I even saw the original comment. Can’t remember where though.
yeah, let‘s not fall for this tankie narrative. It doesn‘t exist.
yeah, let‘s not fall for this tankie narrative. It doesn‘t exist.
But it’s intellectually SO MUCH easier!
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Look, Im trans. If he loses, Im the one getting genocided. Its perhaps a mirthless disposition, but I am absolutely willing to put off Palestine so I dont get shot, and probably so you dont get deported tol btw
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Because those exact same fears I have should apply to you personally too. We have exactly two options. One will kill us both, and the other wont. Getting to say I told you so while were in a camp isnt helping Palestinians now is it?
Let me change around your words and then shame you for the new position I created for you. Oh, and don’t bother debating me, I’m only interested in the sound of my own voice
Not that meme is wrong, but the account that posted that comment is 3 days old and is clearly a troll.
So how have we established this is even a ‘Tankie’ to begin with?
There are a bunch of regular posters here that think the exact same way.
You can see by the 85% like ratio on this post that 15% of this community thinks this way.
I’m neither a tankie nor a maga but disagree with it. This weird all or nothing, “if you’re not with us you’re against” us shit is toxic. It’s toxic to you and your goals.
You’ll have to lie in the bed you shit in, but hopefully you manage to see who took the shit instead of blaming whatever group you can to not take responsibility.
We need a new name for Russian state sponsored spam other than “troll”, which should be restored to the original status as a perpetually online nerd who enjoys starting arguments.
Most trolls are state sponsored narrative promoting spam now so the perpetually online nerd who like starting arguments should get a new name.
How about artyom?
Nah, there’s folks actually named that, a lot of whom are very against this all.
It’s gotta be a creature or a thing or some other kind of title for it to work best as a generalized name.
What’s wrong with vatnik ? I don’t see that used much anymore and it felt more appropriate, imo.
Didn’t land enough as an insult
I call trump supporters Redcaps after the especially blood thirsty kind of Goblin
What’s a similarly degrading fantasy creature that’s known for being a mindless parrot of whatever is said to it by its master? Or would that fit the people who fall for the state trolls better?
Thrall.
I mean as if these people aren’t all just trolls to some extent.
It takes either great malice, great idiocy, or a great and terrible combination of the two to be a supporter of this shit.
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Now I kinda want to start a community called c/illiterate or c/incommunicado 😄
Love the idea of the community. It hurts my brain if I stare at it too long, but in a good way.
One of the awesome things about a community like this is that when tankies post their unironic takes, we can just pretend to agree with them and make them look like fools.
Yeah let’s spread their memes and upvote their content ironically #lol #pwned #trolled
Sounds like an echo chamber. Kinda like this thread. Anyway, good luck.
Is “Tankies” a new term? I’ve never heard it before a week or two ago.
You shouldn’t be getting downvoted for asking a question. Asking genuine questions are good
Is that when you joined Lemmy? Because Lemmy is infested with Tankies, and you’ll hear someone calling them put before long
No, but considering Lemmy overall has grown 5800% in active monthly users in the first month the Reddit protests began, it’s safe to assume most people haven’t been here much longer than that lol. How long have you b3en using Lemy? 20 years? 50 years? Lol /s
I joined during the Reddit migration and ended up dealing with Tankies almost immediately. Before Lemmy I always thought most Communists would claim that true communism hasnt happened yet, I was NOT expecting people who aggressively protected safe spaces and didnt allow any level of words that could be considered slurs to think that Russia and China have done nothing wrong and are super great countries
Yeah I have been hearing the word “tankies” thrown around since joining during the great migration, too. I still don’t understand what the term means lol
Its a communist who thinks Russia and China are ideals to follow, easy enough to understand.
The current use of it to mean “people I disagree with” is.
Lmao
It’s decades old. Refers to people who support communist regimes regardless of what they do. Originally because the Soviet Union used tanks to quell rebellion and some people in the west still cheered for them.
Was it from the Soviet Union? I always assumed it was a reference to justifying Tianamen Square.
