro-lgbtq. Because they’ve got another subsidiary that will sell the hate-fueled psychopaths that want to kill you their Bibles and.
he sounds like hes pointing out hypocrisy on someone elses comment
am missing somethimg?
Ah, observe how the tankies come in to defend transphobia.
Yeah. That transgender is not a “topic”. It’s human and doesn’t have to be repressed any more. And haters hate that
it sounds like this person is counter arguing with someone else who made it a topic
No it sounds like they think transgenderism is a topic that is promoted, not a human quirk
Well, those were certainly words.
As a reminder, luckily code does not mean understanding… It’s just the right words in the right order. The code itself is blameless, it’s not great code or anything (and on request, I can be extremely precise in my criticisms), but it’s good enough to be used for good things
What the fuck is that guy on about???
#JustTankieThings
It defies logic.
The Olympics thing is misinfo that spread around after a boxing match https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/08/02/imane-khelif-olympics-boxing/
No I know about that.
But what the fuck do trans have to do with the bourgeoisie???
If anything most of the ones I know are anticapitalist.
@cyborganism @GammaGames There’s a particular category of “leftist” who, to put it gently, have a greatly simplified view of the world in which “the only war is class war.” They regard social issues such as anti-racism, feminism, queer liberation as distractions from the “true” cause of bringing about a new economic system - unimportant at best, active interference invented by the ruling class at worst.
Basically, they’re narrow-minded bigots.
Which is so fucking dumb because they’re actively resisting the class awakening that we all need to have. That these divisions and culture wars we have are a distraction from the true communal love we could all experience and push to topple the hierarchical system. These fucking regressive morons are standing in the way of their own revolution
I’d argue that they aren’t entirely wrong, just coming to the entirely wrong conclusion.
It absolutely benefits the 1% to have people fighting about stuff that keeps them out if the crosshairs, but the solution isn’t to be an asshole and stamp out any attempts at progress in culture and acceptance. The solution is to accept people and progress cultural stuff faster to unite people better.
If you’re going to be militant about the class war, don’t you want as many allies as possible? Within reason of course, don’t want bigoted assholes.
That’s the thing. Dessalines and Nutomic are the bigoted assholes the rest of us should be telling to fuck right off because they’re getting in the way of our class awakening. They think they’re adovocating for true liberation when their way of going about it slows things down. They are tools of capital holders when they pull shit like this
@wizardbeard Oh yeah, totally - it’s not like the 1% doesn’t use these things to its advantage. Don’t take my comment as making the mistake of ignoring that. It’s just myopic at best to act like other forms of oppression can be ignored as long as we ensure economic liberation. And a lot of the people spouting that opinion… well, there’s a reason they think bigotry isn’t a problem - they suck.
Like Europeans who are targeting the Roma people.
Not sure how that relates? Thats just Europeans being racist which is extremely common and irritating
I think all bigotry can be used as a wedge to divide working people from their own interests. I wouldn’t be surprised if Romani bigotry was used to control Europeans in the past. However, I think immigration is the most important wedge in the European context
Man I wanna be banned by this guy too he seems like a dick :3
How are you going to get your first developer funded in donations when you say stuff like that?
This guy also insisted on keeping the nazi instance explodingheads listed under ‘recommended instances’ on joinlemmy.org.
Weird fucking thing for a leftist to do, isn’t it? Dessalines and Nutomic both claimed it was because they were free speech absolutists. Meanwhile saying China is performing a genocide against the Uigher people is a gaurunteed instaban with the explanation “orientalism”
That’s because they’re not leftists. Most of the tankies on Lemmy probably aren’t. I’m sure some of them are people who get swept up in the tide of favoring mockery over patience and compassion while actually believing leftist political positions, but it’s pretty clear what the bulk of them are doing.
They’re corporate or authoritarian government plants trying to break the coalition of left and center. They’re doing everything they can to make both look unreasonable and unhinged in the eyes of the other. Demotivating leftists from endorsing centrists who lean their way, while making centrists feel targeted and deeided by the left.
It’s way easier to break coalitions and sew chaos than it is to drive engagement and unity. It literally takes less thinking, less precision, and less strategy.
The actual claim was to keep these people on that instance to make defederation easier. Which doesn’t work, but AFAIK no one ever claimed to be “free speech absolutists”.
FTFY: https://join-lemmy.org/
I just found out that beehaw is not on their list of 579 Servers. Does anyone know why? Today the list is not called recomended instances anymore.
People who don’t like free speech on here are sorely confused as to the purpose of activitypub and lemmy, they were explicitly designed to be censorship resistant so that people could express controversial opinions without being silenced - they already understand that people who dislike free speech won’t support them, thankfully this project doesn’t need much support and there are some free speech supporters that do donate even if they don’t agree with every single opinion of every dev involved.
Yep, this just prevented me, a trans woman, from ever donating to the main Lemmy project. I’m severely disappointed. I’ll donate only to good instances with leadership I know aren’t phobic.
This literally ignores the experiences of trans people, all of whom lost something in order to transition, and many everything. The system is being weaponized against us at every level. What an ignorant thing to say.
Right! Think about how two-spirited folks were loved and supported by the First Nations communities for thousands of years before Europeans stepped foot into turtle island.
Bruuuh it frustrates me to no end how capitalism creates a culture of emptiness by scooping out of us all sense of community, compassion, and humanity. It takes everything worth living for away from us and holds it hostage from us, telling us we can have it if we spend the money, give it to the capital holders.
There’s always https://sublinks.org/
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