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      Anyone with an IQ above 2 realize that swapping candidates now is a 100% guarantees loss

      The people who promote this idea are either massive dumbasses or alt right trolls

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        Anyone with an IQ above 2 realize that swapping candidates now is a 100% guarantees loss

        Anyone with a pulse realizes that not switching candidates now is a 100% guaranteed loss.

        The people who promote this idea are either massive dumbasses or alt right trolls

        Maybe people realize that Biden losing support from his own pool of voters and Trump gaining support from his own pool of voters means we will see a repeat of 2016 at this rate, with Biden winning the popular vote and Trump winning the electoral college.

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        Biden loses to like every other candidate in recent polls. It might be time to get out of the Blue MAGA echo chamber if you genuinely still think your previous comment is real.

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          Then by all means pick another candidate lmao

          Democrats: according to polls, hilarious clinton will win with a landslide victory never heard of in the history of the world.

          Also democrats: according to polls, we stand a better chance if we change candidates close to the election.

          By all means, keep it up, do the dumbest things, it’s what Americans are known for anyway. Can’t wait for the easiest Trump victory ever since y’all seem keen on shooting yourselves in the foot. It’ll be hilarious.

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            Clinton was losing in the polls. The DNC forced Bernie out because their megadonors didn’t like him.

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          Blue maga makes no sense, that slogan has literally always been a Republican thing trump famously stealing it from Reagan who stole it from another who u can’t remember the name of at the moment.

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              That’s not the argument I’m making. Sure there’s propaganda but maga is and always will right wing.

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                MAGA is a synonym for cult like behavior where the leader makes up absurd lie after lie and nobody questions it.

                It does not have to be right wing, however as is becoming more and more obvious the Democrats are not left wingers.

                Joe Biden goes on his CNN debate with Trump and says we “need abortion because illegal immigrants are raping women”. It’s becoming a competition which person can MAGA the hardest. Nobody can look at those debate statements without prior knowledge and conclude the Democrats are left wing.

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                  No it’s an acronym, you could alter it’s meaning but simply saying blue maga doesn’t make sense as the Democratic position is not and never has been that America is now or has ever been less than great. Ie. We have fallen and the only way to get back up is the r ticket.

                  It’s always been America had it’s problems but we can and are always making changes and working towards a better future together. Ie. Not perfect, bit actively trying for perfection and the only way to get there is together.

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        i disagree with this, but will not get into it here. the main point is that she barely has any pull in the party and the party hates her to begin with. not only would AOC saying he should step down not accomplish anything but it would more likely backfire. it’s stupid to expect her to publicly ask for the presumptive candidate to fuck off. she barely endorsed biden in the first place; there are limits to what she can do and still remain effective.

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            are you kidding? the squad keeps getting thrown under the bus by democrats at every turn. the party would rather have lose the presidency than have someone like AOC (or Bernie) as president.

            i say would, but should have said did. they did choose to lose the presidency than let someone like them win. that’s what they did in 2016.

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    They do realize that they would be the first to go in a fascist coup? The kind Trump’s Project 2025 openly threatens? Right?

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    As soon as I saw the picture, I felt like we were doomed. I’m still not voting for Trump, but that assassination attempt and the picture are, unfortunately, sometimes all that’s needed to sway an American voter.

    Like, he’s a rapist, convicted felon, bad bsuines man, mentally unwell, fascist, and a general boob, but they’ll look at that picture of him, fist up, blood on his ear, people trying to get him to get down, and then look at old man Joe and make their decision from there. If Biden truly cared about this country, he would step down. He’s been vice president and now actual president, but his performance this round has been terrible and he needs to face the reality of that instead of pushing forward for the sake of his ego.

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      At this point I need to hear directly from someone who was undecided before the assassination attempt, but now is voting trump.

      Not a single person has said that, just that they are sure its happening.

      Y’all need to figure out the difference between a guess and a fact for real. All emotion and no logic.

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        At this point I need to hear directly from someone who was undecided before the assassination attempt, but now is voting trump.

        Nobody is undecided this election, what is going to determine the way the vote goes is which candidate can energize their own voters more. After the assassination attempt, Trump has seen a surge in popularity among his voters, even if nobody is swapping from Biden to Trump.

        America is not a mandatory voting State. Therefore, vibes are incredibly important. The narrative around Biden is that even if he’s supporting genocide and seeing (percieved, at least) mental decline, he’s not Trump. Meanwhile, Trump voters see their messiah figure surviving an assassination attempt and rising in percieved strength.