I guess that more you know.
Yup, it even predates Tiananmen Square by a few decades IIRC
I believe it was coined by the British left when the USSR quashed the Hungarian revolution by driving tanks through their streets. Anyone still in support of them is deemed a “tankie.” Nowadays it was meant to criticize authoritarian communists.
when the USSR quashed the Hungarian revolution
quashed the Hungarian communist (democratic worker) revolution; lowercase.
Right, right, they were like “you’re not doing it right!”
you being funny? It’s 68 years old this autumn.
I apologize I’m only up to ‘s’ in my quest to memoriz3 every fucking word ever used in the English language. 🙄 The fuckin word, “meme” is like a million years old. It doesn’t mean it was as regularly used in conversation before social media. On a different note, for how many other languages use Lemy how would you know English is my primary language?
I’ve seen it a lot more often after joining lemmy
That is because you joined a social media platform made by socialists.
Yup, when I first joined I wanted to join lemmy.ml because “oh I like machine learning”.
Those were the days…
I picked it because it had open signups and were high up in some random list, I promptly switched lol
Ah yes. Lemmy.ml, the instance about machine learning…
Havent heard that one.
It’s members certainly talk like chatgpt
Expecting ML to mean machine learning, when signing on to lemmy, must have lead to confusion, maybe shock.
I started to see the term around the time of the Russian invasion of ukraine
Has anyone else noticed that a shit ton of .ml bots have been very active here over the last day or so? These accounts aren’t new. But they also haven’t been active in these communities.
Its really funny too because they think saying “Tankie just means people I dont agree with” doesnt immediately out them as a Tankie trying to muddy the waters. Thanks for letting me know you’re actually a hexbear!
Reminds me of when Hexbear would flood into any political discussion to sew discord and chaos.
Sew it into what?
Harris may replace Biden and they have to try to get people predisposed to not voting for Harris either.
Isn’t it liberals handing the election to Trump by pretending like Biden has a chance and refusing to push forward a new candidate? Oh wait I forgot Liberals are fascist we just haven’t scratched them yet 🖕
Isn’t it liberals handing the election to Trump by pretending like Biden has a chance
Liberals refused to run a candidate against Biden during the primary and called anyone bold enough to step into the ring a Russian plant. Now Biden’s sunk under 40% public approval, donors are backing out of the campaign, and the news media is turning on him like a pack of starved piranhas. And this is also because of those damned Russians undermining his campaign. The SCOTUS is greenlighting an endless catalog of future atrocities, while Trump revs up an ultra-nationalist partisan revolt, and that’s thanks to Russia, too. Republicans are putting out all sorts of slimy ads on social media and their own right-wing networks, which are another example of Russian infiltration. And if Biden can’t close the deal in November, because a state fucks up its counting before the SCOTUS shuts the recount down, you know that’s going to be blamed on the Russians.
So, really, this isn’t anything the liberals did. Its not even something the conservatives did. Everything bad happening in America right now is because of Russians. Also, the Chinese.
Yes… But they’ll still blame the left… They know the only way to beat Trump is for the center and left to team up, but instead of actually trying to team up, they’re just running their usual strongarm and gaslight routine to get the left to fall inline… Which has never worked for them the way it works for the right
Neat how a far right ideology is being championed by the left…oh wait it’s not
Let me just snap my fingers and swap out the candidate. Genius!
Do you think Biden should drop out and be replaced by a Dem who could do better in the polls? I’m not pretending you have any power I’m sure someone as feckless as you doesn’t. But you’re the type to insist that he should stay in the race despite losing in the polls right?
if he dropped out the dems would lose ballot access in some states
Haven’t heard this before. Based on what?
Scheduling rules
Hey just reminding you that you were so wrong about this and so confident about it. Just wanted to open your eyes. 🙂
Reminding you that you’re reading in things I didn’t say
Google it seems like your both full of shit. Care to provide a source or are you full of shit.
