I love the idea. I hate the shitty unreliable overly digital implementation. Induction came around after everything was already well on the way to enshittification. Components are sized to last through warranty, not to last 20 or 30 years.
My gas stove, which has certainly many issues, hasn’t got a chip in it, and with occasional replacement of igniters will likely outlast me, unless we choose to replace it.
Your gas stove will outlast you. Partly because it is a very simple appliance, but also because gas stoves are fucking terrible for your health.
They are terrible if you don’t use an exhaust system sized to your stove.
Cooking on induction unvented is also bad, less bad than cooking on unvented gas, but you’re still putting things in the air that you’re not supposed to breathe.
If you have an exhaust fan, turn it on no matter what you cook with. If you don’t have an exhaust system, open a window.
I have an air quality monitor in my living room, and it knows when the stove is on in the kitchen, even if I have the windows open. It’s debatable how much of an effect it has on your health, but overall, we should stop burning fossil fuels wherever and whenever possible. Ditching my gas appliances in my house is high on my list of things to spend money on, even though it’s probably going to be ~10K to get them all switched over.
I want to systematically test air quality when cooking with gas versus electric. Do you notice anything different in the air quality when you use a toaster or other electric appliance that heats food above 350°F/175°C?
I’m similar. Surprisingly quick jumps in particulates and voc in the family room when the stove in the kitchen was turned on.
I don’t notice it on small electric appliances (but never explicitly tested them), and no longer have a gas stove
I also have a hepa filter in the family room that would come on surprisingly quickly and made a significant difference …. When it was new. Unfortunately that has gotten bumped so many times that it is usually throwing an error
With gas stoves the issue is mainly NO2, however all cooking releases volatile chemicals which typically get worse depending on how oily the food is.
Really the problem is with ventilation moreso how or what you are cooking. Most non industrial range hoods are severely underpowered and installed incorrectly.
I have a relatively small range hood to which installed an industrial inline exhaust fan too. Even though it’s small, the motor is strong enough to clear any smoke in the kitchen within a min.
Yeah I’ve been a little worried about that ….
My detector does not measure NOx, so I have no idea. But now that the gas stove is gone it’s no longer relevant
And yeah, definitely concerned about ventilation. I also have a pretty powerful inline exhaust fan, however there is no hood at all. The previous owners installed a pot rack in place of the hood and the kitchen is small enough that I can’t really change that. The exhaust fan is just a ceiling vent. I have no idea whether that balances out as positive (strong fan) or negative (no hood), but now that the gas stove is gone, that’s also a bit less important.
I don’t know if visual spatter/smoke, or smell are useful indicators but the induction stove has less of these. It only cooks what I intend
I do not have a gas stove but I do have have multiple air quality sensors. Any amount of cooking causes particulates to increase from a base range of 2 to 200+ for 2.5 and 10 ppm.
Our last induction lasted 15 years untill somebody cracked it so you just need to not buy the cheapest ever and it’s alright.
15 years is not long for a stove to last.
We only replaced it because it had a huge crack in it. It still worked no issue.
I wanted capacitive but couldn’t, where I live that spike in electricity is simply not sustainable, power wise
I’m pretty sure capacitors aren’t used as heating elements in cooktops, it’s just resistors and inductors that are options. A capacitive cooktop would be fucking weird in any of the ways I can picture it being done
I have a hybrid cooktop. one burner is radiant, the other is induction. this solves all my problems.
I also regularly buy bar keepers friend to clean the pots as stuff stuck outside those pots tend to get fiercely stuck when not using LPG.
Sometimes I have to go back to cooking on a ceramic or gas at someone else’s house and it always annoys me how long boiling water takes.
Induction has just gone from “cool, but for the rich folks” to simply an undisputed king of stovetops.
Much like solar and other green technologies.
It’s like EVs. A great paradigm shift in the underlying base technology, accompanied by puzzling interface and control designs that really detract from the enjoyability of the transition.
Been for some time now.
Was still too expensive for many parts of the world until a few years ago.
Induction rules but the touch controls that almost always come with them can fuck right off.
Absolutely. Luckily, there are induction hobs with knobs (I personally own one), and I hope we’ll see more of them going forward.
Cool! Can I ask which one you have?