        You fundamentally misunderstand what people are saying about the situation here.

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          You know what, the day before we heard about a surge in the polls, yesterday I read there was no surge, I’m beginning to think the polls are bullshit.

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            The day before we heard about a surge in energy among Republican voters, yesterday we heard there was no change between Biden/Trump polling.

            These are entirely consistent.

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      Joe Biden = maybe less energy to do MORE GOOD things (but actually a presidency isn’t a single person, it’s an administration full of good people that do important work, regardless of how Joe feels on a given day…

      don trump = maybe more (adderall and coke-fueled SNIFF) energy, but only used to do MORE BAD things.

      So much of this country is so surface and easily frightened.

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        The choice is between a narcissistic buffoon who will do whatever his handlers want him to so long as he gets to look important and powerful playing along or someone who belongs in a nursing home rather than the White House that people raged about being called a “well meaning old man with a poor memory” months ago because they thought it was an unreasonable because his admin was doing such a good job at damage control.

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          It’s really not, you seem to have completely missed the point of the Biden statement above. A presidency is not one man.

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          This isnt a Mr. Universe contest. Theres more important things than physical fitness and debate skills.

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            Theres more important things than physical fitness and debate skills.

            Sure, sure. That doesn’t change that we’ve got a choice between an easily manipulable narcissist owned by proto-fascists and Russia and a case of elder abuse who at this point is lucky if he can string three coherent sentences without a teleprompter, or sometimes even with one.

            Obviously we should all vote for the case of elder abuse, but the fact that this is the choice that we have is the core problem.

            And yes, I needed to make reference to people being outraged at Biden being described as a “well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory” because holy shit were people angry at that characterization and holy shit would most of them be happy if that was the worst we could say about his mental acuity now.

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              Its all a crap shoot to me. None of us has the predictive powers we profess. Biden is just as likely to win/lose as Kamala is, as is Bernie, and so on.

              Theres different reasons for each person, but noone knows really what’s best. I’m still of the opinion that Trump has gone way too far and there will be so many people coming out to vote against him, that he’s essentially running against himself.

              But thats just my theory, based on pretty much a feeling.

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                Biden is just as likely to win/lose as Kamala is, as is Bernie, and so on.

                Thanks to ballot access deadlines in several key states, this just isn’t the case. It’s Biden or Trump unless one of them dies in the meantime. If you tried to field Kamala as a replacement against a living Biden, you’d end up with a number of electors under faithless elector laws required to vote for Biden despite him having stepped down to make way for Kamala, possibly enough to trigger a one vote per state decision.

                I’m still of the opinion that Trump has gone way too far and there will be so many people coming out to vote against him, that he’s essentially running against himself.

                You aren’t wrong about him essentially running against himself. It’s entirely about whether or not people who would vote against Trump actually go out and vote for Biden (or his replacement should he die) in sufficient numbers.

                But it’s nearly always the GOP running against themselves, turnout is basically what decides US presidential elections. It’s just writ lager with Trump.

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    They resigned themselves to a second Trump term when they decided to push forward an individual that couldn’t carry a conversation 5 years ago. This isn’t new.

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      Decided to push him forward by listening to the majority of voters who cast their ballots for him in the primary?

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        This is patently false, there was no primary held in good faith. The DNC canceled it and threatened anyone who floated the idea of a bigger run.

        Some promising candidates still put their necks out despite this undemocratic efforts, and Biden wouldn’t even acknowledge them. Much less debate them, and after his recent performance it’s quite evident why.

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        I remember that primary. We got like, what, ten primaries in before a bunch of people, some of whom were still competitive, just dropped out and gave all their delegates to Joe. I remember being flummoxed because Joe’s performance in that debate was also really, really poor, and his performance in the primaries up until then had been pretty middling. So, I wouldn’t agree that Joe won it as much as a bunch of candidates promised their delegates to him in exchange for cabinet positions.

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          1. 4 primaries.

          Ask Warren how that went for her as she started talking about how she was getting the VP pick for dropping.

          Boy does the party hate leftists and having to put effort in.

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          Shit Clyburn’s daughters got on Biden’s transition team and are appointed to positions alongside governors. Clyburn even helped the GOP gerrymander SC to eliminate a competitive seat to keep his sole seat safer which helped Mick Mulvaney get into politics.

