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Ok but can ya’ll prosecute the guy with the trigger all the way up the chain of command? Disobeying illegal orders is part of the job.
Wait we can’t just blow up ships? I thought this was America!
Terrorists
Firing a missile at a boat to kill everyone on it is murder, regardless of whether it was entirely crewed by cloned Hitlers on roids.
If it were Hitlers on roids they’d welcome them into the country with all the pomp and circumstance.
But is it just one murder, since they’re all clones?
Firing a missile at a boat to kill everyone on it is murder
Not if the Americans insist everyone in the boat was part of the Evil League of Evil.
In fact, suggesting that the Evil Boat full of Evil People have some kind of Right to Due Process or even a Right to Life is tantamount to supporting their Evil plans yourself. Which qualifies you as a member. So Americans are now clear to kill you too.
Generally killing a member of the armed forces of an enemy nation during a war is not considered or described murder. It’s a relevant and important distinction - and it’s why Trump and his lickspittles designate the (alleged!) drug-runners as narco-terrorists with whom they can claim to be at war. This itself is an extension of the “war on terror” that extended the definition of combatant from the uniformed service-members of a nation state or at least a defined group in a conflict.
But to be clear, the “narco-terrorist” bullshit is a lot worse than the war-on-terror bullshit, because terrorists are at least explicitly trying to carry out violent acts with a political purpose (which is quite like war!) whereas (alleged! unevidenced!) drug runners are just… running drugs.
This is not worse than the “War on terror bullshit.” It is the exact same. Obama’s drone strategy involved a kill list that included no due process and signature drone strikes, which killed people without knowing who they were. There did not have to be evidence of the victims ever having committed anything close to a terrorist act. It didn’t even matter if the victims were American kids.
Well, I know that and agree it’s bad but don’t think it’s as bad still, for the simple reason that I think that, if it is true that someone is planning to commit terrorism, it may be justified to kill them, if other methods of preventing them are not practical.
Drug smuggling doesn’t pass even that test. If you can’t prevent drugs getting smuggled into your country without killing the smugglers tough shit, accept that there will be drugs in your country and do your best to deal with that. That’s true, I think, even if you think that drugs should be illegal.
So to me that makes a big difference.
So if we know the entire us government is planning on doing terrorism, it’s cool to just wipe them all out with no trial?
He got super jealous of Duterte.
killing a member of the armed forces of an enemy nation during a war is not considered or described murder
You have to ask why not. Because “war” as an excuse for industrialized murder doesn’t go without rhetorical push back. The reason we are forced to accept it as legitimate mostly boils down to the fact that the people doing it have the power to kill us more easily than we have the power to kill them.
It’s a relevant and important distinction
Only if you blandly subscribe to the “They were all Bad Dudes” domestic propaganda that initiated the war to begin with.
This brings us back to the Obama Era of targeted drone bombings.
The 542 drone strikes that Obama authorized killed an estimated 3,797 people, including 324 civilians. As he reportedly told senior aides in 2011: “Turns out I’m really good at killing people. Didn’t know that was gonna be a strong suit of mine.”
Alternatively, you can jump back to LBJ/Nixon during the Vietnam War, and their use of Agent Orange and Zippo Raids to conduct genocide in regions of Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia where insurgents possibly lived.
But the distinction is purely of political convenience. We don’t extend this rhetorical curtosey to Houthi Rebels in Yemen or ISIS insurgents in Iraq and Syria or North Korean mercenaries working alongside Russia in Ukraine or aligned Central African states. We never gave it to the Taliban or the Vietcong or the North Korean Army.
Only the US and it’s NATO/Israeli/Pacific Rim allies consistently get the benefit of the doubt when it comes time to count war dead.
I understand why they phrased it that way, but… is there any actual reasonable evidence that it WASN’T just wholesale murder? Because I doubt it. I know we claimed it was drugs, but even if that were true, it’s absolutely still flat-out murder and war crime.
it was propaganda, to claim that they are dling something the drug trafficing issue
Thats because the US is not a part of the ICC and they have something called the Hague Invasion Act which basically says they will use military force to prevent Americans or US allies from being brought to trial.
I mean, it’s quaint to believe the US would have held to the ICC even if it had been a member. Hardly the first time we’d have violated a treaty that we pretended to honor.
Nobody even talks about the Geneova Conventions anymore.
Isn’t Canadas actions in previous wars a bit contributing factor to the creation of the Geneva Conventions?
So? Americans have been A-OK with crimes against humanity so long as they aren’t being done on them.
Go arrest Trump and his administration then
Eventually. We’ll have to take care of the Nazi America problem from the bottom up.
I would prefer to fix the Nazi Humanity problem.
Here’s how you begin:
Americans are too chicken shit to do this though. I’m not sure there’s ever been weaker and more pathetic group of citizens in the history of the world.
When people get desperate, they will do desperate things
Yes, of course, because there’s totally a way to do that when more than ⅓ of Congress is fascist and supports the fascist president, and enough people vote the fascists in office.
It would be nice if we were in this shitty situation, but we are.
Change your system then
OH OKAY WOW I NEVER HAD SUCH A BRILLIANT IDEA THANK YOU BRB CHANGING MY SYSTEM BRO
GOT ANY GREAT IDEAS ABOUT RUSSIA OR NORTH KOREA? U SHLD BE IN CHARGE OF ALL TEH WORLD’S PROBLEMS
Yeah, change their systems too
That requires us to finish a civil war and discussing that is prohibited on every social media platform, including this one.
„There are reasonable grounds to believe that“ is a weird way to spell „It is obviously true that“.
It’s lawyer speak. Reasonable grounds is a category of certainty.
With Dem leadership being controlled opposition, the only people who can hold anyone accountable are the citizens. But, discussing the solutions here will get the comment removed.
So how can resistance communities grow, communicate and formulate plans to address it when all social media platforms, including Lemmy, aggressively censor any honest discussion of the only real solution to this problem?
Switching now to the completely unrelated topic of pest control, we need an industrial scale solution to deal with over 100 million cockroaches in the US.
The Burger Reich: SO WHAT?
Burger? Really? I could see the “The Turd Reich”, because that’s pretty close and makes a good pun. But “Burger”? First of all, it’s two syllables. It doesn’t rhyme - “Burg” might be close to “Third”, but even that is a stretch, but the “er” just seals its fate.
;-)
It’s because you’re all fat pieces of shit. Hope I cleared it up for you.