Some of the Gorenje Infinity series, don’t remember the model as I bought it second-hand. Here’s a very similar-looking one, Gorenje Infinity EC6INB, except mine has knobs facing front, not right:
Looks sick, works flawless, got in good condition for $50. Can’t complain.
Yeah, that looks awesome! I love the colors.
By front-facing, are the knobs still facing up from the face of the stovetop or do they point out like on a classic stove?
Yep, still up. The unit is separate and doesn’t have the oven included, so it doesn’t have space for knobs that would point out.
But generally, they don’t interfere with anything, if only sometimes when I use a large skillet on front left burner with low settings, but I can just move the skillet a little and it works anyways, so, no big deal.
Here, this is how it looks IRL:
Thanks for the picture, appreciate it.
I had to buy a used induction stove because they no longer sell new ones with physical knobs at a reasonable price.
Same. Somehow not having complex system of sensors and having a simple knob instead is a premium feature. I begin to see a pattern right there…
“We should put touch controls on things that are permanently greasy” -Kitchen gadget manufacturers hired by Satan’s evil twin.
I mean you really should wipe your stovetop off any time it gets greasy, that way it doesn’t build up so you don’t have a mess to deal with later. Even on an old one with knobs I’d advise that.
You can usually attach real knobs if you have the space (and permission)
We couldn’t possibly use these button things. They are secret arcane technology.
Also all my pots and pans are…aluminum
Are they anodised?
Ok, I’ll bite, what difference does anodizing make, and do you know what anodizing actually is.
Oxidises and creates a hard layer so the aluminium doesn’t leach or react with acids.
Wouldn’t oxygen in the air oxidize aluminum and create that layer regardless?
No
Yes, they are modern aluminum, so no dangers. They just don’t work on induction.
Which bits on, who can say. Perhaps none of it is on, perhaps resistive touch screen controls are a bad idea on the surface that might get wet. Who can say.
God I would kill for an induction stove with the classic interface for sure
They exist!
Within two weeks my gas stove and oven are getting chucked out the door. Replaced with an induction stove top and a convection/steam oven/air fryer.
Totally, you’ll never get this experience with any other style of range.
But that’s a resistive (ceramic) stove?
Yeah my old landlord provided that exact model, it’s fine. Not that bad when you’re used to landlord specials. Idk how they managed to do that unless they were like thawing stuff next to boiling water, both on the glass, or dropped cast iron from some height
That looks like a shitty whirlpool or other shitty generic $150 home depot glass top coil burner, not induction.
I have that exact same stovetop in my apartment. It’s kinda shitty in general, but it’s not induction
@papalonian could use the elements to light the joint.
Wow! What sueface cleaner is that? It is crystal clear now! /s
Never seen this in my 10 years og using induction. must have been some super cheap shit.
We have been on induction for 20yrs. Our grandparents on 15. We only broke 1 plate and not nearly as catastrophically. Was just a big crack along the entire thing.
Because that’s not an induction stove. It’s a heating element one that glows red.
Those red hot things are incandescing, like old light bulbs. Except with heating elements, they’re designed to primarily give off heat when they incandesce, rather than prioritize light.
Yeah, still not induction.
Ceramic ones are the same except they have shittier heating. Also what kinda shit plate was that and what the hell did you drop on it? Ours cracked because someone dropped a huge ceramic baking dish on it and it was just a crack jot a fucking hole in it.
Don’t fuck that hole
No idea, I’m from the burner supremacy gang and the picture is from a search engine. But I DID have a large variety of similar images to choose from.
I’m from the burner supremacy gang
But why? I fucking hate burners. They are slow, send more heat into the room than the food, pain in the ass to clean and also release possible carcinogens into your air. The only advantage they have over induction is that they cannot crack. I seriously don’t get what people see in them.
Wok cooking is the only thing I miss from having a gas stove
A typical induction stove can heat way faster/hotter than a typical gas stove.
So unless you specifically had an industrial gas stove specifically for your wok, chances are you can do the same recipes, just in a flat pan.
There are even induction stoves with a bowl that fit a round wok, but that’s pretty niche.
The only answer I’ll accept
Tortillas on an open flame is what I miss the most. Especially when there made from scratch.
And every pan or pot or whatever that isn’t 100% space-flat.
Fuck, I’ll take resistive over gas. It takes some skill, but I’m used to it. I’ve only used gas in other people’s homes and I just didn’t like it nearly as much.