          The rot of the old generation has been damaging for quite some time.

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        The sitting president doesn’t get a primary. It is a stupid tradition that needs to stop. Even a sitting president needs to be put up in a primary, yet neither side does that.

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          Jimmy Carter wouldn’t smack you but he’d be very disappointed you didn’t remember what your history teacher tried to instill for you.

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        Let’s say I make a banquet with lots of different food on the table. Some of its good, some of its bad, one of the dishes is lukewarm, unflavored yoghurt. Now let’s say right before everyone sits down to eat, I remove all the dishes except for the lukewarm, unflavored yoghurt. Is everyone who then chooses to eat the yoghurt doing so because it’s the one they like the best? Or did they not really have any other options?

        This is the primary you believe so accurately captured the wishes of the American public. Fuck off.

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          Oh I get it, you’re one of those morons who think the moderates realizing they uad a combined majority and then acting like that was the case is cheating because it killed the illusion Bernie was creating of “winning” on plurality votes.

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    I can shorten this while maintaining the entire message;

    Vote out the career politicians who don’t really give a shit about you

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          I’ve spent the last 2 decades campaigning for and voting for positive change for my peers. You can go fuck yourself and your regressive opinions.

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            No. This nonsense about people who are dedicated at their jobs vs Trump-like idiots who have no idea what they’re doing is just wrong.

            What matters is NOT “career” politicians, but good politicians and bad politicians.

            For example Bernie is (now) a “career politician” and AOC wasn’t, but probably is now. Both are good and are examples of good politicians.

            If you want to whine about how there’s more bad career politicians than good ones, I’ll also remind you that there’s more “career politicians” than not.

            In short, it’s a nonsensical delimiter. It’s a thought terminating cliche.

            And it’s lazy.

            You can vote for and promote positive change without being an idiot on Lemmy about it.

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              We can disagree without you being a complete fucking scumbag about it.

              Or at least, I thought we could.

              You’re a disgrace to your peers.

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        So that’s one example of a good career politician.

        Do you think the good:bad ratio for career politicians is 50:50?

        If we eradicated all the career politicians, we would be removing a LOT of bad faith shitheads and yes, a few good ones too.

        But we would have the chance to reshape our system to be FUNCTIONAL without nepotism and greed blocking it for a change.

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    I’m regretting not looking for an office to run for now, there needs to be a retire and replace move among the democrats.

    We need less aisle reachers and more firebrands who’ll nail the GOP to their heinous ideals like a roman centurion handling a thief’s sentencing and pile the shame on them relentlessly, I don’t want to see this spineless shit, I wanna see someone having to debate across from Margie Infidelitress back her far enough into a corner for her to start having a crying panic attack, and then when the parliamentarian calls for decorum threaten to come up there and put the gavel up their ass sideways if they dare interrupt the much needed dressing down again before it’s finished.

    I wanna see someone pay their staff bounties for graffitying the doors of election deniers for being the traitors they are.

    I want to see someone begin carrying an obvious vanity cain around and brandish it at any Republican who tries to nut up like they deserve to do anything but be afraid of what’ll happen if they dare forget their shame again.

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      If the person who did that was a trans woman, and replace the cane with a gun because nothing else will scare an armed magat, do you think that would actually win votes?

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        I dunno, the image of a cane being wielded in such a way as to scare a member of the “Guns Over People” party, has immense potential.

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    I can’t vote out the career politicians who don’t give a shit about me because the other career politicians that don’t give a shit about me are worse.

    Can’t vote for a human because the wrong lizard will win and all that.

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    It’s like all these D dibosaurs forgot that they needed to plan for their succession. I would imagine them working hard to make sure the new generation of politicians is ready. But modern career politicians will die in the saddle and seemingly are not worried what happens after.

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      Their goal is to enrich their family and friends as much as possible for as long as possible. Pelosi, Feinstein, and McConnell are prime examples.

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      I actually don’t think that’s limited to democrats or even politics, it’s systemic

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        Family owned businesses that provide generations with income so this plenty. It’s the career politician that is the issue for me here, the ones that will die in the saddle. By not grooming successors, their base has no alternative to vote for.

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    I agree AOC, also, why do you support the fascists in Israel? Seems hypocritical.

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      I mean, she voted against military aid for Israel, she accused Israel of genocide in a speech on the House floor. She’s called Israel an apartheid state.

      I think that it’s unfair to say that she supports the fascists in Israel.

