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      I am not particularly well-versed in those guys, so I can’t speak to their findings, but at a cursory glance I don’t see a link between anything I’ve linked and them - I am happy to be corrected if there is something I’ve missed.

      However, until you bring any kind of evidence, I will rely on Hitchen’s Razor here: “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”

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          Thank you for the links.

          For the first link: I don’t see the relevance. It talks about starting a rumor, but I do not reference any rumoring in my posts. I reference try my best to reference things with factual evidence backing it up. Can you help clarify how it is relevant? - I already know Hasan Piker is divisive he’s seen as a boogeyman to some and a savior to others, and this just seems to reinforce that, but nothing else.

          For the second link: What part was the relevant one? - The part where they briefly talk about the shock collar issue, but doesn’t actually address any evidence for or against? I’ll be honest, I don’t really see the relevance for the rest. It just seems to be a negatively slanted video about Destiny and Sam Altman, which isn’t really relevant to what Hasan has or has not actually done.

          On an interesting but separate note, I find the editing of this video interestingly similar to the CNN video that cause Hasan Piker to sue Scott Jennings - I truly feels like the editing of some of the video-clips they use are pushing a very clear narrative, but one that doesn’t seem to be supported by the clips they use, or at least wouldn’t be if the full clip was shown. That said, I am not familiar with the original clips or particularly familiar with the people in question, so I can’t speak to anything other than the video-making style used for the video, which is something I am familiar with, as I have worked with storytelling in editing via my profession.

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        Stop working for these people.

        Dan Saltman is a tech entrepreneur and political podcaster who leverages his platform to advance Zionist interests, targeting pro-Palestine voices and justifying Israel’s ongoing settler-colonial project in occupied Palestine.

        As founder of TinyChat — a video chat platform acquired in 2014 after receiving $1.5 million in funding from Sean “Diddy” Combs, amid allegations of its use in predatory behavior — Saltman built his career in online communications. He now serves as CEO of Redact.dev, a service that deletes users’ digital footprints, which he promotes amid his own involvement in online activism. Saltman co-hosts the “Anything Else” podcast with Steven Bonnell II (Destiny), where he discusses politics and amplifies pro-Israel views to Western audiences.

        Saltman has repeatedly portrayed pro-Palestine advocacy as support for terrorism, directly accusing streamer Hasan Piker of promoting “terrorist propaganda” and “Hamas recruitment videos.” In September 2025, he endorsed calls to ban Piker from Twitch, claiming Piker’s content encourages violence and supports terrorist organizations, while framing criticism of Israel as antisemitism. This rhetoric dehumanizes Palestinians by equating their resistance to Israel’s occupation with inherent threats, perpetuating consent for settler violence.

        Saltman orchestrated a widespread disinformation campaign against Twitch, accusing the platform of fostering antisemitism by allowing pro-Palestine speech. He mobilized supporters to pressure advertisers, leading to temporary pauses in spending by companies like JPMorgan and AT&T in late 2024. This effort aimed to suppress voices critical of Israel’s actions in Gaza, where the confirmed death toll exceeds 40,000 — a conservative estimate, as Israel’s destruction of infrastructure and targeting of journalists has halted accurate counting, with the actual number slaughtered well into the hundreds of thousands. Saltman’s actions align with broader Zionist efforts to weaponize antisemitism accusations against dissent, shielding Israel from scrutiny over its apartheid policies and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank and Gaza.

        His associations extend to content creators like Ethan and Hila Klein of the H3 Podcast and Destiny’s community, with whom he has collaborated on attacks against Piker, viewing him as a threat due to his effective advocacy for Palestinian liberation. Saltman’s push to repeal Section 230 appears motivated by a desire to further censor online criticism of Israel. Twitch banned him indefinitely in November 2024 for “extreme harassment,” including doxxing and targeting employees who refused to comply with his demands.

        This pattern of behavior is not isolated but part of a consistent effort to normalize Israel’s settler-colonialism, obscure Palestinian suffering under occupation and genocide, and manufacture public consent for ongoing violence.

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          Why did you give the link and then copy the whole contents as well? That seems very redundant.

