PS.
I would for vote Kamala. I would vote for a cactus with sunglasses if it had the Democratic nomination. You would do yourself well to consider anything that is weaking the resolve of the anti-trump sentiment straight poison to your brain. We have only one job this novemeber and that is to stop trump. The Supreme Court has given him the status of king. Quit acting like your vote is sacred and start realizing your vote is your final cry before your rights are forfeited.
That stupid Adam Schiff keeps telling Biden to drop out. I think Schiff-head needs to shut the hell up. Is now really the time to undermine confidence in the incumbent?
Don’t let “not ideal” be the enemy of “replacing Biden for a candidate that can beat Trump.”
4 months before the election?? Are you a sleeper Republican agent, or just utterly clueless?
Not a single person thinking of voting Democrat will change their mind if Biden gets pulled. Literally 0.
Exactly replacing Biden will get more votes than not replacing Biden, it’s a purely positive move.
I am clueless Europen, from here it looks like Biden already lost elections and that putting anyone else would mean that Trump will lose.
Than again, this might be just what media is selling me and people around me think.
No it’s clear as day here too for anyone who has ever stepped foot out of their preachy pundit bubble.
Be honest. He’s totally senile and not fit to run a bridge club.
Stick with him and you deserve to lose.
I always like to point out that the people on the far right are always going to vote, and they are always going to vote for the Republican candidate no matter what. Even if you feel like there aren’t any “good candidates” you should still vote because even getting a less than ideal president is better than just doing nothing and letting Trump become a dictator for life
The only real solve is for several people to devote their lives to seeming like milquetoast centre right Democrats, getting into a majority of high ranking committee positions, and then all turn left at once and effect sweeping reforms to the entire platforms
It’s impossible. You would have to be able to fake “real housewives” type social discourse and be able to social climb in that environment. It guarantees only dumb, thoughtless, bite backing, people will ever hold seats of power. Else you risk GOP game of thrones style politics where the GOAT is a spray tanned ballsack with a golden comb over.
Exactly why I bothered to describe a comically implausible scenario for everyone’s enjoyment.
I think I’m out of jokes for now, at least until we find out one of Trump’s kids has a mysterious illness that can only be treated by a tall drunk with a disquieting gaze.
IMO, the solutionis changing how we vote so the disenfranchised are encouraged to participate. More voters equals more democratic votes. So why arent democrats taking these easy votes? All it takes is passing electoral reform in the states they control.
Because that would lose more moderates than the leftists itd gain. The electorate is a third fascist, a third conservative, about a sixth leftist and a sixth social democrat
dictator for life LMAO 🤣
This is soooooo fucking stupid. The voters who you need to turn out in Wisconsin don’t already agree with you. Yelling at socialists who live in NY and California on Lemmy isn’t going to change the vote of an Obama-Trump-Biden-Trump voter in a swing state, who probably has VERY weird politics and 100% is not going to be yelled at into voting for Biden. Sorry. You have no power to change this outcome, nor do the socialists you Blue MAGAs spend all day downvoting. It’s over. You lost when you let them put Biden in despite being 300 years old 4 years ago.
100% is not going to be yelled at into voting for Biden.
But if you just shame them harder, or maybe tell them Democracy is even MORE on the line than ever ever, pinky promise (sorry we played this card then we didn’t even bother to prosecute the guy who put democracy on the line right before the election and whoopsie it went all fucky wucky and the clock ran out).
There is a culture of trolling and abuse that has been allowed to foment on lemmy where the only acceptable view is effectively a form of diet-facism that comes from within the culture around the DNC, where questioning the decisions and strategies of people who are objectively bad at winning elections is simply disallowed.
This thing’s over with Biden as candidate, and BNMW earned the L.