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        Didn’t she also vote for bills that confuse criticism of Israel with antisemitism, gives military aid to Israel and their Iron Dome, and invited a bunch of AIPAC lobbyists who conflated anti-Zionism and antisemitism and condemned the BDS movement? She could do a lot better.

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          I’m pretty sure she voted “present” for the Iron Dome funding, although the US Congress is complicated and maybe there were several votes (possibility even for the same bill). This predictably brought her criticism from both Zionists and pro-Palestine people.

          She was indeed condemned for having an anti-semitism discussion. I don’t know the details.

          I am sure I wouldn’t agree with every action she has made, but overall I find her to be a passionate, thoughtful leader.

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    The planets have just aligned for Trump recently between the debate debacle and surviving an assassination attempt.

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    “This kind of leadership is functionally useless to the American people.”

    It’s been that way for a long time now. Frankly, I can’t think of a single agenda the Democratic party has rallied behind in recent memory that isn’t not being a Republican. The Democratic leadership is useless, that’s just been better than the malicious alternative.

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        You can’t have truly public healthcare without public clinics and hospitals. How many public hospitals have Democrats built or bought lately?

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        Universal healthcare is not a priority for the Democratic party as a whole despite their voters’ pleas for it. Still only a few outliers in the party seem to advocate for it. Biden himself has been reluctant to embrace it.

        And I don’t remember student loan forgiveness being an especially popular platform before Biden took office. Sure it’s helped a lot of people but it feels very much like a, “we’ll take what we can get” policy versus something we’ve been asking for over decades.

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        Promised for day one, never delivered. We need meaningful action, and we need it 4 years ago.

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          They have delivered school loan assistance. It’s income driven, but that’s the most they could push through with Republicans blocking them every step of the way. But they’ve already issued millions in savings and are constantly trying to issue more.

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        Those are valiant causes, and I am a democrat. But did the party rally behind them? The GOP frequently votes unanimously to gut social spending, strengthen the military, etc, but I wish the democrats did the opposite, unanimously, and voted for every social good we should pass

        https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/01/senate-repeals-bidens-student-debt-relief-00099682

        https://www.newsweek.com/two-democrats-vote-end-bidens-student-loan-cancellation-1803948

        https://newrepublic.com/post/173165/three-senators-helped-republicans-block-bidens-student-loan-relief

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/policy-2020/medicare-for-all/

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        We don’t have universal health care.

        The school loan forgiveness was exceedingly niche, and since Biden could have forgiven all student loans unilaterally, I’m not willing to pretend it was a major achievement. The man just rearranged deck chairs on the Titanic.

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          Yes. But why don’t we have universal healthcare or student loan forgiveness? Could there be another party blocking everything?

          Dem: here is a comprehensive student loan forgiveness plan. Vote to help your constituents.

          Reps: No.

          Leftists:why are the parties the same, LIBERAL?

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            Biden didn’t campaign on universal healthcare. Most of the Democrats didn’t, it’s why Bernie got popular off that. Same with student loan forgiveness until Bernie started mentioning it. They just don’t care about it as much as they say they do.

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              Who said they shouldn’t work harder? The point is, one party is putting effort and the other is obstructing everything.

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                *Pretending to put forth effort, you mean.

                The president has the power to keep Congress at work for as long as he wants, provided he considers the issue critical enough. Take your pick of critical issues, be it student loan debt, or poverty, or 2/3 of the states about to take women’s bodily autonomy away, or cops becoming a legalized domestic army of oppression. etc. etc. etc.

                The Democrats pretend to care and do nothing but offer empty excuses.

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                  He can keep Congress in session for 365 days a year. If one party is hellbent on blocking literally everything, how can you get anything done?

                  As for the alleged pretend effort, how do you know the hearts of the people putting forth these plans and policies? At least they’re doing something. Don’t mistake my sense of political reality with complacency.

                  Also, the overturning of Roe is a direct consequence of people failing to elect Hillary Clinton in 2016. You can have your protest non-vote, but you have to live with the consequences (a stacked supreme Court). Remember, the pre-Trump court gave us Obergefell and Dobbs, so don’t act like Roe would be gone regardless of who won.

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              Why should they work harder? Every four years they drum up votes by saying they’re not as bad as the Other Guy, and about half the time it works. A large portion, maybe even a majority, of their voters come out of the woodwork around election time to call anyone dissatisfied with the Democratic party a Russian troll or worse, then disappear for the next four years until the next Other Guy needs to be defeated.

