Yeah but we need to vote for anyone in the end other than the fascist fuck pedo party.
I hate to break it to you but there’s a ton of Ds in the Epstein Files.
This traitor is all over this thread.
Me? 2 posts? All over the thread.
A traitor for noting that the Democrats are fascist pedophiles?
My fellow American, we were founded by fascist pedophiles. We were forged by fascist pedophiles. We fought a civil between factions of fascist pedophiles. We protected fascist pedophiles. We celebrated fascist pedophiles. We revered fascist pedophiles. We rehabilitated fascist pedophiles. We appointed fascist pedophiles. We empowered fascist pedophiles. We committed murder for fascist pedophiles.
If you think the other big party in the US isn’t chock full of fascist pedophiles, you’re delusional
Democrats are fascist
I’ll take “Things Stupid People Say” for $500, Alex.
Let’s see.
FDR - built concentration camps for anyone vaguely “Asian” looking and stole their commercial private property. Also established racial red lining for lending.
Truman - Korean war, killed a million civilians under the theory that the US should be allowed to continue the fascist occupation of the Korean peninsula since they’re taking over for Japan.
Truman - Operation Overcast and Operation Paperclip. Saved 10k Nazis from justice prior to Nuremberg, gave them new lives, jobs, money, political positions, state protection, PR rehabilitation.
Truman - Staffed NATO with Nazi officers, oversaw election in West Germany which allowed former Nazi politicians to change parties and run for office.
Truman - oversaw Operation Gladio, the clandestine NATO program led by the Nazi officers assigned to NATO to organize former Nazis and Nazi collaborators all over Europe, funnel them money and weapons, train them, and make them into terrorist proxies
Truman - saw the French losing their fascist colonial occupation of Vietnam and decided we should help the French massacre the indigenous there.
JFK - decided to ramp up the military support for massacres in Vietnam
LBJ - cranked up the violence in Vietnam so bad he obliterated Laos. He also sent the US military to Guatemala to “support” the fascist right wingers there, by which I mean massacre popular movements. He also sent the US military to prop up the puppet government in DR Congo and massacre the popular movements there.
Nixon - Not a Democrat. However, the Ds controlled both houses of Congress for his entire presidency. And they all passed the drug laws that Nixon and his cabinet designed to imprison and disenfranchise Black people and anti-war hippies. Literally. The Nixon administration officials are on record that this was their design intent, and the Democrats made it happen. Because that’s what fascists do - they criminalize peace, they criminalize resistance, and they profit from it.
Carter - A perfect liberal, did nothing wrong. Ya know, except oversee the CIA program to arm and train the Mujahideen, develop a pernicious form of radical islam to keep them fighting, and then eventually unleashing 9/11 on the country. Thanks, Jimmy. Even though you’re a sweet old man, your fascist bloodlust just could not be tamed.
Clinton - Crime bill (Crime Bill). But also Bill was governor of Arkansas, and he and Hillary lived in the Governor’s Mansion. Ya know they have black house slaves there? It’s a prison labor thing. The Clinton’s were fine with it. Didn’t think it was worth changing. I’m sure they tipped their house slaves every once in a while. Treated 'em nice. But also yeah the crime bill? So much mass surveillance and incarceration. Just total fascist shit.
Obama - drone strikes on US civilians without due process, maintaining the Bush doctrine of first strike and the Bush concept of “enemy combatant” which is just fascist speak for “we can do whatever we want to these people”. Then of course hand in hand with Clinton the funding and support for a civil war in Libya and then bombing the country into rubble where they now sell slaves. Clinton on record saying she laughed while she watched the video of the 80-year-old leader of the country sodomized by a bayonet in a public square as he was tortured to death. Real fash shit.
Obama - oh yeah. He was the first one to appoint Homan as deportation czar. 3M deported under Obama. Human rights groups called him “deporter-in-chief”. He expanded DHS and ICE massively. In fact the things Trump has done, like appointing Homan as his deportation czar all started under Obama. Obama relied heavily on private prisons to fill his quotas, privatizing state violence like a real fash.
And then of course there’s Biden
Biden who oversaw continued and escalating genocide in Gaza. Who fought the good fight against Trump by… doing nothing, almost as if he didn’t really care. Biden who undermined the unions while using union aesthetics (which mustachioed German man pioneered that, I wonder?).
And that’s ignoring the 50 years of bipartisan support for starving entire populations through unilateral sanctions, killing an average of 800K annually; the bipartisan support for mass incarceration; the bipartisan support for warrantless mass surveillance; the “southern strategy” and Democrat “triangulation”; the Democrat collaboration with Republicans that survives to this day while we all see the fascism for what it is.
