I’m not a native English speaker, but should it be called “anniversary”? I thought it’s only for something to be celebrate?
Too bad the shooter wasn’t black. The cops weren’t trained for this.
This is a cop problem, not a gun problem. All the guns were working, including the shooter’s. The cops saw fit to take their lunch hour instead of working.
This is a cop problem, not a gun problem. All the guns were working, including the shooter’s. The cops saw fit to take their lunch hour instead of working.
This. Specifically it’s a “police do not have a duty to protect” problem, that stems from a series of court cases going back to at least the 80s.
I think it’s a problem that cops are just hired employees rather than anything more significant than that.
I mean, if it were up to me they would be paid better, required to insure both individually and at a department level against damages to civilian persons and property, and subject to much stricter civilian scrutiny.
They would keep qualified immunity, but with much tighter reigns on the “qualified” part. Immunity only when necessary, with civilian oversight as to when that is. We would toss out the thing where police are not liable for damages done by them, they would be responsible for and expected to insure against it.
The insurance thing is two tiered for a.similar reason - if the damage is deemed necessary for law enforcement purposes by civilian oversight then it would be on the city and the city’s insurance to pay for it, if not then on the officer and the officer’s insurance. This eventually prices bad (but not quite criminally bad) officers out of the job.
Are you a doctor?
No, but malpractice insurance was exactly what I was thinking about as a model.
Really enraging to have all those Punisher logos juxtaposed with their cowering and pants pissing.
Uvalde is majority-minority. If cops went in, more kids probably would’ve died.
That’s tongue-in-cheek gallows humor but sadly not too far off from reality.
If we’re playing “what if”, my made up story is that they rushed in with 300 cops and nobody died.
But the reality is they did NOTHING.
I get what you’re alluding to, but actually the cops yelled out that they were there and for any children hiding to come out (obviously well before they’d neutralized the shooter) and the kids who responded and came out of their hiding places were shot dead because the cops were too cowardly (or busy checking their Facebook feed based on video evidence) to actually protect these innocent 5-10 year olds. I have a child in that age range and my blood starts boiling even discussing this topic.
Let us not forget that these wannabe police even arrested parents who were willing to rush into danger to protect their children. That’s all they were good for on this day.
The guy that was checking his phone…his wife was one of the teachers in the school that died.
I think if anything, that cop deserves a little slack.
I don’t really get what you’re saying.
That most people there are minorities, and cops don’t do well around them.
Just saw a video. Hahaha, I’m gonna stop being capitalist cattle and switch to crime.
If your Mafia family is organized as a worker co-op, is it praxis?
But I’m not Italian!
Why not?
They won’t let me be Italian.
Tbf if they were outside the classroom, then we lack the data to say “it’s proof more guns inside don’t help.”
I know it’s nitpicking, but also had they done their actual jobs they’re fucking paid to do, but not required to do thanks to Castle Rock V Gonzales and Warren V DC, then the “more guns” would likely have been what killed him instead of “his own gun.”
I understand why the anti self defense crowd wants to use this as fodder for their agenda, but personally this speaks more of the failures of our entire policing system to me. Frankly to me it’s a glaring example of why we need to be able to defend ourselves, the cheesedicks we pay to come help us won’t.
How are you liking Reddit so far?
I left before you did my dude. I’ve been here since before the exodus, what’s my .ml acct in my bio at by now, 2yr? Get good.
Weird flex. Also, I was implying that the same people that would miss your point on Reddit and start banging on the gun issue are the same people doing it here. Once you starting waving your imaginary membership join date to a website in my face like a dick measuring contest I realized you are just another Redditor too.
Lol you imply I’m “a redditor,” then when I say “I’ve been here and off reddit longer than you,” which you made applicable by starting said dick measuring contest, you come up with this shit? Try harder I guess, lol.
Brother, are you fucking dense? Im in total agreement with your original sentiment and comment. I saw you were getting harped on for not having an absolute anti gun stance and jokingly implied that this place is just like Reddit by asking and asked how you were liking this new fresh take here on totally not Reddit and you started in on me about your join date. I couldn’t give two fucks about your Reddit or lemmy join date. You may have convinced me that some people are in fact too stupid to own a firearm.