Here’s and article talking about how the dems could still replace biden
Biden has a VP that can take over and a whole administration to take care of things.
And there’s nobody else but his own VP who even have a chance, and might as well stay as Biden’s VP instead of introducing a new random person to the national vote. If Biden gives in before the end of the next term she’ll be the next president anyway
Biden has a VP that can take over
But she won’t. She needs a Senatorial fossil at the top of the ticket, because he’s the “only one” who can beat Trump. Nevermind the polls. Nevermind his dismal debate performance. Nevermind the ample evidence of his cognitive decline. Kamala Harris is DOA in 2024. Only Biden can win.
Look if I thought bye and could win I wouldn’t care if he kills over or not I just don’t want Trump in there and Biden is losing in the polls.
Trump has routinely been underestimated by the poles in the past see 2016 and how 2020 was closer than we anticipated.
This idea that there’s nobody besides Kamala Harris that would have a chance as ridiculous. Biden and Kamal are some of the two most unlikeable candidates we’ve ever had. Looks at the polls.
I would prefer a much farther left candidate than either of these but Gavin Newsom and Gretchen Whitmore would both do immensely better against Trump Biden would.
No, you don’t understand. It’s obvious from the polling that 60% of voters are “tankies.” /s
Yet fools like you say this, but don’t offer any suggestions. Tell me, who do you think could replace Biden on the ballot now and stand a chance of winning?
I’m just waiting for the bullshit “literally anyone else” as an answer.
Gavin newsome Gretchen whitmore Anyone under 70 who isn’t a fascist
I’m sure you’re going to say they don’t have the name recognition and completely ignore the fact that that news would be so big it would make someone anyone including me or your mom one of the most famous people on the planet. Outside of that all they’d need to do is be able to string a sentence together better than the corpse of Biden.
Was that enough information for you to understand? I’m used to people being able to think on their own 😏
Do you think Biden should drop out and be replaced by a Dem who could do better in the polls?
Absolutely.
But you’re the type to insist that he should stay in the race despite losing in the polls right?
Based on what?
My bad than Friendly Fire same team. Lmao
Really hate being called a tanky by libs. I assumed you were one of those right wingers who are defending Biden to help Trump win. You know the kind of left-wing moderate who are so moderate that you makes you wonder if they’re just Republicans.
And I really hate when “Leftists” roll up to a discussion about the merits of making a choice at the ballot box to snarkily tell people that the magical solution is actually to just do something that’s outside of their control.
It’s really telling how many people got pissed off thinking this meme was about them just because it includes the word tankie. Start holding the people like the one in the meme accountable instead of making wild assumptions and hurling insults.
I wonder why socialists who live under a government that did things like the Red Scare would be offended by people punching left than using derogatory terms for socialists like tankie.
To be clear you should not punch left that’s something that fascists do.
So you have nothing to say about Leftists pushing for Biden to lose to Trump, but god forbid someone uses the word tankie in a meme.
Glad to see your priorities are in order.
Marxism and Fascism are sister ideologies that are similar in both theory and in practice. This moronic idea that Fascism is the polar opposite of Marxism is literally Soviet propaganda that they pushed after WWII to justify their tyranny, massacres, and censorship. Which is ironic because this what they accuse the Fascists of doing. It becomes more ironic that the Soviets and the Nazis were quite literally allies who signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact where they agreed to non aggression, greater cooperation, and to invade and divide countries together.
Marxists are Fascists are two sides of the same evil coin. Liberalism is the polar opposite to both of these shitty ideologies. You’re not the good guys.
Congratulations you said the dumbest thing I’ve seen all day!
Are you going to ignore how Hitler first killed the Socialist have you ever heard that poem that has the line when they came for the Jews I said nothing for I was not a Jew and when they came for me there was no one else left go reread that poem and tell me who the first people they took where?
Hitler used to refer to socialism as Jewish bolshivism. Do you know the Nazis killed more Soviet soldiers than any other country soldiers and that Soviets killed more Nazis than any other country killed Nazis.