              The system we have only has one way for the public to express their opinions of politicians: their vote. A vote for a politician, regardless if it’s just a vote against the Other Guy, is taken as approval of that politician and their party. Now we’re stuck between a rock and a hard place of our own making. Fascism on the one hand, fascism delayed by a maximum of four years on the other.

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            But why don’t we have universal healthcare or student loan forgiveness?

            If you think that’s only because of Republicans I have some terrible news for you.

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            “Not perfect”

            You can get that knitted on a pillow in November when the facade of fascism becomes an overt reality to which the Democrats escorted us with false promises.

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            they’re not perfect

            Band-aid on a gunshot wound, but I’m sorry its the best we could do. It’s not perfect, but the other guy wants to hit you with another bullet.

            So, anyway, here’s another $50B bank bailout. And a $100B automotive industry rescue. And $200B for the wars overseas. And $25B specifically for Intel to build a new foundry in Israel that makes specially designed chips to help Microsoft do weird invasive AI data-scraping more efficiently.

            But sorry we can’t do anything about health care or education costs. We just don’t have the money, cause we’re not perfect.

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            Don’t forget the tax penalty that you have to pay if you can’t afford insurance! At least until the Toupee got rid of that, and though it disgusts me to say it is the one good thing that administration did.

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      Most recent they passed the Inflation Reduction Act in '21, which gets me 20% off my solar panels among a bunch of good moves for the country re: medication costs and the world re: global warming, and was voted against by every Republican.

      Because of the level of polarization we have today, Republicans that vote with Dems worry about being primaried out of their seat, so the Republicans are against everything the Dems do anyway. It’s impossible not to be defined by the phrase “not that guy” when “that guy” does the opposite of what you do on purpose.

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    “senior Democrats” would rather Trump than a progressive. At least Trump is good for their stocks.

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        Probably better than someone like Bernie would be. Only because the rich would pull their money out and crash the economy so they could blame it on him. Personally I’d call it economic terrorism and put them all in Guantanamo

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        He is. They own the same stocks in the same companies.

        Democrats like immigrants the same reason the Republicans do they just don’t have to pretend to hate them for their base they are replacing the labor with. And will also accept cheap slaves if they can get them.

        Democrats are even some of the largest receivers of donations from weapons manufacturers they just more carefully call it “Defense Funds”.

        Do not fail to see the upper party member apathy as anything other than acceptable oligarchy capitalism with anger that they will have to try harder on social pandering.

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      These fuckers insider trade and make money no matter which way the market goes. This isn’t it, they just know that no matter who wins the rich will continue to run the country so it doesn’t really matter to them. The only threat to the wealthy ruling class is the left (not liberals, the actual left)

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        There are several HUGE ‘left’ spaces on Lemmy.

        None of them have any advice, none of them are ‘leading the charge’ of reforming the USA.

        the only thing I’ve seen them bring to the table is an elevated nose, blind judgement based on delusion, and calls for more violence. Those aren’t the traits of a movement I can support

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            I do real shit in real spaces.

            This website is for shitposts and memes lmao. Collect yourself, coward

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          Are there Liberal spaces on Lemmy where liberals accomplish anything? That shit happens in the real world dawg.

          Organize in your local community like leftists in the real world do

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          I actually did try to run for a local election and have tried to organize unions before.

          Neither went very well and for the local office position I actually tried to work with a “progressive” election fund who never wanted to talk politics but just money. Literally told me I was too poor to run and that my dollars would be better spent with them finding better candidates.

          It’s a sham not exactly possible to break through without a lot of luck and momentum. They have said age makes you more conservative but it seems to actually just be money and wealth and accumulation of things makes you so.

          I think the reason you don’t see more is the “left” is mostly just people poor and tired. The social left liberals above us just like to use our backing while supporting an easier to work with marginalized group that looks better and is easier than solving wealth inequality flavor of the month.

          It’s tiring you know?

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            I tried to run as well… Didn’t have any progressive groups around, but the state Dem party doesn’t help anyone except top of the ticket. They didn’t mind asking me to drop off flyers for their candidates though.

            I’ve also tried to organize a union 3 times in 3 different jobs, and the problem there is just everyone not wanting to do anything extra if it’s in any way work related… Even if it’s to make their lives better… But I do get that the reason for that is mostly that they’re already overworked and underpaid, so they don’t feel like they have the time or energy.