They didnt not prosecute him, sycophantic courts managed to delay until this point, and then scotus granted him immunity. That outcome should’ve been obvious when an impeachment couldnt even get through
Yep, democrats will do anything but appeal to the voters they actually need. Hillary didn’t campaign in Michigan and spent a fortune in campaign money in Texas, but they’re still blaming her loss on Jill Stein (as if people that would rather vote third party in a swing state would switch to the democrats if only you yelled at them enough).
Biden lost critical swing state Muslims, a swathe of Gen Z and there’s probably a bunch of independents that do care about the age issue and also don’t see the “great economy” Biden keeps talking about.
Idk how to tell you this. They dont need ledtists nearly as much as they need Obama-Ttump-Biden suburbanites in Wisconsin. Even jf you got a replacement candidate, they’d just be a moderate. Because an actual leftist is probably the only thing that would lose even harder
I’m not the one who put in Biden you dip shit. I primaried against him in 2020, was vocally against him in 2021, 2022, and 2023.
You fucking wish that a biden win is impossible. You are the trumper and the fascist and everything that goes with it because effectively, everything you do is for him.
Yes, everyone is a secret Trumper or a Russian bot. You in no way sound insane and this in no way turns off voters in contention in swing states to the democratic party and Biden. You’re doing a great job.
Who knew it was the guy online who was passionate about stopping trump that gave “everyone in the swing states” the ick.
Apologies.
“Blue MAGAs” “It’s over. You lost”
This troll has no intention of having a meaningful discussion. He lives in a bizarre reality where voting against a rapist, dictator, and felon is the same as going full cock in hand for an authoritarian. Block him and move on.
“Blue MAGA” What fucking fascist circlejerk birthed that nonsense?
The term has been around for just over a year.
AKA Blue Fash/ Blue MAGA/ BNMW (But actually only Biden).
It started as a descriptor for those defending Biden running again (when it was a literal campaign promise that he would stick to one term). Got more traction when the DNC cancelled/ disallowed any debates that would have put Biden on stage and have him challenged from within the party. The DNC pushed for a coronation and fed the line that anyone challenging this was “for Trump” through their various mainstream and alternative outlets.
Dummies ate it up, and post October, say, November, when it was clear that Biden was taking the wrong side of the Gaza/ Israel issue and he started to see challenges to his policies from within the party, thats when the Blue MAGA rhetoric really got going. Its rhetorically very similar to what we saw coming from r/TheDonald in the earliest days of the MAGA movement. No space for nuance, gaslit trolling, vote-shaming, etc.
When we saw a write in campaign for Undecided, that should have been the “SLAM ON BREAKS/ PULL HANDLE TO STOP” moment for Joe Biden, but Blue MAGA, in both mainstream and social media, worked to prevent a serious discussion around Joe Biden until very recently, when it became so appealingly glaring that he couldn’t win, even their abuse wasn’t enough to halt the conversation.
It started as a descriptor for those defending Biden running again (when it was a literal campaign promise that he would stick to one term).
It literally wasn’t a campaign promise. I know all you ever do is misrepresent things. But for Christ’s sake at least put basic effort into making it hard to fact check your lies when you troll. “Aids signaling he might be a one term president” doesn’t constitute a campaign promise.
Axios doesn’t agree with you:
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/03/biden-campaign-democrats-pledge-one-term
What this axios? From the literal link you just posted?
**The big picture: **Biden never made an explicit public promise to serve just one term — though Politico reported that he had privately told advisers that he wouldn’t run again.
You’re actually getting worse. Posting stuff that disagrees with you as support.
The bottom line: Biden’s 2020 promises might not matter much to voters in the grand scheme of things, according to Fowler. “If the voters believed that Joe Biden was the best person for the job, and they were excited to vote for him, they would still be happy to vote for him regardless of whether he had said in 2020 that he was likely to be a one-term president or was just going to be a short-term bridge,” he said. “Unfortunately, there aren’t a lot of voters who are enthusiastic about voting for Biden right now.”