Both my grandfathers were American soldiers during World War II one of them went to prisoner of Work Camp in Nazi Germany do you want to know who Freedom the f****** Soviets.
Do you know what country marched on Berlin and ended Nazi Germany?
You’re fucking ignorant. Horseshoe theory is propaganda the US came up with during the Cold War. Read a book
Are you going to ignore how Hitler first killed the Socialist have you ever heard that poem that has the line when they came for the Jews I said nothing for I was not a Jew and when they came for me there was no one else left go reread that poem and tell me who the first people they took where?
It’s not secret that Marxists and Fascists hated each other. Then again they hate everyone who isn’t from the right groups and doesn’t entirely agree with them. Still doesn’t change the fact that the Soviets and the Nazis did in fact sign an alliance that led to them invading Poland together… You know, the thing that led France and the UK to declare war on Hitler and officially begin WWII.
Do you know the Nazis killed more Soviet soldiers than any other country soldiers and that Soviets killed more Nazis than any other country killed Nazis.
That’s stupid. Of course there were going to be more deaths from both of them against each other because more soliders fought on the Eastern front than any other front. The Soviet Union and Germany were only two powers on that front. Them exchanging more deaths doesn’t mean what you think it does.
Both my grandfathers were American soldiers during World War II one of them went to prisoner of Work Camp in Nazi Germany do you want to know who Freedom the f****** Soviets.
Okay, but how this detract from the fact that the Soviets having their own work camps? The Soviet gulags were infamous. They had somewhere between 10 and 20 million prisoners between 1930 and 1953, and about 1 to 2 million were killed.
Do you know what country marched on Berlin and ended Nazi Germany?
Go to Berlin or ANY Eastern European country and ask them how the Soviet experience was. You’ll find that most people see the Soviets and the Nazis in the same light. They weren’t liberators, but ruthless conquerors. The Eastern European countries quickly realized when the Soviets rolled through that they weren’t freed, but rather “under new management”.
You’re fucking ignorant. Horseshoe theory is propaganda the US came up with during the Cold War. Read a book
I don’t think you understand that the Nazis ≠ Fascism, the Soviets ≠ Marxism, and the Soviets and Nazis fighting each other doesn’t make the ideologies opposites. Mussolini, the founder of fascism, was literally a life long Marxist before he created fascism as alternative to the flaws he saw with the socialists at the time. Fascism and Marxism are quite literally sister ideologies.
This idea that these two ideologies are polar opposites stems from Soviet propaganda post war that they used to justify their tyranny and atrocities. It was a tool to keep people in line and purge out opposition. The reality is that they’re more similar than different.
The rise of MAGA communism has so much weird meme magic. It’s surreal.
Y’all don’t even know what tankies are anymore.
Tankies, famous for their… opposition to genocide?
Also, is “Everyone I disagree with is a Tankie” the mid-Left’s new “Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi?”
Try again ppboy.
If Tankies oppose genocide, they have a funny way of showing it with their support of the CCP.
And of the candidate who almost certainly will bring some degree of Genocide to the US while also intensifying it in Ukraine and Gaza.
It’s always easier to be the hero of the story when you reject reality and substitute your own in its place. The only problem with this is that everyone else still lives in the reality you rejected.
And they think you look foolish.
No, they are perfectly okay with genocide. As long as Papa Putin and and Winnie the Pooh Bear the ones doing it.
Tankies, famous for their… opposition to genocide?
Famous for using real issues to push shitty accelerationist solutions.
One thing that doesn’t make sense, as if there were only one, is how societal collapse will somehow lead to communism. If the US collapses as a state, it would lead to the deaths of hundreds of millions due to spontaneous shifts in politics, supply chains, global economies, defense pacts and industries. The Great Depression would be a hopeful outlook. Rarely do I have the chance to say that I sincerely don’t want to eat people to survive.
This is the thing that blows my mind.
How can anyone hope for a major global power, or worse a superpower, to collapse as a nation is beyond me.
