Gendered languages are quite confounding; one day I hope those languages become more accommodating to those who either realized they didn’t identify with a gender and threw it away. Or worse, got their gender pickpocketed in a seedy part of town, because some tossers were quite desperate!
I’ve asked the following question before and I’ve never gotten a good answer - why do the words need a gendered suffix at all? Why can’t the final O and A letters simply be omitted from all words that aren’t inherently gendered? Like the word for library is 'bibliotheca", so why can’t it just be called “bibliothec”?
The long and short of it is that it was decided on however long ago and now the people who learn the language growing up are used to it and they decide the rules that are followed.
English (and any non-native language) does many weird things that native speakers are just used to and will get upset if you try and change it.
That’s sort of exactly why i as an individual don’t understand why they don’t do it, because I’m a native english speaker and there’s a lot i would like to change about it. Like imo in spelling, almost all the silent letters that don’t effect pronunciation should be eliminated. Debt should be spelled det, night should be spelled nite
You do realize that this is kinda bad, right? No english spelling reform ever took hold because of the vast difference in english pronounciation. your “nite” might completely differ from the aussie version of “night”. so you’d have to declare one dialect to be the supreme one. That’ll be fun :)
Secondly: Gender and gendered terms are sociallinguistic conventions. And they do not follow stereotypical gender norms. Often they radiate outwards from gendered terms for humans and then encompass things that follow similar sound structures. sometimes gender is historically motivated: Spanish generally divides things along the lines of “does it end with an -a or -o” and then assigns gender. But terms like “diversidad” stem from female latin words and retain their gender. “problema” seems feminine, but stems from a male greek word and is therefore male. Not because “tHe MaLeS aRe ThE PrrObLeM”, but because ancient greek sound structures classified this as “male-sounding” and Spanish ran with it.
In German, “das Mädchen” (the girl) is neutral. Not bevause all girl are secretly enbies or equivalent to possesions, but the diminuitive “-chen” turns things neutral.
all that to say: “Why dont they do that” can always answered with a resounding “Why dont you have feature x?”. Why doesnt English use eventiality or cases or dual and trial numeri or tones or different conjugations depending on registers? Because the language didnt develope that way.
In German, “das Mädchen” (the girl) is neutral. Not bevause all girl are secretly enbies or equivalent to possesions, but the diminuitive “-chen” turns things neutral.
There’s actually a somewhat tongue-in-cheek proposal to solve the “Doctor/Doctress” problem by turning absolutely everything diminutive. Das Präsidentchen, das Bundeskanzlerchen, etc.
In case of night this might work, but for words like might it doesnt. Might now becomes orthographically indistinguishable from mite. Right and rite also lose their distinction.
I think the answer to every “Why doesn’t this language work like this” question is “because it doesn’t work like that”.
Also since the definite articles (e.g “the”) is just the vowels, you lose them entirely. And words would just sound weird cause it would create sounds that don’t really exist in the languages
The only reason this hasn’t changed yet is that speakers of a particular language haven’t committed strongly to that sort of alteration. If enough people consistently change spellings and pronunciations, eventually the language will experience a shift. It could make pointlessly gendered words become neutral, like they should’ve been to begin with! Human built places can’t have a gender, and it’s silly to assign gendered language to such places or ideas. This current generation is committed to the idea of how they learned to speak, and it’s hard for individuals to let that go. That’s the best answer which I’ve considered. It might not satisfy you.
Genus isnt sexus. The chair isnt female in Spanish because ancient Spaniard it might have titties, its feminine because of its phonology. La silla ends with an a, so it gets the la article.
Why does English still use actor and actress? why do you use definite articles instead of marking definiteness with prefixes? Why do i have to “i saw Mike steal your bike” instead of included something inside of the verb “see” to mark that i witnessed it?
Language is just that. An evolution of changes that happened throughout millenia and rarely was any pressure applird to that change.
I’m not going to intuitively know what gender a chair is
There’s phonological rules. Just don’t try to ask a native speaker about them we have them internalised and thus intuit everything, actually look them up.
Gendered languages are quite confounding; one day I hope those languages become more accommodating to those who either realized they didn’t identify with a gender and threw it away. Or worse, got their gender pickpocketed in a seedy part of town, because some tossers were quite desperate!
