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also the feeling of the paper texture makes me want to die
It is adequate.
It performs it’s function.No need for extreme consumerism & garbage production.
*its
*tits
It’s biodegradable, renewable, and only needs to get from the manufacturer to your cabinet, where it can be replaced with heartier permanent storage.
Real environmentalists just pack the flour into their jeans pockets to avoid unnecessary paper waste
You joke but bulk stores exist where you can literally just take your own container and avoid the crappy leaky bags altogether.
Annoyingly they’re basically deli prices in my city
Real environmentalists keep a little dirt under their pillow for the dirt man, in case he comes to town.
Classic Hank Scorpio
I just put it straight into my mouth to avoid the extra cleaning and energy of cooking. Don’t you even care about the planet?
Into their jeans pocketsup their asses FTFY
And it also needs to leave everything inside my backpack coated in a thin layer of flour.
What I don’t get is why they put it in a single two-layer paper bag instead of two single-layer paper bags, which would clearly be more effective.
Why didn’t you wrap it with another bag, or your reused plastic one? This seems like a non-issue user error.
Skill issue
Same for sugar, it’s really annoying that so many things have switched to plastic. Gram crackers, Ritz and Saltines all used to be in waxed paper when I was a kid and were fine.
Now they switch to plastic, but make sure it’s tinted to mimic the old paper versions.
Top comment is against the post, but the post has almost no downvotes. What is happening here?
Downvoting isn’t for disagreement. If you think the conversation is valuable you can upvote for visibility while disagreeing in a comment. This is important subject matter that needs to be hashed out!
General rule of thumb is that for every 100 that vote, 10 read the comments and 1 will ever post.
There might be a desire from those that were looking for the top response to let it ride for visibility. I wish most things were as practically packaged as flour.
Edit: Can we do coffee next? I drink a lot of the stuff, and unless I roast my own, there is absolutely no environmentally friendly option. I tried roasting my own. I set off the smoke detector, upset the dogs, and made my house smell bad.
Most of the local roasters I go to sell coffee in recyclable paper bags that are technically resealable using the little bendy tie thingy. I end up just dumping it into an airtight glass jar once I open it up though.
Mine are always using plastic. I guess because they can seal it better? I feel like if I’m buying it directly to have it fresh this really doesn’t do shit, so I would be very cool with paper bags too.
No local roaster that sell directly? We have a couple that sell by weight so I can bring in my own containers.
Roast it outside or on the stovetop with the fan going if that’s not an option
Do you consider carbon neutral/negative(or at least as close as possible) to be environmentally friendly? What about sustainable agricultural practices?
If yes, I bought some coffee from Tiny Footprint coffee, which claims to be carbon negative, allegedly gets coffee from smaller local growers (you can pick the growing conditions you like, so like I got a bunch from women-owned farms), and they are actively trying to restore the areas where they source coffee. Also it’s packed in wax coated paper, and I believe you can buy bulk if you like.
It’s not cheap, and the roasts tend lighter than you’d expect (so imo a medium brews like a light), but it’s really good coffee.
And yeah, I live kinda close to a coffee roaster and it doesn’t smell great at all. If you have a garage, a cheap used oven set up out there might do the trick.
Sweet, thanks!
Yes, I seek out the most ethical option with whatever I consume. Being fair to people and kind to the environment should always come before convenience and profit. Especially for anything considered a luxury like coffee or chocolate. It would be nice if it was just on the shelf at the store since I’m already there, but it usually doesn’t work that way.
I think it’s because a lot of people’s (myself included) knee-jerk reaction is “yeah, those bags do suck”, then they look at the comments and either realize the tide is against them or end up agreeing with the points in the comments upon reflection.
What, paper bags? Not that big a deal, just ziplock out or stuff it in a sealable plastic container. I’m guessing @ArtLesbO there didn’t grow up in the Midwest lol
Some techbro needs to start a subscription service for flour pods delivered by drone. Insert them into your $800 flour bank, and then whenever you need flour, you can just use the app to indicate how much the machine should dispense!
edit: the app also provides AI-generated recipes, and every time you use flour you’ll automatically earn some FlourCoin cryptocurrency.
You receive flour coins for storing flour in behalf of the flourchain, this is done with a proof-of-flour algorithm.
The flour will be sold in “convenient” disposable plastic containers that each hold 1 cup or 120g.