That won’t just affect the country itself like some kind of controlled demolition of a 3 floor building with subfloors for debris to sit nice and neat in.
Do you honestly think the countries who spend the most on military budgets (especially the one that spends more than the next several combined) will sit back and not use any of their inflated budgets to lash out at surrounding countries, or even some other country across the world? especially when they do that in peace time anyway?
When shit hits the fan, it goes everywhere.
A country in collapse will have plenty of break off states/cities/territories whose occupants just commandeer the military equipment, and when that’s happening all over the country, it’s not going to be pretty.
Imagine what Texas will do to Mexico when the federal government is no longer reining them in, their economy and ecology are collapsing, and they see a bunch of “free real estate” just across an imaginary line someone drew on a paper (or river)
I don’t want Russia to collapse. That will not be good for anyone in Russia, or the surrounding nations.
A lot of tankies weren’t alive when the Soviet union collapsed, and it shows.
If the US collapses as a state, it would lead to the deaths of hundreds of millions due to spontaneous shifts in politics, supply chains, global economies, defense pacts and industries.
I’ve said that to Tankies before and they’ve told me that’s a necessary sacrifice.
This is because they look at very surface level cause and effect often even swapping in correlation for cause and running with it. It was the same way during COVID with “let the old and weak die to make humanity stronger!”… technically true…it is the INSANE NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS that would change causing normal people concern. Between that mindset, belief over facts, and lack of empathy, they can self-dilude into any “alternate truth” they need to not feel the pain of being wrong or changing their ways.
Yep the correct response to that is always you first comrade. They’re so comfortable with the sacrificing the lives of others. But they would s*** their drawers if that was asked of them.
Because they know they’re probably not gonna be the ones starving.
Crashing through collapse into fascism probably looks like a wonderful idea when you’re sitting pretty outside the blast radius.
They come from a very privileged position. I pointed that out to one of them recently and their response was, “is the privilege in the room with you right now?” That takes some heavy cognitive dissonance to claim to be a communist but mock the idea of privilege.
It’s a theory of Stalinism from the immediate post war that basically amounted to throwing a fit that the US stabilized half of Europe with the Marshall Plan. So now they think letting capitalist societies collapse somehow magically makes communism happen.
Judging from the hugbox of this “mutual admiration society,” it does appear to be the new epithet.
We’re currently in harm reduction mode. We have been since the DNC picked Hilary over Bernie and then lost the election to Trump. We need to rally around the “not Trump” guy so we can keep Democracy going. Will it be rainbows and puppy dogs under Biden? No, it’s going to be keeping the status quo and not losing an extra 2% of our population to another pandemic or worse under Trump.
doesn’t address literally any of my comment lol. i cant conclude anything but you meant that reply for someone else. boy, you sure got egg on ur face L.M.A.O.
You’re right. They didn’t address your strawman. Instead, they addressed the actual discussion at hand.
strawman
It’s literally… in the picture… like, at the top of your screen…
The word “genocide” is not in the image OP posted. It’s an obvious strawman.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d did you see what Trump wants from Israel? Biden is a known entity, Trump is going to root for Israel to take Palestine. Probably an acceleration of the current genocide happening.
They didn’t address your comment because you’re not worth addressing except to call out and shame for being willingly and enthusiastically complicit in dismantling our democratic rights.
Not even insults are worth the time, the only way you’re worth being referred to is as a collaborationist.
Also, is “Everyone I disagree with is a Tankie” the mid-Left’s new “Everyone I disagree with is a Nazi?”
I mean, it’s not like there aren’t Tankies. Surely if you’ve run across them if you’ve been on Lemmy over a year.
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You literally just quoted a kvetch the fascists came up with to deflect accusations that they’re fascists by appealing to centrist sensibilities about keeping debates open.
You of all people should frankly be fucking ashamed to be openly using Nazi rhetoric to try and defend the indefensible.
This place is fucking illiterate
Tankies are fascists, so this isn’t surprising.
Tankies are not fascist, they are just willing to do whatever it takes to defend the socialist revolution.
