• Peacepath@lemmy.world
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      10 days ago

      Thank you so much! The comments this thread are so depressing… it seems they don’t have what they would need to get outof politics based on hate

      • Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works
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        10 days ago

        Fo’ sheezy. If hate is the problem in US politics then any neutral outside observer can’t help but notice the hate runs both ways, viscerally. To me, I’d go further, they seem to be so wrapped up in labels they’ve forgotten their basic humanity.

        Edit before posting: Not all USians are consumed with hate - maybe just the vocal ones?

      • WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today
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        11 days ago

        its almost like you can tell both truth and lines within the same day!

        Would those be white lines? 'Cause that would 'splain a few things.

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    11 days ago

    While I understand the sentiment (and harbor it myself) this sort of “I’m rubbing your face in it” rhetoric does nothing constructive. It isn’t propaganda for would-be Trump cult survivors. It’s mere pandering to those on the right side of history by sneering at “the other”.

    If I saw a crack in any of my MAGA-cult relative’s façades or genuine walls I would leap at the opportunity to commiserate as an entry point to more reality-alignment discussion and see how far I could get.

    People must stop doing harm before being taken back in as comrades but they’re still human being who deserve, and must be allowed by society, the opportunity to improve themselves and their behavior.

    Disallowing that leads to much worse alternatives. Barring genuine sociopathy: we seek, and are often driven by, acceptance. It’s part of what soliciters of right-wing ideologies (e.g., manosphere) exploit, especially with young men, to convince them alignment with fascist theory as a way of life emotionally and sociopolitically must be within their best interest.

    But let’s even go so far as to discard empathy and sentiment for a moment. If we set our humanity aside and consider this strategically (transactionally) then I see this as an opportunity to potentially mitigate harm. I am going to seize that advantage. Even if I’ve lost hope for that particular cultist. Taking the time to be supportive of (what may only ever turn out to be) a lapse in otherwise perpetual cognitive misfire may divert their path from “worst outcome” to “unacceptable but not an active threat”. I cannot effectively work with material if I find the material revolting.

    I think even this colder perspective pushes us closer toward exercising empathy though. Because that’s the pit in my stomach that churned injustice into compulsion for radical action. The deep-seated stark truth that every feeling creature deserves respect and the opportunity to create safety together. That the promises of authoritarian rhetoric are a perversion of literal civilization.

    At possibly its most blunt and mundane: "I don’t want other people abusing me, and; if I think I am the same thing other people are then it’s not going to feel good, or be reasonable, for me to abuse others.

    Sneering is for snobs. The snobbish turn their nose at impure things because of, at least in part, their disgust of what’s stained them. Transposed onto persons directly that disgust reduces one or some of us to merely a point on which one may anchor one’s rage.

    I won’t do that. Both because it offers no advantage in advancing even triage to response, let alone treatment, and because I find it distasteful, at best, without effort.

    • starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works
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      10 days ago

      A lot of us are just tired of dealing with the actual children that compose 90% of maga, you give someone 900 warning signs and they say “lol funny angry liberals!!” You’re not sneering at them for being on the wrong side of history, you’re sneering at them for ignoring every single sign on purpose because they thought it wouldn’t affect them. It’s like people watching videos of auschwitz and then turning in their neighbor anyway to own the libs. I can see people not being willing to use kid gloves with them after that.

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        10 days ago

        If you’re tired of dealing with them, you don’t even need to express empathy as the gp post so eloquently described, just don’t throw it back in their faces if they show signs of breaking away, even a little bit. If you don’t have the energy to respond to them and try to expand that break, maybe someone else does, but if you are hostile you’ll just drive them back into the darkness and make them that much harder to ever pull away.

        None of this means you have to welcome them with open arms, or even forget what they’ve done. Just give them a space to be less awful than they were. As the gp post said, thinking strategically we need to break away as many supporters of maga as possible, but that doesn’t mean they immediately, or automatically, become allies.

  • Sparky@lemmy.today
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    9 days ago

    Meanwhile, Biden left the election campaign, after the assassination against his presidential elect competitor failed :D

  • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    11 days ago

    Every single republican voter has to have something bad happen to them personally before they’ll support the opposite. Every. Single. Fucking. Time. They’re incapable of thinking how it’ll affect them until it does. It’s really pathetic.

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      11 days ago

      Honestly I have to agree with this. My grandfather became the most solid democrat you could ever find, to the point where he actively participates in the election system during polling days and drives candidates around.

      He used to be a solid republican, but he got super burned with his retirement due to the dismantlement of the system back during I think it was the bush era(?).

      Honestly I wish he didn’t go so hard core though, like he went so far down the hole he uses MS Now as his news source which is basically Fox News but for the other direction :\

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    9 days ago

    He bragged about sexually assaulting women, and got elected, tried to overturn the next election with violence, stole a huge pile of documents, which was illegal, had multiple felonies, but got away with it all and elected again.


    Multi-count felon,

    Wasn’t even held in jail,

    Workers put in camps

    • Soup@lemmy.world
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      10 days ago

      Yea and no. If they haven’t actually learned anything then they will continue making the same mistakes and being the same problem. Conservatives should be radicalizing people and yet there are still hordes of centrists going “yea but maaaaaybe” and conservatives who are just mad at one particular guy but will forget it all right quick.

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      10 days ago

      Trying to be open minded and accept people who are willing to change their views here, but it is very, very hard not to be bitter.

      It’s also very hard to believe that people can change at all.

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    10 days ago

    It is not only true of the US in 2026, but it is also a rule for too many human beings, to begin to care only when shit is hitting their fan.

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    11 days ago

    Was it for hitler that someone said don’t believe him he’s telling the truth?