It’s just one more thing to memorize when trying to learn them. I’m not going to intuitively know what gender a chair is…
I’ve asked the following question before and I’ve never gotten a good answer - why do the words need a gendered suffix at all? Why can’t the final O and A letters simply be omitted from all words that aren’t inherently gendered? Like the word for library is 'bibliotheca", so why can’t it just be called “bibliothec”?
The long and short of it is that it was decided on however long ago and now the people who learn the language growing up are used to it and they decide the rules that are followed.
English (and any non-native language) does many weird things that native speakers are just used to and will get upset if you try and change it.
That’s sort of exactly why i as an individual don’t understand why they don’t do it, because I’m a native english speaker and there’s a lot i would like to change about it. Like imo in spelling, almost all the silent letters that don’t effect pronunciation should be eliminated. Debt should be spelled det, night should be spelled nite
I pronounce epitome as epi-tome and refuse to change it no matter how many times I’m “corrected”
Are you one of those parmeseeean guys?
You do realize that this is kinda bad, right? No english spelling reform ever took hold because of the vast difference in english pronounciation. your “nite” might completely differ from the aussie version of “night”. so you’d have to declare one dialect to be the supreme one. That’ll be fun :)
Secondly: Gender and gendered terms are sociallinguistic conventions. And they do not follow stereotypical gender norms. Often they radiate outwards from gendered terms for humans and then encompass things that follow similar sound structures. sometimes gender is historically motivated: Spanish generally divides things along the lines of “does it end with an -a or -o” and then assigns gender. But terms like “diversidad” stem from female latin words and retain their gender. “problema” seems feminine, but stems from a male greek word and is therefore male. Not because “tHe MaLeS aRe ThE PrrObLeM”, but because ancient greek sound structures classified this as “male-sounding” and Spanish ran with it.
In German, “das Mädchen” (the girl) is neutral. Not bevause all girl are secretly enbies or equivalent to possesions, but the diminuitive “-chen” turns things neutral.
all that to say: “Why dont they do that” can always answered with a resounding “Why dont you have feature x?”. Why doesnt English use eventiality or cases or dual and trial numeri or tones or different conjugations depending on registers? Because the language didnt develope that way.
There’s actually a somewhat tongue-in-cheek proposal to solve the “Doctor/Doctress” problem by turning absolutely everything diminutive. Das Präsidentchen, das Bundeskanzlerchen, etc.
there are soooo many proposals, but thats actually one i like. of course, it would render the entire diminuitive meaningless, buuuut its cute uwu
There isn’t a single widely-used english dialect that pronounces the g in night.
In case of night this might work, but for words like might it doesnt. Might now becomes orthographically indistinguishable from mite. Right and rite also lose their distinction.
I think the answer to every “Why doesn’t this language work like this” question is “because it doesn’t work like that”.
Also since the definite articles (e.g “the”) is just the vowels, you lose them entirely. And words would just sound weird cause it would create sounds that don’t really exist in the languages
The only reason this hasn’t changed yet is that speakers of a particular language haven’t committed strongly to that sort of alteration. If enough people consistently change spellings and pronunciations, eventually the language will experience a shift. It could make pointlessly gendered words become neutral, like they should’ve been to begin with! Human built places can’t have a gender, and it’s silly to assign gendered language to such places or ideas. This current generation is committed to the idea of how they learned to speak, and it’s hard for individuals to let that go. That’s the best answer which I’ve considered. It might not satisfy you.
Genus isnt sexus. The chair isnt female in Spanish because ancient Spaniard it might have titties, its feminine because of its phonology. La silla ends with an a, so it gets the la article.
Why does English still use actor and actress? why do you use definite articles instead of marking definiteness with prefixes? Why do i have to “i saw Mike steal your bike” instead of included something inside of the verb “see” to mark that i witnessed it?
Language is just that. An evolution of changes that happened throughout millenia and rarely was any pressure applird to that change.
I hope one day people will be ready for the titty chair and we can drop this whole façade
finally, we can impose our gender norms and hierarchies on inanimate objects
There’s phonological rules. Just don’t try to ask a native speaker about them we have them internalised and thus intuit everything, actually look them up.