I will go induction whenever I have a choice though, it just by all measures sounds better
they’re great for caramellizing whole onions, but you could also buy a blowtorch
Like without a pan? Straight into the fire?
yep, great for brown stock
Sounds pretty convectional to me
It’s funny because while I didn’t comment on the previous post about the superior burner location, I do happen to have an induction range that has the big coil in the front right. So I get to have a side in both conflicts!
Seriously though, induction is the undisputed winner. We’ve had this thing for years, and whatever price premium I paid to move up to a lower priced induction model was totally worth it.
That big “burner” plus my big nitrided carbon steel pan is my go-to now to start like 80% of things I cook on the stove. Not counting heating up water in the kettle daily, though. That uses the small burner behind the big one. Then there are two mediums on the left. Or maybe it’s small, two large, and one XL.
I’ve had too many induction stove tops turn off too many times by moving a pan over the on button for this to be true
That’s not really an induction top issue, but rather a general issue with “smart” appliances. Electric stove tops with touch have the same issue and my induction top with knobs works fine.
In my experience at least the vast majority of induction tops have touch controls but I understand that they can come without
It’s not a problem inherit to induction hobs. But oh god do I agree. On mine it’s any little spill or pot out of place on any touch button will turn it off. I will demand physical knobs on my next stove top.
Induction can have the crown as soon as appliance designers stop giving them infuriating capacitive touch controls that are a fundamentally bad input method for a fucking stove.
Give them knobs. The UI nerd in me is so angry at the slow death of competent design as its cannibalized by marketing and branding people, and the penny pinchers they serve.
Rented a place with the capacitive touch style and my cat kept turning on the stove… luckily with it being induction it meant it didn’t get hot as long as a pan wasn’t on there but holy shit could that be really dangerous
got your knob right here bb.
Seriously though, I’m with you. I have an induction, and it’s fantastic, but any stupid moisture gets on it, and the controls don’t work until you wipe it off, and the things spazzes out at you, beeping incessantly.
My wife once dropped a metal bottle cap on the capacitive controls for our oven.
I don’t know anything about oven software, but so far as I could tell, it caused the entire thing to basically reboot.
so my mother’s kitchen, it looks like she has two ovens stacked vertically (the range is off to the side). top one is a microwave tho. my mother likes to microwave her eggs for some reason. probably just to disgust me. but
like i warned heras prophecy foretold one day she spilled an egg down the front of her microwave and down into the oven controls.she was smart enough to cut the power immediately (her side of the family was farmers, my dad’s side miners, so we’re used to fixing everything ourselves. we just had to clean out the pcb and had no permanent shorting) but i feel your pain.
she still microwaves her eggs. like fuck how hard is it to grab the big kettle and the spider skimmer
I get the microwaving eggs thing. It’s an inferior culinary experience, but it’s easier. I microwave things whenever possible because I have difficulty standing up for any significant period of time; even if the time taken is identical, microwaving something usually means pressing a few buttons before sitting down and waiting, whereas cooking something on the range usually involves tending, meaning I have to stay there.
i get that. sometimes i feel like a bicycle. i’m fine laying down or leaning on shit, but if you want me upright you need to give me space to keep moving (so i don’t tip over).
Heh, nice.
I realize this is probably hilariously unrealistic but. I prescribe a kitchen remodel. They have all kinds of designs for folks in wheelchairs that you could use with just a regular chair
Mine has knobs. It’s fucking great. It’s a Bora professional 3.0
that’s showing up as an extractor fan on my computer
It’s a modular system of a downdraft extractor and induction or gas hobs. Scroll down.
There are induction stove tops with normal knobs, thankfully. Neff also makes ones with a magnetic puck, which I also find very intuitive and easy to use.
But didn’t you know that all old design is bad design, and you’re supposed to laugh at people with knobs on their stove?
The problem is not with the controls fundamentally, it’s with the low quality controls. A glass touch surface has merit: it’s extremely easy to clean and keep clean, you’re never gonna get boiling pasta juice in there and corrode the contacts or whatever. It’s just that the manufacturers use the worst, most pathetic sensors that stop working as soon as the surface gets slightly moist. My own induction stovetop is pretty bad in that regard, but my parents’ significantly more expensive one is perfectly fine. The control part of the glass surface never gets very hot either.