It was a campaign promise dude. It was in his rhetoric. He said it several times. Was it litterally in his platform? Did he sign a contract? No but thats never how campaign promises work. Trump said he was going to build a wall. Was it in his campaigns platform? No. Does that still make it a promise? Yes.
You are being obtuse if you think that’s how campaign promises are made.
No no no, people were shutting down anti-joe sentiment since the 2020 election. It’s not blue MAGA it’s corporate control. Reddit was being commercialized and anything left of Joe was bad for business. Lemmy is a silo so when people transitioned after the mod strike they were finally allowed to say the fucking truth. Unfortunately the tankies and right wing ideologues got here first because they were driven from reddit long before the leftists.
Most people were fine with the fact we had to throw down for joe again but because of obvious discourse bad actors have been amplifying in-fighting just about the time when there was nothing left anyone could do. They did the same thing with Bernie in 2016 and guess what, it’s working again.
This whole sub is a testament to it, April, May, June, none of my memes would have gotten traction.
I think this (if a bit dated) macro highlights the definition fairly well:
The know your meme article is worth a read. We’re both wrong on dates. It was coined in 2017. Obviously its usage has transformed several times, and I think my defintiion is probably the most accurate current working definition, specifically for the period from post WI/ MI/ MN primaries to now. Its the definition Jon Stewart used recently.
Another example is MSNBC host Joy Reid saying she would vote for Joe Biden if he was in a coma. Or Whoopi saying she would vote for Joe Biden even if he was shitting his pants on stage.
And this is the whole rhetorical point. It doesn’t matter that these Blue MAGA have incredibly low standards or are only interested this one guy. Saying you want insist on running the comatose pants shitter is not convincing to others and its losing Democrats the elections, entirely. Hence the actual panic in the Democratic party at this point, because Joe Biden’s down ballot impacts are that you give team red a super majority in BOTH the house and the senate.
If you actually care about winning the election, its not about you being convinced of something; its about what is going take to convince a majority of people other than you of something.
Most people were fine with the fact we had to throw down for joe again
See. This is just not TRUE. Its not supported by the data. Look at the previous 450 days of polling. Look at the write in campaigns when the DNC shut-down anything resembling a real primary. You have to come to terms with the actual material fact that no, most Democrats right now do not want Joe Biden as candidate. This intentional ignoring of the facts is what qualifies as Blue MAGA behaviror.
Polling data is notoriously shit. Joe won the primaries in 2020 and a better candidate has not emerged since. 2020 showed us that both candidates were not popular. Ever.
In fact, Joe gets less credit then he deserves because he has done phenomenal for being a fucking useless dinosaur.
Blue MAGA is thought terminating terminology and I will never submit to your fucking bullshit. I didn’t when you were screaming “alt-left” and I won’t wen you start saying blue-fash. You want the fucking “both sides” argument so hard and it’s absolute shit.
Blue MAGA
If you’ve lost your connection to reality, and it seems like you have, I don’t know what other term to use for you. And its accurate in the sense that Red MAGA and now, you, with Blue MAGA, are in a cult that has completely detached its self from reality. The only thing guiding your rhetoric is your fear and your feelings. You have nothing to back up your argument for supporting Biden. When confronted with reality, you dismiss it.
Its sad to see whats happened to supposed “leftists”.
You are a walking definition of Blue MAGA.
And like clockwork, here you are.
How does it feel to be on the losing side of history AGAIN?!
“I don’t know why you get up in the morning, you’re just gonna die eventually anyway”
- bad_news (probably)
Easier just to block some folks.
Yes plug your ears to anyone who disagrees with you
lol you say you were against Biden until 2023? And now you’re this? Congratulations, you stand for absolutely nothing.
I hope Biden wins. And then I want him to go to The Hague. Y’all gotta quit pretending that Biden is the only thing saving your country from fascism. It’s an embarrassment.
