The musician started dating Australian model Helena Vestergaard in 2013, and they split after being together for approximately two years.
Before that, Kiedis, now 63, had a relationship with Heather Christie, who was 22 years his junior. When the pair welcomed their son, Everly Bear, in 2007, Kiedis was 44 and his partner was 21.
In the latest episode of My Therapist Ghosted Me, Williams and her co-host Joanne McNally discussed age-gap relationships, with the former I’m a Celebrity campmate saying: “Do you know who else I find really disappointing, because I really like the Red Hot Chili Peppers? Anthony Kiedis.”
Seemingly referring to his romance with Vestergaard, Williams continued: “He is like 54 or something, and he is going out with a 19-year-old. And it is like, ‘Dude, what are you talking about?’”
McNally replied: “I’ve seen this. I just accept now that most men, all men, are drawn to – I’m going to be very careful how I say this – significantly younger women. That’s all I’m going to say. It is what it is and I don’t think there’s any getting away from it. We judge it but it’s not going to change.”
“I would have to say that it is not all men,” Williams continued. “Because I do think it is a very specific thing.”
Addressing why younger women might decide to date older men, McNally added: “And of course, people like him [Anthony Kiedis] and rockstars like him can get away with it because no 19-year-old girl wants to be going out with some old lad who is driving a Toyota Corolla around town.
It’s not that I enjoy talking about these subjects - it’s that I don’t think they should be ignored or rug-swept as much as they are. It’s infuriating that people want to turn a blind eye to the rape and subjugation of others in our society. That’s how Epstein was able to move the way he did, that’s how rock stars are able to continue to rape children and everyone just shrugs and says it’s not a big deal, that’s how the rise of misogyny is enabled yet again these days.
You dug your heels in and became incredibly nasty yourself in here. Whether it was inadvertent or not, you were defending rapists by being so pedantic about the definition of rape. You almost sounded like someone who follows the streamer Destiny ffs. Pedophilia, ephebophilia, squabbling about the differences in rapists and their victims. That kind of argument is usually used to mask predators and how they operate. When adults are preying on vulnerable people in order to victimize them, to use them for their own selfish sexual wants, it is rape.
You’re right - Epstein did some next level nasty stuff to his victims. By your own admission, you don’t know Kiedis. Why are you defending him if you don’t know the true extent of his crimes? Isn’t it enough to be sour on him for knowingly raping a 14 year old?
I never defended him or any abusive people in this thread. My qualms have always been with your word-choice. Including labeling people as pedophiles or “pedophile defenders” as insults to dismiss them. It’s hurtful and harmful. It’s wrong to attack people like that and also to conflate “pedophile” with “child-predator” or “child-rapist”. I refuse to hate people for immutable traits like that.
Yet I see that on fedi every time I browse it. It’s been bothering me for weeks and today was the day I randomly decided to say something about it. Unlike my meme posts, I didn’t make a structured post about it. It’s hard to care what people think of me sometimes because I see so many of you as hateful to your core (at least that’s what comes across to me). I’ve spent lots of time trying to be thoughtful in my responses to people in various threads, trying to get people to understand that bodyshaming is unhelpful and not nice, while trying not to seem like the stereotype they’re bound to ignore. Ditto the topics discussed in my own threads about computer/tech stuff. I do tend to try to choose my words carefully and take my time responding to everything as thoughtfully as possible.
This thread was different, partially because I feel like I’m in the presence of people who should be more able to understand and be more likely to be agreeable than the one with the bodyshaming stuff, while knowing that it’s likely to feel like shouting at a wall. People follow the numbers, what they perceive to be majority opinions, and most people don’t care to rock the boat about things. My view of most people on this platform was already so low that I realized I lose nothing at all by saying whatever feels right in this moment. I’m kinda surprised anyone agreed with me at all, based on my own experiences and what I’ve seen of this place over the years.
I think you do. I think you like to be provocative with what you say and how you say it because you want to get a rise out of people and stoke conversations about it whenever possible. That is what I see of you in this thread. Nothing I say has mattered to you at all. We both have mentioned that we do not value each other’s opinions and yet you persist because you like to do so.
I don’t hate non-offending pedophiles ie people with desires for children that have never acted on them. That’s a difficult hand to be dealt and I hope that they get all of the help they actually need in order to never touch a child.
If that was the angle you were coming from, you did not make that clear at all.
Since you refuse to look at post histories, I know you’re just shooting from the hip here. Most of my posts see hardly any engagement at all, but I still post. I just also happen to be stubborn. It doesn’t help that I’m AUDhd as well so I come off very blunt sometimes.
I don’t believe that at all. Why else do you resort to using the term as an insult and conflating it with violence?
That “angle” wasn’t relevant until you started slinging it around as an insult.
I base my opinions of you from what I’ve seen of you in this thread and my faint memories of seeing you in a few other threads. I’ve already said this.
And wrong. You can’t expect me to believe that you don’t hate non-offending pedophiles in the same thread where calling me that was your first step into insult-comments rather than responding to the message being conveyed. You can’t take that back. Saying shit like ‘you’re a pedophile defender’ is like the people who say “you’re gay” (meant in a bad way) or who call everything they perceive as bad “gay”. That it’s in your insult-arsenal speaks to your character. This is definitely not the first time I’ve seen fedi users do this exact same thing. It’s just that I was active this time, instead of being a passive lurker.
Also WOW wtf. Are you the type to believe that the LGBT+ community should be opening our world to non-offending pedophiles?
Because we are talking about a pedophile who raped children. Kiedis.
If you are defending an offending pedophile, you have earned being called a pedophile defender. And there are people who defend pedophiles because they are one themselves.
I’ve actually got past comments that touch on this subject, but again, you don’t care.
From the comment explaining the guy and the event, (again, unless I’m misunderstanding) he did not initially know her age and did not assume that she was a minor. That does not seem to be a pedophile to me.
Idk what that means.
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/red-hot-chili-peppers-singer-anthony-kiedis-uncomfortable-truth/
This is who you are defending.
I’m not defending him. I’m discussing your views and the meanings of the words you use. You conflate things which are not the same and you definitely have misplaced hate.
I have past comments where I express support for non-offending pedophiles.
He said in his memoir that after he learned she was 14 years old, he “had sex” with her again.
Then they seem hollow with the other things you’ve said in this thread.
That doesn’t negate what I said, which involves his intentions.
He raped that 14 year old girl. Intentions don’t matter when you’re an adult taking advantage of a child.