That sounds like one of those “ok guys, no gifts, okay?” situation where some are too poor / cheap to afford something, but then everyone else is gonna be “fuck that noise” and gonna one up each other into the nicest gifts just to fuck with the rest. Hilarious.
Imagine buying a home for several hundred k only to be told by others in minute detail what you can and can’t do on your OWN property. Land of the free my ass lol.
I have difficulty feeling sympathy for anyone who voluntarily bought a single-family home with an HOA
No one (should be) going into this blindly. You are free to request all the CC&R documents of the HOA before buying, and often you can request the financials to see if they’re still solvent. FFS, if you’re about to spend hundred of thousands of dollars in one go - pay attention to the details!
Good thing the hoa can never implement new rules or change who is in charge!
Literally every new home going up around here is in a HOA, and the old ones that aren’t sell for a premium. It’s not so easily avoided. The whole concept should be abolished, or at the very least restricted to only providing services for the homes that are subject to it.
This might be, but I believe u often have no choice. Either accept the terms or u don’t get the house. And with the housing market being absolutely shitty, I believe many people have no choice but to accept those terms, cos the alternative would mean getting no home at all.
Land of the fee, home of the slave
Photocopy the paper and and it out with full sized bars.
Why are HOAs so obsessed with “consistency”?
Its another excuse to dull out fines
dole
To give out, especially in portions or shares; allot or distribute. Often used with out: synonym: distribute.
I keep forgetting to never interact on here. Thanks for reminding me.
Byeee
“Ohh, why do I even bother?”
I appreciate it when someone lets me know that I’m doing something wrong and how I can do it right in the future in a concise and helpful way.
Why do you hate learning?
probably for the best, it doesn’t seem to be working for you
Don’t be an ass
but I’m so good at it…
why you gotta take that away?
Find another passion
We’re not all pricks, just some of us (such as jjagaimo)
dull
Someone who responds with a correction and a definition like this.
Dullard
A boring person, such as @[email protected]
Go after the argument, not the user.
Honestly fair
Oh no — education!
I conquer.
I’ve got the feeling that the people who run insane HOAs have undiagnosed autism. Consistency, extreme rule following, and an exaggerated sense of justice are hallmarks of our kind. It’s just boomers who never will know that about themselves cause they aren’t “train city in the basement” flavored
That specific symptom is actually more consistent with something called obsessive compulsive personality disorder which has some overlap with OCD the anxiety disorder but usually presents with less bizarre obsession-compulsion links and usually less insight, because usually nothing they’re doing is overtly nonsensical. The maladaptive / disordered aspect is more that they’re allowing their obsession with rules to impact their relationship or even impose actively harmful restrictions on the people around them.
The same reason militaries are. Control. Except militaries actually have ressons to do it, other than power tripping people
It’s a safe way to live.
It’s a euphemism for “control”.
Well and sometimes control is good, right? Like if it’s an apartment building where the units are owned by the tenants or condos or even row houses it helps to have an established self governed organization of some kind to keep ground rules for shared walls / roofs at the very least. And even in fully separate housing it can help if there are shared community areas like a clubhouse, pool, playground, etc. There are two main problems though:
First of all, self governance requires active participation of at least most but ideally all members. You run into that same problem with any kind of self governance and that’s how even very good things like unions can get a bad reputation. If you don’t actively participate in union discussions they can easily be corrupted and wind up as an even more insidious control tactic by the employer.
The second problem is specific to the history of HOAs in the United States. The concept itself was fundamentally started as a way to discourage racially integrated residential areas, then extended to discourage other types of minorities. Yes you see HOAs focusing on petty things like door color but more importantly you’ll see them pushing other, more insidious restrictions. When you place restrictions on outdoor decorations you’re often restricting specific religious and cultural traditions. If you’re only allowed to put up lights within a certain window surrounding Christmas, you’re pressuring people to not observe holidays with light displays that occur at other times of the year. When you restrict the amount of unmarried adults in a house you’re pushing out poor people who need roommates and and cultures that live generationally, as well as homosexuals in areas where they’re not allowed to get married / claim marital privileges.
So while there are some practical benefits, the history of the HOAs requires highly active and intentional participation from everyone involved to overcome the dark history of the concept and there are very few situations in which that’s worth it, especially in a community where the houses are not physically connected.
I have a fantasy where i get rich and hand out 5 lb chocolate bars one year.
King size everything. There’s even a special golden candy bar that wins you a king size mattress!
Beat me to it by 13 mins.
“land of the Free”
Whoever told you that is your enemy
Not really inconsistent, you’re free to not enter into an HOA covenant and folks willing to subject themselves to being micro nannied are free to do so. That’s freedom ain’t it?
HOAs often come with the house, and in some areas it can be hard to find a house without one.
If there is an existing HOA, unless it’s a rare one that’s voluntary and not tied to the deed, you can choose to not join only by not buying the house.
The problem is the HOA exists where it does so if I want to buy there for the other benefits of the location (e.g. school) I have to submit to the HOA. The idea of HOAs originally came about as one method of stopping blacks and other minorities from buying in those areas. Simultaneously these areas got things like pools and gathering areas (clubhouses) while they closed the public versions of these places.