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
Luke 23:34
Part my ramen and I’ll fight you, mate.
Whatever it takes including sending tanks after people because they don’t agree with your rule or am I missing something? Tankies is literally authoritarian or do you mean that your ideology is different and you want people to stop calling you that?
Lol, which is why historically they have coalitioned with the right to murder the socialists before the socialists could take power.
Such as justifying capitalist oligarchs that pretend to be socialists like Putin and Xi.
Actually, Putin doesn’t even pretend to be socialist. He’s pretty unashamedly capitalist. Tankies love the guy anyway.
Funny how the self-proclaimed vanguard of the radical left are just incoherent anti-western reactionaries wearing Marxism like a fig leaf, isn’t it? Like, I’m all for breaking down the current neoliberal capitalist hegemony, but you’ve gotta have a hole in your head to want to replace it with a literal crime syndicate masquerading as a government or an oppressive hyper-capitalist dictatorship with imperialistic ambitions.
I’m all for breaking down the current neoliberal capitalist hegemony
What would you replace it with?
An interesting question, with (I think) a range of viable answers, in the angels-on-pinheads sense of pure theory. I personally think the sweet spot would be a broadly social-democratic system where basic industries are socialized to varying degrees, a regulated free market exists for novel industries and goods we would think of as “discretionary spending” items, and the market regulator has the capacity to move industries gradually from the latter category towards the former as they mature and become foundational to the society and economy.
How are Marxists-Leninists preventing Social Democracy? They aren’t organized, they have no viable political parties, as far as I know, they don’t even hold any state, or federal offices. It seems your complaints are with the neoliberals that are firmly in control.
Are you confusing my argument that “tankies are useful idiots for authoritarianism whose actions have no relationship with their professed values” to imply that they’re somehow in the driver’s seat on anything? Or hell, that they’re even sincere Marxists?
Tankies don’t give a fuck about socialism.
Such as allying with the fascists so hard that Stalin was in talks to join the axis before Barbarossa.
If I was to give this point of the benefit of the doubt (which, to be clear, I don’t) what you’re saying is that tankies are accelerationists. And I get it, to an extent – a comfortable middle class isn’t going to be concerned about the depredations of the right until they start to find themselves in the crosshairs – but the last time fascists got their way in the world, more than 73 million people died. Arguing, in effect, that the aftermath of another world war will be better for the survivors is a… challenging point to defend when it requires you to dismiss the deaths of a significant percentage of the world’s population, especially when those most in danger from a rising right wing are those that a supposed left-winger should most want to protect. Sacrificing religious, ethnic, and sexual minorities on the altar of a better future for religious, ethnic, and sexual minorities doesn’t sit well with me.
Defending a revolution is not accelerationism. I have no idea how you got that from what they said, or generally where this idea of tankies being accelerationists comes from, it seems to be mostly something people make up about us. Accelerationism is stupid and reactionary.
Accelerationism is stupid and reactionary
So is Donald Trump.
Yes, he is. Not sure what that has to do with the incorrect claim that tankies are accelerationists.
Most tankies on lemmy spend a lot of time arguing for people to do things that lead to Trump bringing much of fascism to America. Not sure if you’d noticed.
I haven’t noticed any tankies supporting Trump, no.
Tankies, just like other fascists, are willing to do whatever it takes to gain and keep power, including pretending to support socialism
Stalinism wasn’t counter-revolutionary?
Is that in the meme? In my opinion, Stalin was counter-revolutionary to Marxism:
Thus, as Trotsky long ago foresaw, the successes of planned economy at home and the advances of the revolution abroad sharpened the internal contradictions of Soviet society, bringing them to explosive political expression against the totalitarian regime of the bureaucratic oligarchy that usurped power following the death of Lenin
But I don’t reject what he was trying to achieve, as I don’t reject what Xi is trying in China. Don’t let Perfect be the enemy of Good.
Achieving absolute perfection may be impossible; one should not let the struggle for perfection stand in the way of appreciating or executing on something that is imperfect but still of value.