You’re the embarrassment. Ushering in fascism and pretending you’re better than anyone. People dead in the streets you’ll sit at home drinking your own piss thinking, “I sure told that guy online once.”
Ushering in fascism and pretending you’re better than anyone.
Or maybe thats you?
Ok, let’s here it. How am I ushering fasicm.
Let me guess:
Im the one letting biden be the dnc candidate? Laughable
No one polling at his levels has won a Federal office, ever. Not once.
Biden can’t win. Its just what it is. He’s too unpopular with his own party, with likely Democrat voters, with Independents. And that was the case before his disastrous debate performance (and the extended disaster encoure he’s offered post-debate). Its just plain, boring as cake fact that this particular candidate is losing the election, severely. Its pretty well established that due to a variety of factors, we need to see a Democrat polling at 8-+ their competition nationally to be break even on election day, and ideally 12+ to be comfortable. Biden was up on Trump 8 going into election day, and barely squeaked by. 40k votes in like 3 counties in swing states made the entire difference. That victory was so tight it made our buttholes squeak.
You can’t stop fascism/ Trump/ Project 2025 with Biden as the candidate. The campaigns that are doing internal polling see that. And its not new new’s. Biden hasn’t been winning this race at any point in his campaign.
You have to make a choice: You can either make your commitment to stopping fascism and Trump and project 2025, or your commitment can be to Joe Biden.
You can’t have it both ways because the data is the clearest its literally ever been in American electoral politics: Joe Biden is going to lose this. It doesn’t matter if we have to figure out at the convention. It doesn’t matter if they want the delegates to decide or want to do another coronation. What matters is that if you refuse to get on the side of replacing Biden, you are conceding this election to DJT and come what may.
There is no side to get on. Joe Biden has to step down. Then we can talk.
Here’s your meme, “take it up with Joe.”
Cake is delicious, not boring.
I am an unapologetic leftist, and, like most other leftists, I do not believe that engaging in the liberal democratic process will, or even can, bring about my ideal society. However, while I don’t think voting is likely to make things meaningfully better, I do think it can prevent things from getting meaningfully worse. Maybe fascism can’t be defeated with votes, but I can’t see how anything is lost by trying. I mean, why make it easier on the fascists? I’m sure the fascists won’t just give up because they lost an election, but that’s not a reason to hold the door open for them. Again, I don’t think voting for Biden (or whoever the Democratic candidate ends up being) is going to make things much better, but I do think not voting for him could make things much worse. So, we (leftists) should all vote for the Democrats this November. Not because it’s going to get us nearer to our ideal, or our ultimate goals, but because it might help prevent the US from being taken over by fascists.
Change requires sustained momentum. Bouncing back and forth between Republicans and protest voting against Democrats. Is a sure fire way to see no change. If we were to say, show solidarity and dedication to keep all Republicans from elected office. Republicans would lose relevance and slink away. They might try masquerading under a different name like economic liberals playing Libertarian that generally vote Republican. But they will lose influence.
Once that happens. Then we focus on the worst of the Democrats, primarying every single one and driving them out. That sustained momentum and push is what’s needed. To keep the fascist and the wealthy scattered and disorganized like they’ve kept the left. Though the left has done a fair share of that to itself. The right will eat itself as well especially once they’re not winning.
How sustained are we talking? We ushered in the Biden presidency with a huge mandate in 2020, and snuffed out the alleged “red wave” in ‘22 due to republicans’ reprehensible views on denying women bodily autonomy.
Biden and the establishment Dems have squandered this time by telling Americans who are suffering economically that the economy is doing great. That Biden is better than FDR, while our public infrastructure crumbles and our most popular social programs are at risk of closure.
When should we expect the Democrats to actually do something meaningful that improves the vast majority of normal people’s lives?
The Biden administration has been directly addressing that crumbling infrastructure with the largest federal infra investment in modern history. It just happens to be boring so the media doesn’t talk about it.