USA - always racist.
Should be their slogan.
I think you’d be hard pressed to find countries that dont have similar racism based things. Europe is obvious, India has the caste system, China is against non Han, various African groups are against other African groups, etc. The methods used may be different (often more overt) but that doesn’t really matter to the outcome.
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no mention of how many to hand out per kid, leave a couple of pallets out.
No one mentioned king size, you’d better do that instead just to be safe.
This is merely a suggestion. Also, Trader Joe’s sells 1lb+ Belgian chocolate bars that are about a 1/2" thick. It would be expensive, but possibly worth it.
If people “feel pressured” over a candy bar, that’s on them. Some people have no issue not even participating so your inferiority complex can suck it
It’s because someone gave out apples and nickles next door and got pissed because every kid walked away going “awww, man…”
Also entirely possible, someone’s a cheap racist, classist prick and doesn’t want kids from “other neighborhoods” incentivized to come to their part of town,
I 100% guarantee you it’s the latter.
Based on the wording I’m guessing it’s a gated community.
Classic gated community…buy the cheap shit.
Makes me think it’s a “gated” community of McMansions
the Board
“We encourage/dictate that you hand out small/cheap candy bars only so that others do not feel pressured/inadequate.”
The whole concept of HOA is crazy for me
HOA seems a very bad idea. HOA in the US is terrifying.
it sounds almost reasonable for those weird buildings where people “own” their unit or share walls
And for shared expenses in fancy neighborhoods like a maintained garden/sign entrance area with a gate. Or a neighborhood club house with a pool. The kinds of stuff apartment complexes have.
So most apartments in most countries in the world? Sure. Not sure why you have “own” in quotation marks, it’s quite normal outside of the US where you get “condos” with a ton of fees.
Usually every apartment owner gets an equal say in what happens e.g for planning and financing renovations, hallway cleaning (take turns on a weekly basis or hire a service or hire some retired person who lives in the building as a part-time job), etc.
It does indeed stop making sense when you’re not all living in a shared building. If I want my lawn slightly taller than everyone else, that’s my right.
because how can anyone consider it ownership if you do not have the right to destroy/modify it?
I guess, kinda, but the concept of “ownership” isn’t the divine right of kings. It’s an understanding of possession in relation to the rest of the world and other people. There are like zoning laws and shit like that for a reason, just because you buy a piece of land doesn’t mean you can develop it into whatever you want and put a chemical processing plant in a residential neighborhood.
Just because you bought an apartment and maintain exclusive ownership of it, it’s in the context of someone else owning the building, and someone/thing further owning the area that building is in. Ownership doesn’t give you any right to alter something in a way that affects the other peoples owned property or possessions.
Not that I’m advocating that it’s right or even a good thing, but essentially the “final boss” of ownership is the government because people can’t be trusted not to be petty dicks to each other
ATM, the HOA in my neighborhood is very very tolerable. The money (all $100 per year) goes towards maintaining landscaping and the signage. The only “restrictions” they have are no above ground pools (which I 100% agree with and they were rather powerless when someone actually installed one), and if you’re gonna put in a detached shed, at least try to make it a permanent structure instead of some cheapo plastic plastic thing from walmart or lowes.
JFC, only $100 per year? Is that right? That’s nothing.
Oh, I thought you meant each yard had landscaping like we do. Is it just common grounds, like the median, etc?
Sadly, corporate buyout of homes into perma-rent hell is so much worse in how insidious it is.
You really just have to hope against hope that if you are stuck with a HOA, they’re already reasonable or can be wrangled into it.
Corporations are nigh untouchable, and that’s horrifying.
As an outsider, the whole situation is a weird clusterfuck of social expectations. I’ve only ever seen trick or treating on TV and it seems to be a stage managed ritual where kids dress up and everyone buys candy for everyone else’s kids.
Although, the American part of the company that I work for makes bank every Halloween, which is nice.
Most people don’t put so much pressure on it. It’s just a fun holiday where you get to dress in a costume and go running around the neighborhood getting candy.
on TV and it seems to be a stage managed
That’s the TV part.
kids dress up and everyone buys candy for everyone else’s kids
Yup, that’s the holiday in short. You also get “spooky”, which is like scary but no one is scared.
It’s one of the best holidays because the entire point is “fun” and the stakes are low.
Yeah, but it’s one of those traditions that is just good to keep up once in place. I got the benefit of free candy from neighbors once a year as a kid, so it’s just the right thing to do to give candy to kids now. Pay it forward to the next generation. America needs to maintain what little selfless collectivism we have, even if Americans are really just being tricked into it under the guise of holiday tradition.
Ah, the real trick or treating is in corporate messaging.
That’s just everything, lol
It’s also one of the only times you ever get to meet the neighbors
Yep. It’s candy UBI, and I’m for it!
This is hilarious. Somewhere on the other end of the totalitarian spectrum is an HOA encouraging all residents to hand out candy!