Point is, it’s pretty good when done right. But they often don’t do it right.
The problem is give me a damned knob.
The highest quality touchscreen on earth that works perfectly not matter what is on my hands and never makes a mistake would still be shittier than a simple fucking knob.
But I never want to try and find the right place to touch a flat surface when I’m in the middle of basting meat and my pot is boiling over.
Analog style dials (they’re digital now) are easy to reach without looking, which keeps your focus on the task. Muscle memory is super important for flow.
It’s an inductive stove, the pots heat up instead of the surface.
That doesn’t prevent my pots from boiling over.
I tried this once at an Airbnb and it was really annoying to change temperature while cooking, which is one of the things indication is good for
Easy to wipe true, but what if instead of a capacitor button we can have a magnetic control board with magnetic push keys?
It would be fully removable, attachment magnet snaps it into place and then it’s essentially a button with a magnet physically travelling up and down.
The I really hate the capacitor buttons since if you get pasta that boils over it fucks with the buttons pretty fast and the “off button” is just not good for quickly turning it off when flooded. It’s same for pan cooking sauce that splashes a bit, wiping the surface moist rag can have mixed results, paper towels become a requirement. There’s just a lot to not like.
A standard knob, as long as it’s not designed by an idiot, can be very simple by having a piece of heat resistant non corrosive material stuck out of the stove top and the button having a 1cm gap under it. Just make the pin chonky and you can drop a pan on it without anything happening. Lift the button off and it becomes still very easy to clean.
I’m not sure what you’re saying here but mine has an app for that
That’s worse. Don’t make me pull my phone out of my pocket to change stove temp. Absolutely embarrassing that this idea got to production.
Neff has that, they come with a magnetic disc you use to control everything. Only drawback is you can only control one thing at a time.
The other drawback is that I could buy 10 IKEA stovetops for the same price lol
Not really… if you buy a same sized filed its maybe 30 percent.
Ikea just offers a lot of smaller ones too.
Do your parents have cats? Ours have turned the stove on during the night by walking across it. Now we have to “lock” the controls every night, and then “hold for 3 seconds” before we can unlock. The more sensitive the controls, the worse this all gets.
Knobs, dude. If you will it it is no dream.
Ours have turned the stove on during the night by walking across it
But aren’t induction stovetops only heating when a compatible metal is on top/detected? So if you don’t leave pans and pots on it shouldn’t the stovetop be powered off, even if the cat turns on the switch? Besides that, there must be better options, even if companies refuse going back to knobs.
Yes but it’s very possibly easier to just lock the buttons than it is to wash all the pots before bed and make sure no one leaves so much as a spoon on the cooktop before bed. Either way its an extra thing to remember and deal with and since there’s really no major advantages to capacitive, it’s a simple decision for me. Knobs.
Knobs are definitely better for a stove. Even the best capacitive touch sensor won’t work if you’ve got an oven mitt on, or you need to make a quick adjustment without taking your eyes off the food
Some newer stoves now put the control panel separate, and you can e.g. build it into the edge of the countertop.
Knobs belong on the front of the stove, under the ledge of the range/counter where you can’t spill anything on anyway.
Induction already wins cleanliness by a mile through not burning in whatever lands on the cooktop. No need to make knobs worse to make them easier to clean, when they don’t get dirty in the first place.
You mean in the space where I have a drawer full of cooking utensils and herbs? Because my induction top is only as high as my countertop. I much rather have the touch buttons than lose that space.
I will say I specifically bought an AEG because it has a slider. I can set it to 1 from 10 with one button press.
There’s nothing worse than having to press the minus-button 10 times when your pot is cooking over.
As long as the knobs aren’t behind the burners I’m happy. Every time I have to reach behind a boiling pot to turn it to simmer I just hear “bad design” in the voice of the audio book narrator for The Design of Everyday Things
I agree with induction where it can sense whether there is a pan but always thought the opposite with gas. Why do those burner knobs need to be reachable by toddlers?
The trick is to not have toddlers
How else are you gonna teach those lazy toddlers to cook? Smdh
Keep the knobs in a child safe drawer when not in use until the kids are old enough to know better. Reaching through steam is a burn risk as is reaching over hot oil.
But some of the new front knob designs get ruined by steam from the oven opening getting inside.
Why the hell that happens I do not know, but they moved the electronic parts there and steam ruins them.