Ok, so private contractors who are pals with Congress critters get massive checks from the taxpayers to maybe do something, but we won’t see any tangible improvements for at least a decade.
What are they doing in particular? Shouldn’t Biden be making his case as part of his campaign for president? It seems that whenever he gets pressed for details, he just gets flippant and says he’s done more for the American people than FDR and we’re just too stupid to realize it. I’m just not seeing it. I do see a record amount of oil and gas drilling, asylum seekers still in cages while building more of Trump’s wall for him, massive arms sales to enrich military contractors and slaughter innocents in the middle east, and a seeming lack of interest in protecting voter rights and civil liberties. So to me, it seems nothing has changed with Biden from the neoliberal status quo over the last 25 years. Considering he’s over 80, that’s not a huge surprise. Is it the media’s job to advertise Biden’s accomplishments for him?
Yeah, basically if the Republicans can be crushed in an election or two - Not just defeated, but absolutely demolished - then it could lead to them dissolving, and lead to the Democrats splitting and pushing the Overton window back left
I’d still argue that’s a bit too short-term. It would have to last years. Not just elections. Probably 3 to 4 presidential elections at minimum. A good decade absence from from National political relevance will get the message across.
It starts with this election. You’re looking down the barrel. No one wants you to pull the trigger america. Step back.
We don’t need to wait for the Republicans to stop existing before we get representation in exchange for our votes. With a more representative electoral system like Ranked Choice voting, people would be free to vote for those that best represents them, secure in the knowledge that their vote would still be counted even if their preference didn’t win. Still counted against the republicans.
You see, we can have democracy and freedom at the same time. How we vote is controlled at the state level, so we should be able to make these changes in blue states where republicans have less influence.
Unless of course, the democrats in power in those blue states aren’t interested in democracy.
So long as the republicans exist, the amendments necessary to get ranked choice voting wont happen. So yes actually, we do need to wait for them to stop existing
So, we (leftists) should all vote for the Democrats this November.
Great, and I have. Yet the democratic party does not make electoral reform a priority. Are they ever going to address the problem of all these disenfranchised voters who don’t want to vote for them? Why is the DNC gambling the future of the nation state every election on the Republicans driving voters to them?(because they ALL have been the most important election ever)
It’s clear we need more political parties involved simply because the democrats are incredibly weak. Democrats need to beg people they dont represent to vote for them to stop fascism. That’s the point of your entire comment right? Doesn’t sound like they’re doing well in this existential fight.
Democrats can’t fight the republicans alone. Democrats need backup to defeat the republicans. Don’t you want more chances to defeat the republicans? Don’t you want more people on the debate stage to call out trumps bullshit?
First Past The Post voting has got to go before it ends us all.
Other electoral systems to choose from:
…the democratic party does not make electoral reform a priority. Are they ever going to address the problem of all these disenfranchised voters who don’t want to vote for them?
Probably not.
Democrats need to beg people they dont represent to vote for them to stop fascism. That’s the point of your entire comment right?
Correct.
Democrats can’t fight the republicans alone.
Yes, that’s true.
Because the party is a coalition. If they did that, they’d just lose the swing voters who actually play kingmaker to repiblican backlash
how many times are you going to spam this? espescially that skewed youtube video that seems to be designed to push people toward strategic voting instead of voting for their values.
Do you have your guns, beans, and gasoline ready in case the fascists do win in November?
Will your privilege save you when The Fall occurs?
Nobody said it would be pretty.
Yup, the centre and left needs to stop being so divided and just work together on things we agree with by voting for Joe Biden and supporting ranked choice.
I tried searching democrats.org for Ranked Choice voting and didn’t get any hits. Can you share the information you have?
Here is a great resource for that!
I’m sorry, but this really isn’t true. Almost everyone here, leftist or liberal, is going to vote, and the vast majority of them are going to vote for Biden. There will be some protest votes, especially in safe states, but if you care enough to post on a left-leaning political group, you care enough to try to block Trump.