Didn’t read that way, and the whole “being a fucking asshole” shtick hasn’t been helping your case. If it was truly a misunderstanding it’s one you could have avoided by being more clear then “how are you liking reddit” or whatever useless question you asked me to “show support” or some such nonsense, and secondly when you identified a possible misunderstanding you could have avoided further conflict by not doubling down and being an asshole again but “for real” this time, simply because I replied in kind to what I clearly thought was you being an asshole in the first place.
You’re not the mega genius you think you are, you caused this issue with your inarticulacy at best. There’s frankly no need for us to speak further, and I will decline to do so after this last comment. Good day.
It says 3 years on Jerboa.
Ayy, thanks lol.
Yeah lets arm the children! And school teachers!
🤡
BTW you can understand that “outside the classroom” with just minimal intelligence IMO.
Hell yeah that’s what I said! Definitely didn’t say “the cops should have used their guns inside the school to do their fucking job” or anything.
Can I help you learn to read or something? I’ll help sponsor whatever today’s equivalent to Hooked On Phonics is for you if you promise you’ll study this time.
Then who are you expecting to arm with more guns inside the school if not teachers and children?
Then who are you expecting to arm with more guns inside the school if not teachers and children? You end your point with being able to defend yourselves because the police won’t, so the commenter replies as such - then you switch your main point to the police should have been trained to be inside to defend people - making your first point moot?
THE COPS SHOULD HAVE GONE IN AND DONE THEIR JOBS
Can ya read it now?
Alternatively, hire security, I guess. Because yes, clearly the cops aren’t doing their jobs in cases like this.
Also MAY-FUCKIN’-BE that I’m suggesting we fix the systemic issues, namely that cops don’t have to protect us. Seems that’s controversial enough that you have to attack me with mischaracterizations of my argument, surprising to me.
I’m guessing you find these cop’s actions entirely reasonable and justified, since you’re defending them so hard, right? Or is that a mischaracterization of your argument?
Yeah? Where did you get the idea that I’m defending cops or that they are trained well? I’m trying to get you to clarify how a more gun stance or status quo stance helps in this situation. How’d you get from that to COPS GOOD? Also calm the hell down, nobody is attacking anyone. I don’t care about the pro or anti gun movement and I’m only interested if there are even pros for gun use to be had here.
The main useful point you’ve mentioned there is hiring security… You mean like school police, that didn’t help in Uvalde? If you don’t want people to mischaracterize your points, could you be more specific?
If you need me to spell my stance out, obviously the cops are terribly trained and useless here. Also whoops I posted twice by accident, deleting the first one as it is a dupe.
Your framing of people who are concerned about gun violence as “the anti-self defense crowd” is very disingenuous. No one is anti-self defense.
It would seem that many of them are under the impression we can regulate away “most of” the crime and therefore we won’t need to defend ourselves, and we can do this by passing laws like feature bans which only affect people who are afraid of going to prison (which is to say, not mass shooters.) They’d probably tell you they don’t mind self defense, but their actions betray their words.
I’m sure there are some extremes where people are anti self-defense, lol.
But I absolutely 100% agree. As someone who does support the 2nd amendment AND reasonable gun control, people who are concerned shouldn’t be called “the anti-self defense crowd”, because it’s a legitimately valid concern, just as much as defending yourself and others.
Yeah exactly! I’ve been around a lot of guns in my life, have shot several different types, come from a hunting family, yadda yadda. Honestly people in general shouldn’t be blanket trusted to be safe with weapons, because in my experience many of them just are not. I don’t think having guns is a problem in itself, we just need to make sure people are safe. Many serious self-defense experts advocate for running or removing yourself from potentially dangerous situations before exercising violence, and I think we can carry that philosophy forward into our lawmaking.
Something I haven’t seen before that I’d like to see tried out would be some sort of required firearms training, but make it mandatory that a local certifier, a police or sheriff’s liaison or something, perform the training for free to citizens. I think if we had police doing it that might be a chance to foster some good will with the community, do some regular humanizing type stuff. No infringement of anyone’s rights, and I also get what I want in more safe gun owners.