Yes. The Democrats are fascist by virtue of being the other dominant power of the perennially fascist USA, a state that has not had a single day where it was not actively fascist (but the white people it considers the master race don’t notice).
The Red one or the Blue one?
“When” lots of optimism in that word.
Last time I looked AIPAC owned the Democrats as well. We can’t start putting things back together until American sovereignty is restored.
Let’s get to that point and at the same time run candidates to prevent it happening again.
“Oh my God he’s bleeding out! We have to stop the bleeding”
“Yeah I’ve seen this before, he’s just going to start bleeding again. Do you want Arby’s?”
Let’s fix problems, take incremental wins where available, and not be morons about it.
It’s like people think democrats become kings when they get into office. Literally half the country is sub 100 iq, is moderately/extremely racist, and keeps voting in room temperature iq Republicans into the senate. About 1/3rd of the country voted for Trump AFTER we knew he was a felon and tried to steal the election.
It’s like people think democrats become kings when they get into office.
This excuse stops working now that the republicans have made it clear that the party in order absolutely has the ability to make sweeping changes if they choose to.
Weird how the republicans never seem to let the parliamentarian or 1 vote or the SCOTUS or whatever stop them.
They have the majority in literally everything and they still have failed to pass so many bills because they are that incompetent.
The Republicans are doing the equivalent of giving themselves money in a monopoly game and saying “hey there’s no rule that says I CAN’T do that, is there?” Like when they sat on their hands rather than voting on Obama’s scotus pick for months. I don’t know what you do about that other than matching the egregious actions, and it seems dems are still trying to play inside the rules which I agree is a losing strategy.
That’s one thing I’m really aligned with the DSA on, democrats need to break the rules too or have extremely harsh punishments for it once they’re in power, so Republicans know to cut it out or they’re either out of office or in jail.
If you think any of those explanations aren’t valid excuses, then you don’t actually know how the government functions. Sure everything is easier when a dictator like Trump does it because he doesn’t follow the law.
Your proving op’s point
No, not really.
Anyone who disagrees with your unthinking support for genocide and no other policy ever doesn’t know how anything works.
I don’t support genocide. I recognize the unfortunate reality that either Democrats or Republicans are going to be running the country right now. Maybe one day we can get better options, it is not an option here and now.
The way I see it, Democrats are convincible, Republicans aren’t. Republicans hate nonwhites and Muslims, Democrats don’t. That makes Democrats the better option.
The way I see it, Democrats are convincible, Republicans aren’t.
Democrats can only be convinced to move to the right. I think you know this.
No. All the protest against Israel is working. More Dems are pulling back on their support.
More dems are being supplanted by better dems.
Oh, you think carrying out the will of your voters is good? Well have you considered that goes against the design of a system made by slave-owning rapists to maintain their class’s power?
-ChonkyOwlBear, probably.
It’s more complicated than you are presenting it. There are hundreds of representatives each with their own motivation on every different vote.
Yeah, sometimes they vote against the will of the voters (Israel). Other times, they can’t do the will of the voters because of the rules. For example budget reconciliation can be used to pass financial-only laws with a simple majority that would otherwise need a higher vote threshold to pass. The parliamentarian will say no if they try and squeeze something non-financial through that way.
Even Trump hasn’t been willing to fire the parliamentarian and blow up that system. It has a purpose.
You want to throw out the whole Constitution and start over? Fine. How many dead are worth it to you? There Conservatives are sure as hell not going to give up power without a fight and they are willing to kill to keep it.
There are hundreds of representatives each with their own motivation on every different vote.
And there’s a party whip and the power to take representatives off committees or remove their access to party infrastructure. The whole point of a party is that it can force its members to work together, without that ability you don’t have a party.
Even Trump hasn’t been willing to fire the parliamentarian and blow up that system. It has a purpose.
It hasn’t been useful for him because he appointed a parliamentarian who does what he wants. When Bush’s parliamentarian wouldn’t, he fired him and replaced him with one who would.
You want to throw out the whole Constitution and start over? Fine. How many dead are worth it to you? There Conservatives are sure as hell not going to give up power without a fight and they are willing to kill to keep it.
The literal only use any government institution is to enact the will of the entity that controls it. The conservatives understand this, the left understand this, only the liberals who don’t understand why they keep losing at calvinball have yet to figure it out.
And there’s a party whip and the power to take representatives off committees or remove their access to party infrastructure.
The whip can not take tepreststives off committees. The decision must go through the party’s internal Steering Committee or be voted on and approved by a resolution of the full House chamber.