Just discovered one place my induction burner is worse for cleanness. Since it’s a glass top there’s no place for boilers to go, except down the side of the range.
Compared to my previous gas stove that had sealed burners that were recessed to catch boilovers
No, touch screens are always shit compared to knobs. You might have even worse touch screens but that’s just like even worse!
One stray globule, and suddenly your stove is set to 700°
Typically what happens is that the range detects liquid on the buttons, alerts, and stops accepting input until the liquid has been cleaned up.
Another problem that would never happen with knobs!
Another error and that’s in Celsius 😁
A bunch of new stoves have a pizza setting that’s in that range.
You have to be careful though, they’re not all actually insulated for that range, so the electronics actually cook and fail.
If you do buy one the self clean usually works better due to the higher heat range, but all the appliance sales reps said to never use it anyways.
Wouldn’t that be fun, a button on the stove to convert the units.
“Honey did you touch the f/c button?”
“No why?”
me looking at burnt pan “oh no reason”
I’ve seen really rough “analogue” control designs. Like, an oven with knobs and touch buttons, so you can set temperature more easily with a knob, but some more specific settings are set through touch input. Overall idea sounds good, until you try do something with it - then it quickly becomes a convoluted mess, because rather than separately choosing which directions to heat or whether to turn on the fan, manufacturers decided to make a list of all possible combinations to scroll through. 🌝
Mine has knobs, that was one of my non-negotiables. The oven controls are touch, but I can lube with that.
My induction range has knobs! Even the oven setting is a knob.
One of my friends just bought an obscenely expensive stove bc it was the only one they could find that was induction with knobs
Hoooolllllynshit you nailed the head right on the hammer!
I cannot stand the controls on my induction cooktop. Still fundamentally the right choice of tech but it is a PITA to actually use.
I made the switch from gas to induction this year and had no issue finding models that had physical knobs.
I hunted specifically for an induction stove with knobs, and couldn’t be happier. It’s how all induction stoves should be.
Btw, it’s a secondhand Gorenje stove, and it only costed me $50. An absolute bargain.
Yeah that would be nice ngl
Make one the size of my 12" skillet so it doesn’t create a neat little zone of heat surrounded by sticky cold pan, and I’m all yours. Haven’t seen one yet.
Just looked them up lately; there are all kinds of forms and sizes in mobile or built-in.
Consider one of those where you can combine the burners/zones
Maybe I just haven’t gotten to use a nice one yet - every time it’s a landlord special, cheapest junk on the market.
Yeah landlird specials suck. But if it’s a newer one even the cheapest induction hobs are quite good
Don’t get me wrong they boil water faster than hellfire, and if the pan is the right size they do great. I’m just too loyal to my big ol’ skillet
Yeah I get you
not quite 12" but the biggest element on mine would probably be great with your skillet (if its the right metal)
I have a GE profile. That has the various sized burners. The odd part is the matching microwave got rid of many touch buttons and replaced it with a knob, which actually works well, but the stove has no knobs. Stove touch buttons work fairly well though, added bonus is you can lock the controls with a lock button. When looking my favorite choices came from ge profile and bosch.
Looks good enough! All the ones I end up with are usually closer to 8" at most, and I ended up shifting the pan awkwardly to heat it evenly.
What model?
Bosch Benchmark, from 5 or 6 years ago
Not OP but the GE Cafe line has a big “burner” like this for a large pan. And physical turn knobs for control.
That’s one of my biggest objections - too many cheap ones with tiny coils. When I got mine, I ended up spending double what I planned, mostly so I could get useful sized coils
And this being the US where induction is rare and expensive , I had to get a double oven and and “smart” features in order to get larger coils
Neff Flexzone…
Looked it up, seems like the widest zone is 23cm, about 7 too narrow for my skillet. Looks cool though
You can add zones together… and that is possible over the complete width.
And burners are also only heating certain points…
Right, I did look at the dimensions. You can’t fit a 30cm circle into a rectangle 23cm wide no matter how long it is though.
Cast iron heats up quite slowly, so any part not being heated means the pan is still going to be partially sticky, at least in my experience with induction.
Ultimately if I was in the position to be choosing my own hob, I’d probably just also buy a pan that fits the area. I’m not a gas burner advocate by any means.
