it does represent most of israel though.
I mean his “actions” in gaza has 85% rating in israel and alot of other 15% is that he doesn’t do enough.
We can oppose genocide without anti semetic bullshit.
I wish we could say the same about Israelis.
Not all Israelis support netanyahu or the death/colonisation. Even if maybe the majority do.
Too many do, unfortunately.
How can I tell decent Jewish organizations from those who actively support genocide?
Legitimately, the fact that they’re an American org will usually be a fair indicator.
The zionist movement fell flat on its face in the US during the foundation of Israel, so most pro-palestinian jewish activism will be based out of the US as well.
This dynamic has intensified enough since that initial split that Israeli Judaism has actually taken on fundamentally different qualities from American Judaism, to the point where some scholars would consider them separate denominational groups.
It’s also fostered enough bad blood that a frequent dismissal of Israelis when hearing of Jews who oppose the settlement project is to say “they must just be stupid Americans.”
They legit try to do the "they aren’t authentic!" bit other old worlders and Latine folks will whip out when putting down their American cousins for not being identical to them, except with the Israelis it’s even funnier because bitch you ain’t where you came from either, that was literally the whole point of this great displacement project y’all whipped up!
Read what they and their representatives publish and post on official social media accounts.
Those who support the genocide in deed are almost never shy about doing so with words too.
Anyways, Jewish Voice For Peace are the gold standard in accurate naming and one of the best anti war crime organizations in the world, so that’s at least one right there 🙂
The jewish population in israel is in a better position go effect change than the loudest voices anywhere else
And most of them happily endorse the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestine. We need to oust the Israelis as the fascists they are and make it clear that they do no speak for Jews in general and their fascist ideology is in direct contradiction to the values of Judaism. I am most worried for and most impressed by the few Jews in Israel that fight this fascist regime and get attacked and in return by it, while the West proclaims to stand for the fight against antisemitism by supporting the abuse of Jews who stand up for Jewish values.
Read from Israeli activists like Ilan Papé describe the Israeli society as a fascist supremacist society. they don’t care about the right of Palestinians to live freely on their land.
I’m not arguing that what you’re saying isn’t true, but what does it have to do with OP’s post?
I wasn’t talking about all jews around the world of course not, but arguing that Jewish people living in Israel and other jews supporting Israel are just as equally as responsible as the state of Israel. you wouldn’t even hear a shred of concern towards the Palestinians beings bombed by their own people with their own money.
Participating in the Israeli conquest and ethnic purge absolutely deserves hatred and disgust.
This goes well beyond the Israeli’s right most partisan faction and extends to the entire Zionist movement.
Look, taking OP’s context into account, it sounds like you’re saying that you hold ethnic hatred and disgust for Jews.
I am hoping that’s not what you’re saying here, but again, looking at OP’s meme, and your responses to it and to me, I honestly can’t reach any other conclusion.
you hold ethnic hatred and disgust for Jews
Is Zionism an ethnicity? Does that mean anti-Zionist Jews aren’t Jewish?
I honestly can’t reach any other conclusion
Reach harder
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that OP said that hatred of Jews isn’t justified, and you sound like you are disagreeing.
OP said that hatred of Jews isn’t justified
Conflating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism is a right wing Israel talking point.
I thought we established that we don’t like them
Israel is a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist project regardless of what government it has. That is what it has been since the day it was created, that is what it will be until the day it is dismantled.
This will not change no matter where it’s government sits on your silly little political axis infographic.
Most people living there (with or without Israeli passport) do not want to be complicit in the project you are describing, so clearly no. What you are describing is the agenda of a minority.
so clearly no.
Which part of…
Israel is a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist project regardless of what government it has.
…didn’t you comprehend the first time around?
You dehumanize people for existing in a social construct they have not created and most of them have not chosen and some of them have no option of leaving. You write as if you want to protect people from hatred or atrocities, yet your wording is nothing but fuelling more hatred and atrocities.
You dehumanize people for existing in a social construct they have not created
And again - which part of…
Israel is a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist project regardless of what government it has.
…are you still having a hard time comprehending?
It does not matter what this or that individual Israeli citizen’s personal feels are on the matter - it does not change the fact that Israel is a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist project regardless of what government it has.
There’s nothing complicated about this.
I’m very opposed to Israels current actions. I don’t think Israel should have been created. I think they are guilty of genocide and apartheid. None of that makes is OK to talk of dismantling Israel. The fact that they have committed hateful crimes against humanity does not justify visiting similar crimes against them. You cannot just dispossess a whole people of their land. It’s a crime when Israel does it and it would be a crime to do it to them, too
makes is OK to talk of dismantling Israel.
It is perfectly okay - and necessary - to talk about dismantling Israel. It is even more okay to actually do it.
You cannot just dispossess a whole people of their land.
You mean… like was done by Israel since 1948? I’m going to guess you also think the Soviet Union tossing Nazi Germany out of western Russia was some “great injustice?”