You’re implying that more capitalism is progress.
It can be. Capitalism as an economic system is efficient at raising industrial standards. Capitalism, as a tool for industrialization isn’t bad.
The problem with capitalism is that it strains social relations within the system by producing inequality of wealth distribution.
Technology-driven changes in production make new social forms possible, such that old social forms and classes become outmoded and displaced by new ones. Once, the dominant class were the land owning lords. But the new industrial system produced a new dominant class: the capitalists. source
Capitalism isn’t evil, it’s a tool. But the social relations capitalism creates is oppressive, and will be dismantled.
If you’re willing to do “whatever it takes” including instituting fascism, you’re a fascist.
A socialist revolution by definition cannot be fascist, fascism is a far right movement and a socialist revolution is far left movement they both have authoritarian aspects, but are polar opposites as far as the goals of each movement. Socialism is for the benefit of all, fascism is for the benefit of the few.
Also I’m not an accelerationist and am voting for Biden, there is no where near enough class conciousness in the States for a Prolitariat Revolution to occur, but once that critical tipping point is reached I think Landlords and Billionaires should get the wall if they refuse to peacefully give up their hordes of wealth and property for the common good and that the revolution should be defended by any means necessary.
Fine, I will grant you, you aren’t fascists. Fascists hate people and want to kill them.
Tankies love “the revolution” more than the people they want to benefit. You may not see it as breaking a few eggs to make an omelette, but when you sit out an election where the fascists have a better than coin flip odds of seizing power, you are effectively letting them do that. And if you’re willing to let trans people die in camps for… what was it? “Enough class consciousness to build” then… well, fuck you and your revolution.
Like, also this reveals your total all encompassing privilege. Because look dude, if the fascists are putting trans people and immigrants into camps, do you really think they will spare you? Or do you just think you’re white enough that you’ll go under the radar until your “revolution” happens?
Also, fuck any revolution that involves taking up the tools and institutions of power. Those need to be ground to dust
Tankies are like NRA lunatics that dream with the chance to shoot somebody, but are scared to try alone.
I’m not sure about that; I think a lot of radicalizing discourse of late comes from the same place. Life under late stage capitalism is hard, and people are not sure why, nor can they articulate it. And they can tell it’s getting worse. Its a rife breeding ground for fascists, but when you hit leftist spaces, the tankies have the biggest net. You’ll be greeted by r/socialism, and find yourself in its web of subs. You might get pulled in by a Gravel Institute video (especially since you might be aware of Prager U and are interested in a video from the other end). It might be Chapo Trap House. And a lot of entry points into Tankie spaces are extremely compelling. For a lot of people, it will be the first anti Imperial talking points they will ever hear, with no liberal “but this is the greatest nation” filter.
I think this content is actually good and useful. The USA is guilty of myriad atrocities that its citizenry doesn’t know about, or the full depth, or doesn’t think about in order to get through their daily life.
But then after you get past that, the Tankie reveals himself to be “Anti Nato” without an cohesive political or moral position, in a very “politics as a team sport” kind of way. Russia is a moderately sized challenger to NATO, so they love it. It is also a successor state to a Red Empire. Ukraine is NATO making overtures to NATO, so they don’t like it. Israel is an imperialist NATO outpost, and they are committing a genocide, so of course they don’t like it, but so many tankies have shown their whole ass diving into Antisemitism, making fun of Jewish names, or Jewish influence on policy, that Ive exited most of the tankie spaces I was still in. Antizionism is not antisemitism, and they are antisemites.
But compare that to China, where they deny a genocide because it is being perpetrated by the largest challenger to NATO and still nominally communist state in the world, and you have your answer.
the Tankie reveals himself to be “Anti Nato” without an cohesive political or moral position
Opposition to NATO is a cohesive political position. We’re happy to explain our views when people are willing to hear us out, generally though, people just want to put nonsense into our mouths and then call us nonsensical.
but so many tankies have shown their whole ass diving into Antisemitism, making fun of Jewish names, or Jewish influence on policy, that Ive exited most of the tankie spaces I was still in. Antizionism is not antisemitism, and they are antisemites.