Sounds like the guns weren’t in the schools. They were out. Your implying that had they been in the school, we wouldn’t have had the same level of tragedy.
“Final proof that more guns in you schools will not keep our kids safe” - wasn’t the problem that the guns weren’t in the school, rather they were standing in front of it?
Cops refuse to show up on my methhead neighbors - they have weapons. But when my (then) husband wanted to evict my little unarmed 5’3” butt from the house I’d lived in for the past seven years, after physically beating me to the point I wasn’t really cogent, they sent a whole riot squad to pick me up.
“police officers are cowards”
ACAC?
POAC
Sorry that acronym is already in use.
Pig Officers Are Corrupt
Shorten it to POC to really piss them off.
More like it’s yet more proof that you cannot rely on the police to protect you.
The Supreme Court ruled like a decade ago that cops DO NOT have a constitutional right to protect you. A cop can literally watch you get stabbed to death in the streets, and they are not obligated to help or stop it. Let that sink in.
NOT have a constitutional
rightto protect you.Duty* actually. They can if they want but they don’t have to.
Small, yet big, difference.
Yeah none of those guns were actually “in the school” because thin blue line means
copscowards above anyone else. They won’t risk their lives for you.That should be obvious based on the fact that they only respond to crimes that have already occurred. By their own nature, they’re completely reactionary.
Defund the police and regulate guns
This reminds me of the over 200 Seattle Washington police officers who quit after the George Floyd protests as a response to calls to “de-fund the police” and the city actually considering it.
Absolutely. Or maybe not defund the police, but train them to actually do their job.
Missing in the picture: a second track with no one tied on it.
That switch stops trolley
*Shot
Tased only applies if there is a camera on you and you are white.
It’s referencing parents who wanted to go in themselves to save their own children. I can’t imagine how horrifying it must b to be stopped by police. Police are the worst
I am aware. Ulvade was police playing nice with the public while being cowards. ACAB has a wider remit.
Uvalde was the police know full fucking well how dangerous assault rifles, and guns in general are. They noped the fuck out when children were being murdered, because they were afraid.
tactical kosovan kids needed
Why are they so scared of guns? Do they think they were made to kill people or something?
Tbf then there’s other people, like that one dude in France that went in and singlehandedly killed like 8 terrorists with hostages with guns with but a mere AR of his own. Or the church in texas, where the paritioner took a 45yd shot with his glock on a guy armed with a shotgun.
In reality, who has the bigger gun matters much less than who can get shots on target quicker. These cops can hide behind the “well he had a scary rifle” all they want to, we all know it’s simply their cowardice and failure to act accordingly and follow their own procedures (which they had recently trained on and utterly ignored when push came to shove.)
Those are outlying cases where luck was on the “Good Guy’s” side.
Fortunately that isn’t the case, those were just the few I mentioned. A bigger gun is not body armor.
What’s the point of all that military gear they’re wasting tax payer money on then? Fascist cosplay?
It’s to use on protesters, not on actual crime.
That makes sense. Those protesters are scary and can hurt a police officer’s feelings. Its protester <-> police.
Where a school, there’s so many little kid bodies that can take bullets to protect our blue heroes.
Yeah. Shooter was not pregnant enough.
Arm ALL THE PREGNANT MOTHERS! If you Preggnant You Get a FREE FIREARM WITH UNLIMITED BULLETS !
:-D
It makes their pussies wet.
Why does female anatomy always get used as an insult? It’s a prime example of toxic masculinity and patriarchy that non-male genitalia are so reviled as to be an insult against others.
Because they’re the type who think they’re alpha males, and that particular insult is incredibly insulting to them.
Nobody ever uses “dick” as an insult.
You use whatever is gonna make the target mad as an insult. It’s why bad mouth little kids will go after your mom or say removed in comms. It’s the low hanging fruit. They don’t care about your mom and they’re not likely to be racist either. It’s about attention.
it’s only an insult to people who think dick size = status. try telling someone who’s butthurt about being called a pussy that it’s not an insult lol
That’s for unarmed minorities that get out of line.