It’s amazing how easily you liberals turn pro-colonialist at the drop of a hat. It’s almost like you’re no less right-wing than your (so-called) “conservative” cousins - you just need a different flavor of propaganda before you start shilling for the status quo.
FFS I’m not a liberal. At least not in the sense that Americans use the word. I’m anti crimes against humanity.
I don’t know why you bother talking to anyone on social media if you’re just going to to make up what you imagine they’re saying.
I’m not a liberal
You sure about that? Pearl-clutching about a genocidal white supremacist state’s crimes while unwilling to entertain the idea of actually doing anything real about it sounds like garden-variety liberal SOP to me.
You have no idea what I think
Then tell me what you think… as opposed to what the lib media has told you to think.
Oh fuck off you facetious fuck. You fucking lob insults at me in post after post and now you want me to spend time explaining myself to you? Go fuck yourself
I really wish this didn’t need to be clarified every few days. Thanks, zionists and white supremacists!
South Park’s comedic antics will be lost on droves of beautiful souls unless The Critic is rebooted.
Same for Americans. There are some good ones in there.
Actually Canadians are from a completely different country
on a sidenote how’s this format a meme, it’s just weird to me
The very belief that the decisions of the powerful few are a reflection of the opinions of the people as a whole is how we got ourselves into this mess in the first place…
I only hate the zionists and a great many of them are not Jewish.
Many of them are open antisemites even. Zionism and Antisemitism are allied ideologies.
Well that’s counterintuitive. Where’d you learn that?
It is counterintuitive but it does make sense. You see the initial plan the Nazis used to try to get rid of the Jews was to expel them from Germany. They had no problem if the Jews all grouped together and settled their own country so long as it was somewhere else. Far away from them. (And when they didn’t leave they made conditions horrible for them). That’s why antisemites love Zionism; it’s a way to get rid of the Jewish population in their country without dirtying their hands with ethnic cleansing. Which is how we get to conspiracy nutjobs who rant about Jewish space lasers setting forest fires in the US for some reason, turning around and enthusiastically supporting Israel and defence aid for Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_antisemitism
To put it briefly. Zionism is a ethno-nationalist ideology. One country for each ethnicity and were the dominating ethnicity gets to supress every minority. This on the one hand is what whit supremacist fascists believe too. On the other hand Israels key claim to its right to exist at the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is that Israel would be the only safe place for Jews in the world. If Jews are persecuted and discriminated against outside of Israel this is good for Israel as they can justify their existence with it. For Antisemites historically and today it is great to allow for an out to “get rid of the Jews” by sending them to Israel. Exactly what was done by Britain.
So they both share the same ideological core, which is ethnostates (“Blut und Boden” - blood and soil, like the Nazis called it) and operatively they profit from each other.
And opposing those actions is not antisemitic.
We take those two things together as truth and we are getting somewhere.
It’s when that “criticism” is coupled with demands for Israels destruction and the ouster and/or murder of All of it’s Jews, then yes it is antisemitic. You show me a live “protest” against Israels actions, on film, anytime in the last 10 years, and I will make you wind that video long enough to show the From the River To the Sea, and Hamas banners, and the Jews are the New Nazis, in EVERY SINGLE “PROTEST” THAT HAS HAPPENED AND IS HAPPENING NOW
If you’re divorced from the reality of the antisemitism at the heart of the terrorism Israel has suffered, and are divorced from the antisemitism at the core of the Israel “protests” you’re only kidding yourself, and anyone who truly cares about peace
demands for Israels destruction and the ouster and/or murder of All of it’s Jews
From the River To the Sea, and Hamas banners, and the Jews are the New Nazis
These are not the same thing.
Tbf “from the river to the sea” and “Israel destruction” are pretty much the same thing.
You realize that this proclamation was first made by the Zionists who meant the genocide of Palestinians with it? This is strongly opposed from the Palestinians who demand freedom and rights from the River to the Sea and rightfully so.
A state with equals rights on th former Mandatory Palestine territory would free “from the river to the see”. If you think that it’s imply the destruction of the state of Israel, it’s mean that for you, the very existence of the Israel State couldn’t lead to the freedom of people on that territory.
If this only thing that matter is freedom, this exactly what is shout out.
If you thing this dog whistle, give sources. The only one I found was zionist organizations. In a time of war, I’m not sure we could rely on its.
I wish the mods would stop removing comments and instead refute them.
Would be more helpful and productive.
Seems like some very motivated reasoning, there
Couldn’t let it be could you?
fantasy?
when jews are being threatened, beaten, raped, and murdered just for being jewish, in israel and all across the rest of the world, as has been the case for the last two millenia? and cretins are jumping on the fuck the jews no matter what bandwaggon, you know, just cause. to defend islamic terrorism?
no, i won’t ever “let it be”
go sell your bubbemise someplace else, i ain’t buyin
Cretins? Not sure that’s a word you want to use, pal, it’s a pretty bad slur.