I did…
Neff N90
Left and right 20x23 cm, center 30x23cm they can work together
I do this all the time
And yes, there is a dead zone but its just a few centimeters and conductivity for heat in metal is pretty high
Or Siemens iq700 No knob however
Omg yes. I’d been wanting to try one out for a long time. My friend got one. Stayed over and tried to make my specialty giant pancakes. Sorely disappointed with the useless results. Now I just bring my waffle iron instead.
i had one (a couple decades ago) that the large burner had two zones: both the ring and the center of the ring could be activated independently. it’s been a hot minute so i don’t remember exactly how it worked.
and i need a 14 inch skillet for my good pastas
You won’t be able to make any proper Asian stir fry on this shit. You need huge heat for a short period of time that only a gas stove can do. My parents in law have a gas stove that looks and works like a jet fighter afterburner, including the sound. No induction here mate.
I am sorry but you are somewhat wrong. My induction stove can heat my steel wok to smoking hit in 5 seconds and glowing red in 20. Induction can deliver the energy much quicker and more efficient than gas.
You still need a good induction stove top with enough power though. In Europe that is easy with 400V outlets. In North America you usually need one with a built in capacitor to get a similar result.
I do have induction in my kitchen, the most powerful plate is 2.7kW. IIRC I could get gas up to 11kW on one burner.
Maybe there’s more powerful ones, the electrics are 3 phases of 220V with 16A - so theoretically I could push up to 10.5kW of electrical power into the stove.
It would need to communicate with the oven in that case, as the oven currently uses the 3 phase.
Eh, yes and no. You are getting the areas that are in contact with the cooking surface red hot, which with a flat bottom wok is a really small area. Since most woks are made out of thin metal, you aren’t getting much heat transfer to the majority of the pan like you would with gas.
Tbh the best option imo for stirfry is just to have an outdoor wok burner hooked up to a propane tank. Unless you have an industrial stove, you aren’t getting the pan hot enough on gass either.
There are actually special wok induction plates. The are shaped like the wok and are much closer to the real heat distribution of a gas burner. Nevertheless I don’t think that is necessary. My wok gets plenty hot where it matters and I make a killer fried rice.
There are actually special wok induction plates.
For a stove top, or like a stand alone device?
Nevertheless I don’t think that is necessary.
I mean… It is, especially depending on what and how much food you are cooking.
My wok gets plenty hot where it matters and I make a killer fried rice.
Making a “killer fried rice” isn’t the end all be all of wok cooking. I have had plenty of white people make what they claim is great fried rice that is greasy dog shit because they can’t get their woks hot enough.
As someone who grew up in Chinese restaurant kitchens… I can assure you a flat bottomed wok on an induction stovetop is never going to be adequate for traditional Chinese cooking. If there is an induction plate shaped to fit a round bottom wok and you could rock the wok on without damaging it…that would be a different story.
Until then I’m going to stick to using my outdoor burner, especially considering that the only electric utilities I have access to are already created with natural gas.
Induction has more energy and transmits more energy to pots. Also there are induction woks https://youtu.be/CzJKxUCKOBg
Well you need a really strong stir fry rated burner if you want that. 99% of people that have gas stoves do not have one that can do that. You ain’t stir frying shit on this kind of gas stove believe me.
They make curved induction stovestops to rest your wok like a traditional wok burner, but a strong induction stovetop will be able to do the same, you just won’t be able to set it down on anything lol.
Its not as common in consumer because gas is still very common in Asia, but there are several models available as well as full sized restaurant induction wok stoves that can fit proper big woks with ease and hit the very high heat needed for the first use seasoning stage.
The heat response time is slightly better than gas, you just lose out on the visual queue of your flame.
Gas baby!
As long as you don’t have kids it’s a good option. Otherwise it can contribute to life long health issues.
Gas stoves can negatively impact children’s health by contributing to asthma and respiratory issues, as studies suggest that around 12.7% of childhood asthma in the U.S. can be attributed to gas stove use. They emit pollutants like nitrogen dioxide, which can worsen asthma symptoms and lung function in children.
Gas stoves should be operated with active venting. US loves to pump out shitty epidemiology studies that are poorly controlled and are foregone conclusions.
Where you live with respect to air pollutants makes much more difference than a gas stove.
Imagine burning fossil fuels instead of using renewable energy for cooking, hahahha.
Imagine being you, hahahha