They will be using all that firepower to keep “certain people” from getting to vote.
If they are actually fascists then it isn’t cosplay though.
For what does the yellow square stand?
I don’t understand this reference. Would you mind explaining?
They’re talking about the yellow square next to Chris Murphy’s username on X in the picture. I have no clue what it stands for either.
Thin blue line outside the school
More like thin yellow line
Unironically, if we had 376 armed drag queens and furries instead, not nearly as many children would have died.
I feel like the armed drag queens would have absolutely handled the situation expediently. Most I know adore children and have to be brave by default to publicly go against society in such a typically colorful fashion.
Holy shit, I thought it was double digits. How did they get 376 to show up without any of them roid raging their way into doing something other than dicking around?
Non-peaceful demonstrators
Because it’s a group of narcissists. They were too worried about themselves. None of them had the courage to say “I’m willing to not go home tonight so these kids can.”
Actually I’d bet that a bunch said that, but didn’t actually do anything about it.
This is what pisses me off the most. 376, and you can’t storm the room? 376? And you refuse to trade one for any of those children who needed protecting? These are supposedly the hard calculations they have to make and they all unilaterally chose themselves? Enforcers will always be useless to anybody but the property owners. They aren’t actually here to protect anybody. They should have made the call, and traded 20 of themselves so those kids didn’t have to die. Thats the hard call we expect these “hard asses” to make.
I can’t remember the study but basically the bystander effect is a thing. The more people there are in a group, the more likely it is that no one will do anything because everyone will assume that someone else will do something.
This isn’t to excuse officers because they are specifically trained that they are that someone. The fact that they were held back from entering is willful, malicious, and negligent.
The fact that the officers actually complied instead of disobeying orders especially when seconds turned to minutes, is cowardice.
And a reminder that I believe the police chief and mayor of the town was reelected by the town.
They analyzed the trolley problem, they chose to sacrifice the few for the many.
A coward is not the same thing as a narcissist.
One can be both, however.
How did they get 376 to show up without any of them roid raging their way into doing something other than dicking around?
Some of them tried and were actively prevented from doing it by other Officers. The whole situation is actually worse than most people realize.
There’s no way that’d ever be justifiable, but what’s their excuse?
Probably something about free school lunches or litter boxes.
The fucking litter boxes. Was that meme planted so we could identify which of our friends and neighbors went off the deep end?
It seriously stresses me out how many people in my community have taken that seriously. In my own family, even. It is indeed one of the many possible indications of someone to whom I don’t want to give my time.
Nooooo my cousin’s friend in Memphis told her it was true!
I’m no conspiracist, but… If I were a malicious—perhaps foreign—power and I saw how well that kind of fake news spread and how much staying power it had, despite it being totally far-fetched, and yet easily-verifiable, I’d be absolutely fucking giddy.
It would be the surest sign that I could now spread any bit of disinformation, particularly anything not easily-verifiable, and absolutely tear the country apart.
They are, and have been doing that leading up to, and during Trump’s presidency.
It really speaks to the issue of how many people get their news: secondhand from their family members who read a story (or listened to fox “news”), misunderstood some of it, then injected further biases while getting some of the facts wrong (purposefully or accidentally).
They knew exactly what a .223 round does to the human body.
It would have made the coward cops look bad
From one report, they didn’t know who was in charge because there were State and local units. So they did nothing while some in charge waited to hear who should be giving the orders. At least that’s how I remember it.
Right because that can all be excused away with “policy issues” that leave nobody actually accountable and spits in the face of common sense. “I didn’t try to take down the shooter because I didn’t have anyone to tell me that’s why we were there in the first place”
I’m not saying that it was a good excuse, just that it was used.
IIRC, they even had a shooter drill prior to the massacre, but that obviously didn’t help.
You’re talking about people who worship authority. Critical thinkers and independent personalities are not welcomed or tolerated in law enforcement or the military. These people literally need to be told what to think, and what to do.
Sounds to me like the shooter was in charge.
100%, all the cops did was prevent parents from rescuing their children and give the shooter time to kill