For an additional fee, drones will pick up the used pods for “recycling” which is actually shipping them to a landfill in southeast asia.
Make sure the containers have DRM so the machine can validate that they are genuine high quality Flourz™ Refill Paks before dispensing the flour. Wouldn’t want you to just, like, refill them with inferior flour from Walmart or anything.
9 times out of 10 all that flour on the outside of your bag of flour is not your bag leaking it’s because one bag in the palette busted open and got on all the other ones. When you get home, you either transfer the flour into an airtight reusable container, or put the bag inside a 2 gallon zip lock and seal that.
Baking pro tip for shopping: buy some buckets. 3 gallon is plenty big enough for a grocery store sized bag.
Get the cart to your car, put the buckets (one for each bag of flour) in the buggy and transfer the bag/s into them.
Then move the buckets into your car. They’ll be less messy, protect the paper bags better, and make carrying it in easier via the handles.
If you’re a high volume home baker, it’s still easier than dealing with ordering in bulk.
Boy reinvented the shopping basket…
Like brianorca said, baskets don’t contain the flour that comes out, or whatever is on the surface of the bag. Plus some baskets have enough in the way of hard edges to damage flour bags, I’ve had it happen in the store while carrying stuff to checkout before. Only three times ever, but still
Kinda depends on what the basket is made of and the design, I guess. Like, an old school woven basket could work fine as long as it’s well woven, but the typical shopping basket in stores is going to suck.
Shopping baskets would not contain the loose flour.
Do you mean the shopping bucket?
Also, i guarantee that there are bugs infesting the flour section of your grocery store and they absolutely hitch rides on the bags home
Former grocery store worker.
I could have gone my whole life not knowing that and you just walked right in here and said it.
To be fair to the stores, they arrive in the stores on the bags too.
Oh. No, thank you.
Good idea to freeze a new bag of flour to kill the bugs/eggs
What kind of bugs are you talking about? Flour mites?
Honestly its been years. I just remember the bugs and that they werent roaches.
Flour isn’t stored in sanitary conditions. It’s just giant piles in warehouses. This is the real reason that raw cookie dough isn’t safe to eat. The eggs are usually fine, it’s the flour that’s riddled with disease. If you heat it to about 160°F you can eat all the cookie dough you want.
At that point…it ceases to be cookie dough.
Are you saying that substituting apple sauce for eggs doesn’t make them safe?
Sorry, I meant that you heat the flour to 160°F, then cool and mix it it into the dough.
And, yes, I’m saying that substituting apple sauce doesn’t make it safe.
NYT just posted a recipe two weeks back:
Heat-treat the flour: Heat oven to 400 degrees. Line a sheet pan with parchment, add the flour and spread it into a thin layer. Bake flour for 5 minutes (see Tip). Cool flour completely.
But my favorite hobby at home was spooning raw flour into my mouth and washing it down with melted crayons…
It’s just giant piles in warehouses.
EXCUSE ME?
Boxes leak more. And plastic with make it mold if there’s any amount of water in it.
Why don’t they use those cardboard tube things oatmeal comes in?
Here oats come in the same (adequate) paper backs as flour.
I’m really stepping into a parallel universe right now. I have no idea what problem one would have with paper backs…
Circles leave gaps during shipping.
Well that just makes me wonder why it’s apparently okay to ship flour in paper bags but not oats… i mean, rolled oats are a lot less messy than flour, so it’s kind of strange tbh.
The worst possible container for flour would be a hot sauce bottle.
nope. it’d be the balls
Hershey’s syrup bottle
Naw the little spout on top unscrews from that.
Fabreeze bottle
Single serving coffee creamer cups
Wow I can’t believe that guy buys flour that comes in dogs’ asses.
Garbage take. Just fill it into a glass jar at home. Nobody cares about the 0.03g of flour lost leaking out during transport.
Paper lets the flour breathe, releasing moisture. The grain isn’t 100% when milled and the milling process generates significant heat (mill some grain at home with a motorized mill and see). Warmth + moisture + hermetically sealed plastic smells like a nice way to grow some fungus.
Edit: isn’t 100% dry when milled.
Don’t complain or they might switch to a blister pack.
Won’t be long before flour companies start packaging with fabric so people can make clothes.
Again? I have a lovely quilt made by my great grandmother out of sack cloth.
They should learn from the masters: cocaine smugglers package their goods in a variety of ways and the penalty for leaking even just a few particles can be high (heh).