The Speaker of the House has the authority to appoint and remove members from temporary select or conference committees at any time.
The whip can only make threats and offer new committee positions.
It hasn’t been useful for him because he appointed a parliamentarian who does what he wants.
Elizabeth McDonough has been parliamentarian since 2012
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_MacDonough
The literal only use any government institution is to enact the will of the entity that controls it.
Unless that will breaks already established laws. If the majority wants to reinstate slavery, they shouldn’t be able to just ignore the 13th amendment and the essential civil rights of millions of people.
Yeah - Biden tried that, and literally nothing impactful actually happened, and then they all just threw up their hands and said “well, we tried, that should be good enough”
The United States has a huge problem with presidential pardon power. Anyone serious about accountability needs to advocate for getting rid of it.
It’s not even just the pardons really, it’s the fact that so much of government runs on vibestm and the belief that elected officials will always act in good faith. So the pardons need to be reformed but a lot more things do as well. Like the fact it’s literally impossible to do a constitutional amendment now.
Biden delivered big wins that should be propelling us now except that trump destroyed all of it in six months.
Biden and his admin did some good things, for sure, but by and large he simply continued entrenching the status quo and didn’t meaningfully listen to the American populace - unless it was through the filter of the DNC/DCCC’s fuckwitted consultant class, who have been a cripplingly parasitic negative influence on the party for basically the entire span of time I’ve been politically aware. And that’s pretty much exactly why I’ve never registered “Democratic” (I live in a semi-closed primary state, so as “unaffiliated”, I tell them which party I want to primary with), though I basically always vote for Democratic candidates in the general when there is a Republican challenger for the office in question.
Remember:
nothing will fundamentally change.
I believed him when he said it, and he sure as fuck followed through.
Not to mention, his whole full-throated, carte blanche support of Israel in their genocide of Gaza (and I do mean to include the decades-long lead up to Oct 7, as well as the IDF’s retaliatory / punitive / expansionist / ethnic-cleansing actions after that point). Schumer’s one of the few politicians off the top of my head who’s more of an Israeli sycophant than Biden.
I disagree with parts of the analysis, but this:
the DNC/DCCC’s fuckwitted consultant class, who have been a cripplingly parasitic negative influence on the party for basically the entire span of time I’ve been politically aware.
I am 100% on board for. Their consultants suck and need to be set adrift as soon as possible. Hopefully republicans will pick them up and start losing constantly.
Agreed. Don’t be fooled - Pete Buttigieg made his career as a McKinsey consultant.
his whole full-throated, carte blanche support
Let’s try not to rewrite history here.
He publicly voiced disapproval. He threatened arms shipment cancellations. He worked to negotiate a peace deal.
While those things ultimately didn’t work, they don’t fall under the “full throated carte blanche” category.
He publicly voiced disapproval.
He lied, yes.
He threatened arms shipment cancellations.
And didn’t follow through.
He worked to negotiate a peace deal.
BeHiNd ThE ScEnEs
Let’s try not to rewrite history here.
Proceeds to rewrite history
The internet loves to pretend Biden wasn’t one of the most progressive presidents we’ve ever had. The internet loves to fall for Republican and foreign disinformation and believe Biden didn’t net a ton of important wins for Americans.
It’s a combination of disinformation and people being too lazy to pay attention to current events.
Was Biden the best president in U.S. history? Nah. Was he actually a good president? Yeah, he was.
Centrists love to lie and call a genocidal turd progressive.
“Hitler wasn’t perfect, but he made the trains run on time!”
Yep. Well said.
Biden delivered weapons for genocide, and there is no other reason you support him.
Biden didn’t just deliver, he gifted them. Never forget his 40 beheaded babies statement, and never forget that Reagan had more balls against Israel than Genocide Joe.
Jeffries already been bought off after his private meeting with Kushner the other day.
He was bought off long before that. He was just meeting with his boss to get his marching orders.
What the fuck is this nonsense? I’ve been saying for years that one of the reasons Democrats aren’t doing more is because Republicans are able to shut them down.
That’s only one reason, yes:
- No supermajority means filibuster (which has been more like “the threat of a filibuster” or “someone whispers the word ‘filibuster’”) has real power and Republicans have used it effectively
- Yes, establishment Dems are centrist and not progressive, but they have tried to do things that got shut down, q.v. above
- Yes, plenty of Dems are also corrupted by oligarchs throwing money into the system
There are mulitple reasons we haven’t seen more progress, but this is not a new thing anyone is saying. Or maybe some people are just waking up to it, but OP’s image is full of bullshit if they think some of us haven’t been yelling about this for quite some time - because people think “Elect Democrat president = solve all problem” and this is VERY NOT TRUE. Same with Democrat majority in Congress.