As usual about accusations towards tankies, there’s no link. Show your receipts or stop making stuff up.
I’m not going to try to read on your ideology, but I think you’re missing why people dislike tankies.
It’s not that they are against NATO, Israel, US, Ukraine… Or that they support Russia, China…
The problems are two:
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Absolute belief that the world is black and white, and that their side is a paragon of virtue and quality of life, and human rights… Any and all criticism is “western propaganda”. This means anything they can’t deny is the others side fault “Zelensky is to blame for defending” and “Israel is to blame for attacking”.
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Beyond just “excusing” the atrocities, they love them. Anybody who opposes them is a valid target. They might rationalize it in some cases, but in the end there are no innocent civilians unless they support them.
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But compare that to China, where they deny a genocide because it is being perpetrated by the largest challenger to NATO and still nominally communist state in the world, and you have your answer.
In fairness most people deny the genocide claims made by the anti=China think-tanks.
Lol what? Please tell me what exactly i said that implies im ok with trans folks and immigrants being rounded up in camps?
project 2025 is not a socialist revolution
If they’re voting for Biden then why are they saying they won’t vote for Biden and are encouraging others not to vote for Biden? 🤔
I mean some might be fascists from like 8chan RPing as tankies. If I recall like a white republican congressman had a sockpuppet where he pretended to be a black guy.
You have to assume a certain amount of pro-trump stuff is straight up BS
You have a choice between 1) capitalism that’s free for all, fuck the earth, and fuck the workers, disband the EPA, OSHA, FTC, or 2) capitalism that’s regulated, with environmental protection, worker protections, minimum wages, workplace standards, product regulations, etc. The choice should be obvious.
To place Russian communism and Nazi-fascism on the same moral plane, in that both would be totalitarian, is superficial at best, fascism at worst. Whoever insists on this equation may well consider himself a democrat, in truth and in the bottom of his heart he is in fact already a fascist, and certainly only in a hypocritical and insincere way will he fight fascism, while reserving all his hatred for communism.
- Thomas Mann
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The real nazis were the friends we made along the way.
Poignant, thanks.
It’s true because Thomas said it?
Then read Listen Germany!
NO U
Stunning. Incredible take.
Also they said fascism, not nazi-fascism. Tankies aren’t nazis. They excuse completely different genocides than the holocaust.
They said tankies, not Russian communism.
Everybody knows russian communism is marginally better than fascism, except those who survived it and fascistly say it’s as bad.
There’s no such thing as Russian communism. They never were communist and never will be communist. They liked the word communist. Or at least saying it a lot. They liked also pretend that it was their aspiration to become communist. But no Marxist leninist government has ever or will ever achieve communism. But they will ruin its name with their hypocritical Behavior.
There is a difference between a fascist and a Marxist leninist. But they are both authoritarian. So it isn’t massive. And if you cross the end group in either one your life is forfeit.
Russia is an oligarchy, not a communist state. Where have you been since the 1990s?
Tankie is only ever used when the user doesn’t want to say ‘fascist’ outright, for predictable reasons.
tankie means leftist i dont like
wait til this guy learns about World War Two
Lol that is such stupid nonsense wtf 😂
Found the tankie
Horseshoe theory proven right yet again
Since when has the American main stream media been tankies? Sounds like you’re doing everything you can to cope. But keep banging the drum of “he isn’t Trump”. It will surely work.
Right?
That’s enough to save America?
Those are your words. You better be right.
Since when has the American main stream media been tankies?
American main stream media has stated that they will not vote for Biden? Is American main stream media in the room with us right now? Can you point him out?
Those are your words.
When and where did I say them?
Are you really trying to act like mainstream media isn’t scared shitless right now of Biden’s presidential run? Are you blind or just trying to stay ignorant on purpose?
How am I acting like that?