          I don’t see how Dan Altman is relevant to any evidence I’ve brought fourth - I didn’t use him as a base for any of my evidence, nor reference them in any claims. Can you tell me how he’s relevant to the subject at hand? (Hasan Piker)

          Edit: “Dan” instead “Sam”, partial typo and partial "slip of the tongue"due to the similarity of their names.

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            I don’t see how Sam Altman

            What the fuck are you talking about? No one said shit about Sam Altman here.

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            Why did you give the link and then copy the whole contents as well? That seems very redundant.

            That’s how you source information.

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              I mean, if you were not going distill the information you could have saved yourself the effort and just given the link.

              Thank you for the link though, even if I don’t see the relevance to the subject.

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                Do you have eyes? I want you to really focus and read each word here:

                Saltman has repeatedly portrayed pro-Palestine advocacy as support for terrorism, directly accusing streamer Hasan Piker of promoting “terrorist propaganda” and “Hamas recruitment videos.” In September 2025, he endorsed calls to ban Piker from Twitch, claiming Piker’s content encourages violence and supports terrorist organizations, while framing criticism of Israel as antisemitism. This rhetoric dehumanizes Palestinians by equating their resistance to Israel’s occupation with inherent threats, perpetuating consent for settler violence.

                His associations extend to content creators like Ethan and Hila Klein of the H3 Podcast and Destiny’s community, with whom he has collaborated on attacks against Piker, viewing him as a threat due to his effective advocacy for Palestinian liberation. Saltman’s push to repeal Section 230 appears motivated by a desire to further censor online criticism of Israel. Twitch banned him indefinitely in November 2024 for “extreme harassment,” including doxxing and targeting employees who refused to comply with his demands.

                Source

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                  Yes, I see that Hasan Piker is mentioned, and I see that there’s a history between Sam Altman.

                  But that has no relevance to anything I’ve written, unless you think that all criticism of Hasan Piker must originate from Dan Saltman, and in this case by proxy of me.

                  Is that the connection you’re trying to draw?

                  Edit: Dan Saltman / Sam Altman

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                Oh Jesus Christ, I should’ve known better. You’re a DGG orbiter. This is the game you fuckers love to play hahahaha

                I won’t be giving you any more sources.

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                  A quick Google tells me DGG is shorthand for Destiny’s audience - is that correct?

                  If so, then no. He’s come up in my research into Hasan Piker, but I haven’t dived very deep on him, and it’s not on my current priorities, but I do see a lot of focus on both him and Sam Altman in the replies, so perhaps I do need to check that and see if there is anything of substance there, besides online feuding.

                  I’ll admit, I’m not entirely sure what an orbiter is exactly. When I look it up it references streamers “orbiting” larger streamers, but I don’t think that would apply here given that I’m not a streamer (nor particularly invested in any).

                  I’m sorry to hear that you won’t be engaging further. I’d still love some relevant refutations of my actual points if you ever decide you want to engage in the future. All the best to you in the meantime.

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        This is also how I know you’re arguing in bad faith. Destiny, Dan Saltman, and Hasan have extensive history together.

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          Firstly: I don’t really see how Hasan Piker having history with other streamers is relevant to anything I am writing about?

          Can you clarify what you’re getting at, and how Hasan Piker having history with other online personalities invalidates anything I have written, all of which ostensibly does not seem to have anything to do with that?

          And secondly: Can you tell me how I am arguing in “bad faith” (i.e. NOT arguing from a genuine examination of the issue), when I tend to give evidence for my case, clearly referencing actual research done, rather than just repeating something I’ve been told (without evidence)? Quick clarification: that last part is not an accusation that you are just repeating something you’ve been told - I have no proof of that and I am still hoping that you show anything you have to actually back up your beliefs.

          I really don’t mean to be offensive or mean, but I think if have the option to take a moment to re-read some of the messages and look up the definition of “bad faith” arguments you are likely to see that either; A: I have in fact been arguing in good faith, and/or B: You might not have been entirely aware what it means to argue in “Bad Faith”.

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            but at a cursory glance I don’t see a link between anything I’ve linked and them

            You didn’t even take a single glance if you couldn’t see a single link between them.

            I’ve already linked you to several sources now. I suggest you read them.

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              I’ve read everything you’ve linked, and I see the link between Saltman, Destiny and Piker, but not any link to anything I was writing about Hasan.

              It all seems very unrelated to the points I brought up.