The people that will cost Biden the election are the people who don’t argue online. They support the Democrats (or at least oppose the Republicans), but they don’t always vote. They probably live in a state without mail-in voting, they probably live paycheck to paycheck, and they really just don’t have a lot of spare time. They’ll go to the polls if they think it’s really important or they’re very enthusiastic about the candidate, but if not, they’d rather rest or get a load of laundry done before work tomorrow, because it’s not that important anyway. The Democrats need to find a way to get those people out if they want to win.
We all live in the same ecosystem. The people who argue online are the same people who might inspire their dipshit friends to have an opinion. Those people might convince their families to come with them to the polls. Troll farms demonstrated in 2016 and continue to demonstrate that they don’t need to convince anyone. They don’t need to tell lies or trick anyone. They just need to keep everyone at odds with each other. They do that with media loops and feeding negative discussions.
When I post in opposition, I’m not really having an effect. I get to diffuse some of the disinformation upfront which is still pretty good in my eyes. But really I’m just swinging because I have fight in me.
I mean, fair enough, and it’s not like trying to get leftists and liberals to work together will hurt. I’m just saying, don’t worry too much about those divisions, as they tend to work themselves out; worry about voter turnout. There are also things you can do to help with that, like volunteering to give rides with Souls to the Pools or Carpool Vote.
The person who wants Biden to be the nominee the most is Trump. Notice he’s gone completely quiet on him, not blasting him for his age like some democrats are, because he knows he can win against an 81yo Biden. As soon as he’s confirmed as the nominee, Team Trump will turn around and try to make him look as old as dirt
When your opponent is making a mistake, don’t stop them.
I am curious who this is directed at. I think most people on Lemmy (excepting the Tankie minority who I mostly avoid) agree that voting democrats is the best political strategy in this election.
However, there is a separate and more contentious question of who the person we’ll be voting for should be. I don’t think the answer to this is obvious at all and it’s very strange to me that some people react with so much hostility to asking that question.
If this is about the first topic, I don’t see the need for it, and if it’s about the second, then it needs to be clearer and better articulated to sway anyone or spark useful discussion.
I think the discussion has been fine… but you do you, I guess.
“Ideal”
For fucks sake, spell check before you meme.
Made worse but misusing the template
I’m hoping Biden steps down and is replaced, but if he doesn’t, as concerning as that is to our chances, I will still be voting for the Dem ticket against literal fucking fascism and encouraging everyone I know IRL to do likewise.
Man, I’d love some real ranked choice voting right about now, but in the meantime, it’s Democrat down the line.
We live in the real world, and anything other than that might as well be saying “please stomp all over my civil liberties harder daddy”
Joe biden isnt even capable of making a coherent inaugural address, much less actually being president
Except that he is president and has done the job exceedingly well.
Bro even he agrees with me that biden isnt capable of being president. Consider how fucking stupid it was to make your comment only 3 days prior to him publically admitting I was right.
Greetings Comrade! The central office has directed that all attacks are to now focus on Biden’s dastardly plot to assassinate Dear Leader.
Hilarious that yall are this brainwashed. Even biden admitted that his brain is soup, but heres you just 3 days prior defending him
I agree. So we should all rally around a candidate who actually has a chance to beat Trump rather than blindly following some guy who’s comfortable handing over the White House as long as he, “tried his best.”
What really annoys me about all these political meme/card posts is the lack of spell checking.
They’re right, but dammit, at least try to make your point look good. That would be the ideal.
Ok, since you were less snarky then the last guy I’ll fix it. But know this, im not trying bro.
Good news, turns out some of the polls, especially those coming out of Georgia are misleading as they are failing to account for the Overwhelmingly Pro-Biden black vote
I’ll rely on polling the day I have a fully stocked bunker, with all the amenities, that I can sneak away into until my inevitable death while eating cheetos on the shitter.