And this is yet another reason why I think we’re beyond fucked.
It’s incredible how Republicans manage to do a lot of things, essentially damage, despite Democrats opposition. But Democrats can’t do anything, because Republicans won’t let them do.
Can’t you find COMPETENT Democrats?
The system is built so that it is much easier to prevent action than to take it. Republicans obstruct. And where they succeed, it is largely because it’s things the oligarchs want, and yeah, centrist Dems serve the oligarchs as well.
It’s the main reason I keep shouting that we need to solve the oligarch issue first, then deal with the political party once we cut off their corrupt funding.
We need to help Progressives take over the Dem Party, and replace the party leadership. We can’t allow the next era of Dem power to be managed by Schmuck & Jeffries. They already had their chance, and literally EVERYTHING they’ve done has helped MAGA gain strength and regain power. They are at least 50% of the reason that MAGA took over again, and they’ve done less than nothing to earn the opportunity at a second chance.
It’s long past time to make huge changes, from top to bottom. We can’t allow another term like the Biden term. The next Democratic term has to show substantial progress on Democratic policies, and massive rollbacks on MAGA treason, as well as criminal punishment for MAGA treason, corruption, and pedophilia, or it will be the end of America.
See, this is where while I might nitpick on a couple of things, I’m in at least like 90% agreement, and certainly 100% agreement on the conclusion. It irks me when so many are like “I know what we need to do, but some of the progressives that could help solve this are supporting one thing I disagree with, so fuck it, I’m out”.
Because you are right - we’ve got to have progressives in charge. And it’s not because “my team win, I win”, it’s because they win for EVERYONE. Progressive policies work for everybody except fascists.
When the genocide wing keeps telling us that biden is the most progressive human to ever draw breath, you can imagine that progressives are wary about their movement being co-opted.
These are all basically the same thing and, yes, you can’t pass a bill in the Senate if you can’t get 60 votes
And you never need the senate to sell weapons for genocide.
Yes that’s correct, you don’t need the Senate’s permission to sell things
In this case, selling “things”, specifically weapons that were actively being used for genocide, is against the Leahy law.
Funny how any excuse will stop centrist democrats from helping workers, but actual law won’t stop them from their only goal in life.
Good thing that it’s not a genocide, according to the UN definition and the ICJ, or some people might really be in trouble
Even if the progressive wing somehow replaces the rightist corpo Dems, the ruling class would never allow us to democratically make the changes we all want to see without a fight. They will respond with fascism, so our communities must be organized enough to pose a bigger threat than what they can buy/foment.
if we were smart, we’d prosecute the centrists as accomplices. because they are.
Id prosecute the people who stood by and did nothing when the fascists raved about what they were going to do.
That includes non-voters.
“I’d prosecute anyone who wouldn’t vote for my genocidal fascist of choice”
Does that include ShitLibs who split the anti-Trump vote by voting for Kamala Harris, even though it was obvious she couldn’t win and Gloria La Riva was right there?
the ones that keep siding with israel, or taking thier money and the ones getting money from people like koch, thiel and others.
that’s a constant in both sides of your uniparty.
americans are dumb AF
also a supermajority dem had problems, they had too many DINOs in the party.
Hence the title:
We need to get the corporate centrists out and real progressives in!
They need a parade of constituents at their local and DC offices reiterating demands.
I pass my loser Democratic Congressman’s office often, and I think I’ll start visiting. This traitor just signed that ridiculous anti-socialist pledge, one of only a handful of STUPID Dems who thought they should cooperate with MAGA Propaganda. My first visit will be to let them know that I expect him to vocally condemn ALL MAGA bullshit of any kind, and to vote against ALL MAGA legislation.
Definitely someone who needs frequent reminders of who their employers are and what is important to them.
Lol I already said a year ago that even if they gain a supermajority, they’ll still somehow fail to successfully impeach Trump.
For the third time.
I got the notion of this a long time ago. I mean like Obama expanding the Patriot Act. Like thanks for doing what I voted for you not to do. The opposite of progress is Congress. And there’s a whole lot of Cons.
Trump has already been convicted for some serious crimes they need to actually sentence him.
Capone didn’t end up prison for a lot of the heinous shit he did. But he did end up in prison.
He was literally on his way to sentencing but the American people voted him into office and the supreme court said he can do anything and it’s legal. They’d have to make up some bs to get him in jail at this point but who cares. The Republicans will call foul play but they will do that even if you gave them everything so…
