• Krono@lemmy.today
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    6 months ago

    You’re right, it’s not all Bidens fault. There are many evil actors in this conflict. But that doesn’t mean Bidens hands are clean.

    Hes the one supplying all the bombs, going so far as to hide humanitarian reports and circumventing US law so the munitions can keep flowing.

    Hes the leader of the nation which is vetoing UN peace agreements.

    He is spreading pro-genocide propaganda. Remember when he went on live television to address the nation and said that he saw pictures of 40 beheaded babies? What a horrific thing to lie about.

    If the Nuremburg laws would apply to US presidents, then each one of these actions would be legal grounds to convict Joe Biden for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

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      6 months ago

      All of these things, but still Biden does not directly have the power to end this conflict. Blaming him for it happening as if he’s the one crushing Palestinians under the rubble of their houses is dishonest.

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        6 months ago

        Reagan called up Israel one night and told them to stop their assault on Lebanon. Israel stopped in less than 24 hours.

        HW Bush called up Israel and ended that conflict overnight.

        What makes you think Biden does not have the same power?

        And if a phone call doesn’t work, he could stop sending bombs. He could stop providing political cover. Instead of handing Israel billions of taxpayer dollars, he could impose economic sanctions like we did to Russia.

        Joe Biden could turn Israel into a militarily vulnerable pariah state. What makes you think that this isn’t enough leverage to end the genocide?

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          6 months ago

          There’s no magic button that ends this conflict, except the one that lies on Netanyahu’s desk. Israel isn’t dependent on the US in the way that you’re trying to make it sound. If the US pulls away from Israel, it creates a vacuum that US’s adversaries are chomping at the bit to fill.

          They won’t suddenly go broke. They won’t suddenly be disarmed. They won’t suddenly decide the war isn’t worth it. They will take money and weapons from other nations who want their influence in the middle east and the only thing that will change is the US losing that influence.

          Look, I’m not saying that Biden’s hands are clean either. The US as a governmental body is complicit in this heinous war.

          What I am saying is that you are woefully naive if you think a phone call could end this. That phone call already happened. It was international news. Netanyahu laughed in Biden’s face.

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            6 months ago

            They will take money and weapons from other nations who want their influence in the middle east and the only thing that will change is the US losing that influence.

            If the US stops supporting Israel, which other nation will step in and send them 1500lb bombs, highly advanced targeting systems, tens of thousands of artillery shells (theres a worldwide shortage), propelling charges for howitzers, hellfire missiles, disposable shoulder fired rockets, and a plethora of small arms? Be specific.

            There are only 4 or 5 nations with the ability to supply the weaponry that Israel needs. China and Russia have been opposed to the genocide since the beginning, so unless they take a dramatic self-destructive turn, this only leaves western nations. Do you think Germany, Japan, or South Korea would defy the US in order to support Israel?

            That phone call already happened. It was international news.

            Can you provide a source for this?

            The only story I’m aware of is how Biden’s aides have been leaking how hes having confrontational phone calls with Netanyahu. This is obvious spin in order to placate the anti-genocide sentiment in this country. If you actually believe this narrative then you are the woefully naive one.

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              6 months ago

              The call where Biden urged a ceasefire and Netanyahu completely ignored it? I think you think the US has more power in this situation than they actually do.

              Could Israel continue this war without US aid?

              The US provides about 1% of Israel’s GDP in military aid and Israel already exports weapons and ammo it doesn’t need. Who would provide American-centric weaponry is irrelevant to the question of whether the war would stop.

              To add to that, it literally doesn’t matter who steps in to aid Israel, as the aid itself is less important than the potential ally and the strategic act of robbing the US of influence in the middle east. You think Russia or China wouldn’t stoop to changing their position on a massacre to get a step up politically? Two countries currently hosting genocides of their own?

              A magic stop button doesn’t exist for the US. We’re clearly not going to agree on that so this is where our conversation ends. Goodnight.