Probably a better place than wherever you got the delusion that anybody but bougie upper middle class white kids are seriously pitching a fight about this shit still when the Supreme Court just endorsed Trump putting everyone else in camps as long as he calls it an “official act”

Literally nobody else could be so blinded by their privilege to not see the bigger picture as its illuminated with big neon signs and blasting an air raid siren to draw attention to itself.

Also, only a bougie white kid feels the need to call foul about “the race card.”

Man the self declared totally legit leftists in this thread just be borrowing all the neo-nazi wafflisms.

Gaslight Gatekeep Girlboss I guess, might as well get that last one out of the way before Trump official acts the handmaiden’s tale into state policy.

It’s a theory of Stalinism from the immediate post war that basically amounted to throwing a fit that the US stabilized half of Europe with the Marshall Plan. So now they think letting capitalist societies collapse somehow magically makes communism happen.

If the US collapses as a state, it would lead to the deaths of hundreds of millions due to spontaneous shifts in politics, supply chains, global economies, defense pacts and industries.

I’ve said that to Tankies before and they’ve told me that’s a necessary sacrifice.

This is the thing that blows my mind.

How can anyone hope for a major global power, or worse a superpower, to collapse as a nation is beyond me.

That won’t just affect the country itself like some kind of controlled demolition of a 3 floor building with subfloors for debris to sit nice and neat in.

Do you honestly think the countries who spend the most on military budgets (especially the one that spends more than the next several combined) will sit back and not use any of their inflated budgets to lash out at surrounding countries, or even some other country across the world? especially when they do that in peace time anyway?

When shit hits the fan, it goes everywhere.

A country in collapse will have plenty of break off states/cities/territories whose occupants just commandeer the military equipment, and when that’s happening all over the country, it’s not going to be pretty.

Imagine what Texas will do to Mexico when the federal government is no longer reining them in, their economy and ecology are collapsing, and they see a bunch of “free real estate” just across an imaginary line someone drew on a paper (or river)

I don’t want Russia to collapse. That will not be good for anyone in Russia, or the surrounding nations.

A lot of tankies weren’t alive when the Soviet union collapsed, and it shows.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d did you see what Trump wants from Israel? Biden is a known entity, Trump is going to root for Israel to take Palestine. Probably an acceleration of the current genocide happening.

You’re right. They didn’t address your strawman. Instead, they addressed the actual discussion at hand.

They didn’t address your comment because you’re not worth addressing except to call out and shame for being willingly and enthusiastically complicit in dismantling our democratic rights.

Not even insults are worth the time, the only way you’re worth being referred to is as a collaborationist.

Because those exact same fears I have should apply to you personally too. We have exactly two options. One will kill us both, and the other wont. Getting to say I told you so while were in a camp isnt helping Palestinians now is it?

I’m neither a tankie nor a maga but disagree with it. This weird all or nothing, “if you’re not with us you’re against” us shit is toxic. It’s toxic to you and your goals.

You’ll have to lie in the bed you shit in, but hopefully you manage to see who took the shit instead of blaming whatever group you can to not take responsibility.

Thrall.

Nah, there’s folks actually named that, a lot of whom are very against this all.

It’s gotta be a creature or a thing or some other kind of title for it to work best as a generalized name.

if he dropped out the dems would lose ballot access in some states

Biden has a VP that can take over and a whole administration to take care of things.

And there’s nobody else but his own VP who even have a chance, and might as well stay as Biden’s VP instead of introducing a new random person to the national vote. If Biden gives in before the end of the next term she’ll be the next president anyway

No, you don’t understand. It’s obvious from the polling that 60% of voters are “tankies.” /s

Yet fools like you say this, but don’t offer any suggestions. Tell me, who do you think could replace Biden on the ballot now and stand a chance of winning?

I’m just waiting for the bullshit “literally anyone else” as an answer.

Do you think Biden should drop out and be replaced by a Dem who could do better in the polls?

Absolutely.

But you’re the type to insist that he should stay in the race despite losing in the polls right?

Based on what?

Are you going to ignore how Hitler first killed the Socialist have you ever heard that poem that has the line when they came for the Jews I said nothing for I was not a Jew and when they came for me there was no one else left go reread that poem and tell me who the first people they took where?

It’s not secret that Marxists and Fascists hated each other. Then again they hate everyone who isn’t from the right groups and doesn’t entirely agree with them. Still doesn’t change the fact that the Soviets and the Nazis did in fact sign an alliance that led to them invading Poland together… You know, the thing that led France and the UK to declare war on Hitler and officially begin WWII.

Do you know the Nazis killed more Soviet soldiers than any other country soldiers and that Soviets killed more Nazis than any other country killed Nazis.

That’s stupid. Of course there were going to be more deaths from both of them against each other because more soliders fought on the Eastern front than any other front. The Soviet Union and Germany were only two powers on that front. Them exchanging more deaths doesn’t mean what you think it does.

Both my grandfathers were American soldiers during World War II one of them went to prisoner of Work Camp in Nazi Germany do you want to know who Freedom the f****** Soviets.

Okay, but how this detract from the fact that the Soviets having their own work camps? The Soviet gulags were infamous. They had somewhere between 10 and 20 million prisoners between 1930 and 1953, and about 1 to 2 million were killed.

Do you know what country marched on Berlin and ended Nazi Germany?

Go to Berlin or ANY Eastern European country and ask them how the Soviet experience was. You’ll find that most people see the Soviets and the Nazis in the same light. They weren’t liberators, but ruthless conquerors. The Eastern European countries quickly realized when the Soviets rolled through that they weren’t freed, but rather “under new management”.

You’re fucking ignorant. Horseshoe theory is propaganda the US came up with during the Cold War. Read a book

I don’t think you understand that the Nazis ≠ Fascism, the Soviets ≠ Marxism, and the Soviets and Nazis fighting each other doesn’t make the ideologies opposites. Mussolini, the founder of fascism, was literally a life long Marxist before he created fascism as alternative to the flaws he saw with the socialists at the time. Fascism and Marxism are quite literally sister ideologies.

This idea that these two ideologies are polar opposites stems from Soviet propaganda post war that they used to justify their tyranny and atrocities. It was a tool to keep people in line and purge out opposition. The reality is that they’re more similar than different.

when the USSR quashed the Hungarian revolution

quashed the Hungarian communist (democratic worker) revolution; lowercase.

Yup, it even predates Tiananmen Square by a few decades IIRC

I joined during the Reddit migration and ended up dealing with Tankies almost immediately. Before Lemmy I always thought most Communists would claim that true communism hasnt happened yet, I was NOT expecting people who aggressively protected safe spaces and didnt allow any level of words that could be considered slurs to think that Russia and China have done nothing wrong and are super great countries

Yup, when I first joined I wanted to join lemmy.ml because “oh I like machine learning”.

Those were the days…

How am I acting like that?

All I know is Russia never invaded my country and overthrew the democracy to install a king

Wgaf about Eastern Europeans, am I right? /s